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  #21  
Old April 30th, 2007, 02:46 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Roger Zoul
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wrote:
:: On Apr 29, 1:50 pm, "Carol J" wrote:
::: I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in
::: town, they are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as
::: little work as possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably
::: is that folks who reach their goal weight and/or are a year or so
::: out, I've noticed that they do one of two things........either they
::: start regaining their weight and they stop coming/posting to our
::: local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but they are
::: depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in
::: most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They
::: stopped being sure that they took in more protein than
::: carbs........and increased their bread/pasta intake. The bottom
::: line for alot of us is that we're just going to have to take the
::: time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating fresh, whatever we
::: intake.
::
:: I don't see how cooking it yourself has much to do with this.

I think for some preparing their foods from scratch is a form of mental
focus. In this sense, it's not the cooking per se by the focus on mental
energies on weight loss. IMO, those who can somehow find a way to stay
focused will have a better chance of success. With convenence foods, their
use can be the result of lack of focus. Those who use them will, IMO, need
some other way to keep focus in order to succeed.


You
:: could cook
:: a pot of mashed potatoes and eat those too. If you're just don't
:: give a damn and
:: choose to eat bread and pasta, that strongly suggest to me that the
:: problem has little to do with what LC or regular foods are available
:: and a lot to do
:: with personal responsibility.
::

Well, see, this is a point where you and I disagree. Personal reponsibility
is a broad bush to paint with. Many can be display remarkable "personal
responsibility" in their lives in ways other than their weight. What they
lack as far as weight control are certain innate abilities and also a desire
from within to not overeat and likely to exercise. Also, they may be so
driven in other activities that weight control falls to the rear. Put
simply, many overweight people just have a hard time putting mental energies
into weight control and they have bodies that make it even harder.


:: The simple fact is, it's well known that most dieters fail regardless
:: of what type of diet they are on.
::
:: And the other big assumption here is that everyone has the same LC
:: goals that you do.
:: How about someone who isn't seriously overweight and just has finally
:: bought into the idea
:: that a lot of carbs isn't good for you? So, they would rather buy a
:: LC version of a product
:: that they already buy, just trying to reduce their carb intake.
:: Should they be denied a LC or
:: reduced sugar product because someone else can't keep their hands off
:: it?
::
::
::
::
::
:: I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't
::: have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I
::: realized a couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If
::: it does then I'm in trouble. I think we do well to accept that
::: which we can not change.......
:::
::: --
::: Carol J
::: HW350/GW150/CW181.8
:::
::: "BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message
:::
::: ...
::: On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher
:::
::: These are good points, Aaron.
:::
::: Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb
::: bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this
::: wasn't necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the
::: working moms who wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality,
::: low-carb convenience foods"
::: to make their lives easier.
:::
::: These same people were posting six months later that they "tried
::: Atkins and it didn't work."
::: --
::: BlueBrooke
::: 255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007


  #22  
Old April 30th, 2007, 03:40 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Pat[_3_]
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Dreamfields and Mission Carb Balance tortillas are mainstays for me and I
wouldn't have know about them were it not for the "low carb" diet craze.

Pat in TX


  #23  
Old April 30th, 2007, 03:42 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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And the other big assumption here is that everyone has the same LC
goals that you do.
How about someone who isn't seriously overweight and just has finally
bought into the idea
that a lot of carbs isn't good for you? So, they would rather buy a
LC version of a product
that they already buy, just trying to reduce their carb intake.
Should they be denied a LC or
reduced sugar product because someone else can't keep their hands off
it?


I knew a woman who needed to lose 20 pounds. She had "heard" that with "low
carb" you could lose 50 pounds in 2 months. So, she figured she only needed
to "diet" for a single month and then she'd be through with dieting forever!

Pat in TX


  #24  
Old April 30th, 2007, 04:44 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
2Phat
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It was sarcasm.


wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 29, 6:34 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
You nailed it on the head! That's the entire point of the post.

"FOB" wrote in message

et...



So lazy people don't deserve dieting success? Seems to me that if you
have
products available that make it easier more people will succeed and
that's
a
good thing.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB
stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more
people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused.



  #25  
Old April 30th, 2007, 05:09 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
2Phat
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Go **** yourself. I mean unless opinions are the same and ideas are the
same no one can have a thought or an original thought without the obnoxious
opinions of people like yourself.

Kill file me I really do not give a **** as I've been around on ASD, helping
in defending LC against the attacks of Judith and her kind, when I first
learned of Low Carb and ASD-LC since it's inception, and I've never, I mean
NEVER, seen an influx of people this like before.

One is no longer allowed to express themselves. Dissenting opinion are no
longer discussed or debated, but immediately attacked and not tolerated and
the poster attacked for daring to have a non cultish idea and non conformist
thought in their brilliant brain. And god for bid, POST as they see fit!!!

My names over the years have been, Ovr Wait, 2Phat and always Dimpil aka
Desiree.

ASD-LC has turned into a dictatorship, so unlike it use to be. I guess
times have changed thus the support is gone with the old crew.

I bid a farewell to the tired useless dictators who feel the need to control
and censor topics, thoughts, posts and behaviors of those who dare to" be"
in the group.

Happy to see Rudy unaffected by the Castro's and Saddam's of the new ASD-LC.



"BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message
news
On 30 Apr 2007 05:32:42 -0700, Hollywood wrote:

On Apr 30, 7:55 am, "
wrote:


2Phat now agrees that the entire point of the original post was as FOB
stated, that having products available make it easier to do LC so more
people will succeed? Hmmm, now I'm confused.


I was done with 2Phat, but the quotes just come through.


She's like a train wreck -- you just can't look away. Who knows what
she will come up with next? This one, though, was pretty good. I
don't really have time to watch train wrecks anymore, though.

I think she was agreeing with lazy people don't deserve success.
Personally, I think lazy people are just like everyone else, only they
haven't found the right motivation yet. Let's say more environmental
than internal nature. Like criminality.


It's really hard to figure out what she's agreeing with -- but that
seems to be part of her posting style, and she likes it that way.
Soon, she'll have everyone in her killfile and everyone will have her
in their killfile and the peaceful atmosphere, such as it was, will
return -- LOL!!

[snip]

PS- Dreamfields is good for me, I understand where folks may suggest
that it's feeding my bad habits like eating pasta, and I am willing to
live with that. Just because I'm not committed to a completely paleo
lifestyle doesn't mean I'm not committed to better health and
weightloss.


I don't know if I'll be using Dreamfields later or not. I most
certainly can't use it now, but I have every intention of testing it
again in fifty pounds or so.

Comparing Dreamfields and regular spaghetti, BG-wise, they both have
their issues. But since my family eats what I eat at home, I'm not
going to send them off to the diner for spaghetti.

We've always used thin spaghetti or vermicelli, so when my son saw the
Dreamfield's spaghetti he was heartbroken. "Mom, that's the fat stuff
that's always mushy and nasty." Now he knows its that way because
it's just overcooked. LOL!!
--
BlueBrooke
255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007



  #26  
Old April 30th, 2007, 05:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Roger Zoul
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"2Phat" wrote in message
...

I bid a farewell to the tired useless dictators who feel the need to
control and censor topics, thoughts, posts and behaviors of those who dare
to" be" in the group.


You're such a drama queen. You're the one not willing to discuss the
topics. You don't like to be disagreed with, do you? You get upset, start
name calling & cursing, and turn on KF on. You're a hoot, girl!

If you'd take a chill pill, we could all get along!


  #27  
Old April 30th, 2007, 06:23 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 30, 8:46 am, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
wrote:

:: On Apr 29, 1:50 pm, "Carol J" wrote:
::: I know that folks in my weightloss surgery support group here in
::: town, they are forever searching for quick, easy solutions with as
::: little work as possible to "maintain" their weight loss. Probably
::: is that folks who reach their goal weight and/or are a year or so
::: out, I've noticed that they do one of two things........either they
::: start regaining their weight and they stop coming/posting to our
::: local group/yahoo group OR they do stick around but they are
::: depressed or asking for help. When we discuss it, we find that in
::: most cases it's because they were looking for the easy out. They
::: stopped being sure that they took in more protein than
::: carbs........and increased their bread/pasta intake. The bottom
::: line for alot of us is that we're just going to have to take the
::: time and feed ourselves by cooking or eating fresh, whatever we
::: intake.
::
:: I don't see how cooking it yourself has much to do with this.

I think for some preparing their foods from scratch is a form of mental
focus. In this sense, it's not the cooking per se by the focus on mental
energies on weight loss. IMO, those who can somehow find a way to stay
focused will have a better chance of success. With convenence foods, their
use can be the result of lack of focus. Those who use them will, IMO, need
some other way to keep focus in order to succeed.

You
:: could cook
:: a pot of mashed potatoes and eat those too. If you're just don't
:: give a damn and
:: choose to eat bread and pasta, that strongly suggest to me that the
:: problem has little to do with what LC or regular foods are available
:: and a lot to do
:: with personal responsibility.
::

Well, see, this is a point where you and I disagree. Personal reponsibility
is a broad bush to paint with. Many can be display remarkable "personal
responsibility" in their lives in ways other than their weight. What they
lack as far as weight control are certain innate abilities and also a desire
from within to not overeat and likely to exercise. Also, they may be so
driven in other activities that weight control falls to the rear. Put
simply, many overweight people just have a hard time putting mental energies
into weight control and they have bodies that make it even harder.


I don;t think there is really disagreement. I agree that there are
differing degrees
of "personal responsibility" and some things are harder than others.
And certainly
trying to stick to any diet and lose weight is tougher than say
avoiding transfat or
going boating without counting the life preservers.

What I think we both agree on is blaming the availibility of LC
products for the
crash of the LC craze of a few years ago doesn'[t make much sense.



:: The simple fact is, it's well known that most dieters fail regardless
:: of what type of diet they are on.
::
:: And the other big assumption here is that everyone has the same LC
:: goals that you do.
:: How about someone who isn't seriously overweight and just has finally
:: bought into the idea
:: that a lot of carbs isn't good for you? So, they would rather buy a
:: LC version of a product
:: that they already buy, just trying to reduce their carb intake.
:: Should they be denied a LC or
:: reduced sugar product because someone else can't keep their hands off
:: it?
::
::
::
::
::
:: I wish that at some point I'd get so I don't
::: have to put so much thought into what I eat/drink each day but I
::: realized a couple of months ago, that just ain't gonna happen. If
::: it does then I'm in trouble. I think we do well to accept that
::: which we can not change.......
:::
::: --
::: Carol J
::: HW350/GW150/CW181.8
:::::: "BlueBrooke" .@. wrote in message

:::
...
::: On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:41:37 -0500, Aaron Baugher
:::
::: These are good points, Aaron.
:::
::: Several years ago when manufacturers started jumping on the low-carb
::: bandwagon, we had a discussion on a mailing list about how this
::: wasn't necessarily a good thing. We were outnumbered by the
::: working moms who wanted "low cost, wholesome, high quality,
::: low-carb convenience foods"
::: to make their lives easier.
:::
::: These same people were posting six months later that they "tried
::: Atkins and it didn't work."
::: --
::: BlueBrooke
::: 255/250/135 -- 01 Jan 2007



  #28  
Old April 30th, 2007, 08:02 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
Hollywood
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On Apr 30, 12:09 pm, "2Phat" wrote:
Go **** yourself. I mean unless opinions are the same and ideas are the
same no one can have a thought or an original thought without the obnoxious
opinions of people like yourself.


There is a wide variety of opinion here. Just a lot of people happen
to think your attitude is off. And, your ability to discuss your views
without getting hot under the collar. I don't expect response. I think
you've said that you KF'd me several times already.

Kill file me I really do not give a **** as I've been around on ASD, helping
in defending LC against the attacks of Judith and her kind, when I first
learned of Low Carb and ASD-LC since it's inception, and I've never, I mean
NEVER, seen an influx of people this like before.


I decided I didn't need to KF you if you were gonna ignore me. Nice.
BTW: Support is more than saying, "You rock girl, keep it up." It's
about real, useful help. You've been given plenty of discussion on
your topics (quick summary: "LC replacement foods suck," "LC dieting
isn't fast enough," "What's wrong with losing very fast," and
"Pregnant hormone for weight loss: any experience?"). You've gotten a
TON of response with a lot of information on what people think. And
you've basically thrown a temper tantrum in the face of anyone who
disagrees with you. If that's support (specifically: you saying,
"you're all not losing fast enough. What's up with that?") in the old
school way, who wants that?

If you want the "Yeah, you're right. You Go Girl" kind of support,
jock straps come to mind. Or a Hallmark store.

One is no longer allowed to express themselves. Dissenting opinion are no
longer discussed or debated, but immediately attacked and not tolerated and
the poster attacked for daring to have a non cultish idea and non conformist
thought in their brilliant brain. And god for bid, POST as they see fit!!!


Uhm, you've expressed yourself at length. You have dissented with
pretty much everyone on here. If I didn't know better, I'd say you
aren't a dissenter, you are a contrarian.

Uhm, you are the one who brought injectable weight loss hormones
(cultish idea) to the table. It's hard to call conventional wisdom
(lose slowly, reduce intake, exercise more, cut processed products)
cultish. That's like calling the Catholic Church a cult. A billion
member strong cult.

Last thing on this: Being a non-conformist is not easy. It's not
designed that way. This is true in life and in usenet. If you want to
be a rebel, be prepared to have counter-revolutionaries knock in your
door and violate your civil rights. Not that that is what happened
here, but if you want to frame it with you as the victim, I suppose
you could use this framework. But no one likes a whiny bohemian. Not
even other whiny bohemians.

My names over the years have been, Ovr Wait, 2Phat and always Dimpil aka
Desiree.

ASD-LC has turned into a dictatorship, so unlike it use to be. I guess
times have changed thus the support is gone with the old crew.


Maybe an anarchic oligarchy. There's no single cop here. There are no
fewer than 5 people who you've gone off on for "violating your net
rights." And besides, no one ever stopped you from posting. No one
other than you. That's not very dictatorlike.

I bid a farewell to the tired useless dictators who feel the need to control
and censor topics, thoughts, posts and behaviors of those who dare to" be"
in the group.


Good bye and good luck. I hope you get everything you want (rapid
weight loss, optimum health, injectable hormones, etc) and prove
everyone who thinks you're a nutter wrong.

PS- I think you are probably a little cognitively lazy. This will not
serve you well. If you want success, you might look into it.

  #30  
Old April 30th, 2007, 09:07 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 30, 3:06 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
wrote:

:: What I think we both agree on is blaming the availibility of LC
:: products for the
:: crash of the LC craze of a few years ago doesn'[t make much sense.

Definitely.


So, to throw my $90K of education in:

Some folks made some bad projections at the consumer packaged goods
companies. They thought that LC was gonna replace low fat in a short
time frame. This is more likely to be a 20-30 year deal than a 2-3
year deal, though you can't blame them with the way the news media was
going in 2003.

If you're what we call an incumbent (a company with a dominant
position, like say Unilever or Nestle), you have resources to put out
to fight off entrants (think KETO or Atkins Nutritionals). You can
compete directly or you can buy them indirectly after the paradigm has
shifted. It's probably cheaper to compete. Or at least the game theory
works out better (If the paradigm shifts, you win all the marbles. If
it doesn't, you are out some funds, but you still own all the marbles.
If it's somewhere in between, you probably squeeze the entrant out of
the market, still hold the dominant position, and own the niche
position as well). The interesting thing to see will be the next
round.

I suspect that there are more people watching carbs now than in 2002.
More stuff about sugar being bad, less about fat, minus transfat. But,
if you think the big CPG companies got burned in 2003 (when the LC
bubble burst?) then they might be a little slow to reenter the market.
Remember, they have the products, they just aren't worth making with
the current market.

So, if you have some cool LC version of a packaged good, you might get
a bit of slack on entering the market and with a slick business plan,
you might even not over expand. I wonder, what happened to all those
KETO recipes? Surely, the market isn't completely dead.

 




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