Alarming Epidemic of Obesity

On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:22:24 +1000, Who_me?
wrote:

On 7/10/2011 5:41 AM, Dogman wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 01:42:59 +1000,
wrote:
[...]
He loathes America
and everything we stand for.

We? You are now the official US spokesperson?

Yeah, we. I represent the majority of Americans.

Did your alarm clock fail to go off? You appear to be dreaming.

Snip nonsense.

Yeah, you have to "snip the nonsense" because you have nothing to
refute it.

We just made the mistake of trying to save South Vietnam
from communist despots, engaging in a war that could
not be won for a variety of reasons.

No you didn't.

Yes, we did. That's why I was there.

I was there, but somehow I doubt that you were. You would have more
awareness if you had been.

I dropped out of college to serve my country. I was among the first
Marines (3rd MEB)to land in Da Nang. And no one as clueless as you
seem to be about the Vietnam War ever served in-country.

You're a ****ty little liar, from a ****ty little country.

The US Government made a point of publicising, heavily
and widely publicising the reason why they invaded Vietnam. It wasn't to
"save" South Vietnam. Do some research. Google the "Domino Theory".

For someone with a supposedly eidetic memory and member of Mensa,
you're an awfully stupid person.

Why? What I said is absolutely valid.

What you said is totally wrong. We went to Vietnam to "save" the South
from being overrun with commie pinkos like you.

In case you forgot (more likely, you never knew), the North (commies)
was attacking the South. With the help of China.

If you know anything at all about the Domino Theory, it was that once
communism got a foothold in Southeast Asia, other countries would fall
like "dominoes," i.e., other countries would be pressed into
communism. That's what we were fighting against. The spread of
communism. You can look it up.

Hang about, a post or so back you were claiming that America attacked
North Vietnam in order to save South Vietnam. Once I mention the Domino
theory you change your tune and ask me if "I" know anything about it.
You're losing it dim bulb.

You don't even know who you're responding to anymore, if you ever did.
Trader said that, and he was right. We attacked the North who were (at
the time) in the South, to SAVE the South from being overrun. To SAVE
them from communism. Thus, the Domino Theory.

"The domino theory was used by successive United States administrations
during the Cold War to clarify the need for American intervention around
the world."

It was a pretty good theory at the time. See: South Korea.

It was rubbish then and now. The US has no right to decide what type of
Government other countries have.

And we didn't. The South didn't want to become communist. They were
(and still are) ardent capitalists. And we supported their desire to
remain capitalists.

You know who the Vietnamese hate the most today? Yes, the French, from
that ****ty little country of France, for trying to colonialize them.

I've been back to Vietnam, and almost without exception, the folks in
the south still like Americans.

It is nice to see that you now accept
that America is a war-mongering nation

If you attack our friends, if you attempt to overthrow our friends, if
you attempt to spread communism, you're going to have to deal with us.

That's not "war-mongoring." That's DEFENDING FREEDOM.

- but you can stop trying to
justify its actions. There is no justification. They made no political
difference, they just killed a lot of people.

We killed a lot of commies. Which is always a "good thing."

Sometimes, as in the case of
South Korea, we win and the results have been freedom,
peace and prosperity for millions. Look at North Korea, where
millions are starving, subjugated, compared to Soth Korea which has a
booming economy and a high standard of living. Sometimes it doesn't
work. Thing is, guys like you always go to the times it
doesn't and try to use that against the USA. How about
when we saved your asses in WWII? Was that just
another unwarranted war?

You won the 2nd World War? Dream on. The US was a part of it, along with
all the allied countries.

Yes, and without the U.S., you'd be speaking German today.

Possibly, but that does not excuse all the instances when America, (just
like Germany) has attacked other countries simply because they don't
agree with their politics or religion etc.

We're against communism. If you try to spread communism by force,
you're going to have to deal with us. Again, it's called DEFENDING
FREEDOM. And that's a good thing, unless you're a freakin' commie.

In that instance the US was attacked - Pearl Harbour. It is one case
where it was justified, but this thread is about the times where America
has attacked another country without military provocation.


Iraq didn't attack the US, and it had no WMDs and the US lost that
one.

We defeated Saddam's regime in three freakin' weeks!

No you didn't, you simply change the type of warfare to one you couldn't
win.

We totally destroyed the regime in 3 weeks! 3 WEEKS! Then we got
sidetracked into "nation building." That was a mistake, but it was
done with the best of intentions.

And then we made
the mistake of playing footsie with them, instead of wiping them out.

So genocide was the answer. Careful, your jingoism is sowing.

What genocide??? They were attacking our troops! With the help of the
freakin' Iranians!

Iraq conducted an unprovoked invasion of Kuwait. As
part of their surrender in that war, Iraq agreed to disclose
fully their WMD programs, account for all weapons,
and give full access to the UN weapons inspectors.
In actuality they never complied with the weapons
inspections, nor did they fully account for their WMDs.

They didn't HAVE any you fool.

US, British, Israeli and Russian intelligence all believed
he had active WMD programs.

Absolute crap. The US Government claimed that it had evidence - but lied.

Read this:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Why? It doesn't support your stance, it supports mine.

It supports mine, because it showed how widely the intelligence was
known. Again, even your ****ty little country said that Saddam had
anthrax stockpiles ("The French government also believed that Saddam
had stockpiles of anthrax and botulism toxin, and the ability to
produce VX" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War).

Your ****ty little country also helped Saddam's henchmen leave Iraq
for Europe (On Tuesday, the Washington Times quoted U.S. officials as
saying that France had helped Saddam aides escape Syria. The newspaper
said France supplied passports to senior Iraqi officials to allow them
to travel to Europe.
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...px?ARTID=18317)

What a ****ty little country France is.

spit

Payback's gonna be a bitch.

And Trader is correct: the intelligence agencies of the U.S., British,
Israeli, plus those of Saudi Arabia and even your ****ty little
country of France (who said he had anthrax stockpiles, you can look it
up), and others, all agreed that he had WMDs. And the Wikileaks dump
proved that he actually had them.

Afghanistan didn't attack the US and the US is losing that one.

Actually, they most certainly did. They attacked the USA
by openly supporting Al-Qaeda and allowing them to have
terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

That is not an attack. Borrow a dictionary.

The Afghan government had in effect been taken over by the Taliban,
and the Taliban worked with Al Qaeda to plan the ATTACK on the World
Trade Center, etc.

And one doesn't need a dictionary to understand that, just a brain.

In that case you definitely need a dictionary.

See? Again, you can't refute the facts, so you just ignore them.

[...]
None of the countries that America has invaded has done do. Do you know
no history at all?

He obviously has a good grasp of history, unlike you.

That is funny. I quote accurate history, he makes nonsense claims.

Every single claim I've made is backed up by irrefutable sources.

Comic books are not irrefutable.

You're pathetic. As with typical lefties, facts mean absolutely
nothing to you. You spend all your energy trying to revise history,
not learning from it.

Yes. If they can't stand up for
themselves (the people who just want to be left alone to live their
lives in peace) by now, they never will. So it's time to come home.
We've killed most of the bad guys already, and we can always go back.

The US has killed tens of thousands of innocent people, women and
children, aged people among them. They have killed very few "bad guys"
by comparison.

Go ask the Iraqi people if they are happy to be free now
and if it was worth it.

They are suing the US Government for billions. Aren't you aware of that?
The are NOT happy with the rape of their country by the US.

No, the terrorists aren't very happy with us, but the people of Iraq
are.

Bull****. I lived there before the invasion and I went back last year.
America is despised and hated by everyone who I spoke to.

The only people who someone like you would know are Saddam loyalists,
and it figures that you both would hate us.

Before the
invasion Baghdad was a safe and pleasant city

Unbelievable! You sound like a Nazi trying to excuse Nazism (Hey,
Berlin was the cleanest city in Europe!), or like a Facsist trying to
excuse Fascism (Hey, the trains ran on time!). Unfortuantely, this
didn't include the Jews and others who were against tthe totalitarian
regimes. Baghdad was safe for Saddaam loyalists. Period. Everyone
else was subject to incarceration, rape, torture, and murder. He
gassed his own people in the North, and he murdered the Marsh Arabs in
the south, and destroyed their villages.

It figures, that someone from your ****ty little country would find
this excusable.

We've taken out the regime that was responsible for raping and
murdering its own citizens. Now it's up to them.

No, what you did was open the door to the Islamic radicals. They are
worse than Saddam.

It's pretty damn near impossible to be worse that Saddam.

[...]
Your own congress a few years ago was complaining about
the cost, the fact that the US was firing nearly 240,000 round for every
hit on an enemy combatant. Spray and pray your troops call it. Guess how
many rounds, the British, Australians, even the Japanese fired for each
hit? Google for it if you feel like cringing in embarrassment.

That's bull caca. You're confusing Vietnam with Iraq, but the count
was high in WWII. too. But what you don't mention is that this
includes all the TRAINING rounds fired.

No you dimwit, it was five or six years ago and related to expenditure
in Iraq.

Post proof or retract!

You are the embarrassment.

Oh no I'm not. I don't have a government that I like, but also I don't
have a government that I am ashamed of. I also don't have to feel
embarrassed by my country's military incompetence.

Incompetence, huh? I wonder what Saddam and Osama bin Laden would say
about that?

Well as it took a decade to get bin Laden, he would probably say "Thank
God the Americans are so incompetent."

It took 10 years, but he's dead, isn't he? And so are almost all of
his leutenants and underlings. Al Qaeda is a shell of its former self.

I wonder what the Iraqi military would say about that?

I don't know, whenever you mention American Military they won't stop
laughing for long enough to say anything.

You mean the few who survived?

France?

spit

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Dogman