Maximizing life expectancy/enjoyment

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

Proton Soup wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

DRS wrote:

Proton Soup wrote in message


[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.


Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

This is what we're talking about. I'm sure more studies will follow.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942


Retrospective questionnaire type studies brought us the information that
Vitamin E and C may prevent heart attacks. We now know better.

If cigarette smoke carcinogens are concentrated in prostatic fluids (as an
explanation for the cancer), the solution is to stop smoking instead of
masterbating.


Proton Soup

Here's a review about prostate cancer from a more reputable peer-reviewed
source:

http://tinyurl.com/q4kl

Since when is the British Journal of Urology International not a
reputable, peer-reviewed source?

And since when do things like "cigarette smoke carcinogens ... in
prostatic fluids" have as much effect on prostate cancer as DHT levels
and 5-alpha-reductase gene expression?

roger wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:


Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

And now for a dissenting opinion:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm

Roger

See my response to an earlier post in the same thread.

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com

In sci.med.nutrition DRS wrote or quoted:

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

? My sources say "priest's disease" - "non-specific prostatitis".
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In sci.med.nutrition Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote or quoted:
DRS wrote:

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

Are you assuming testosterone is the *only* risk factor?

That is unlikely to be the case.

However, I don't think prostate cancer /is/ known as the priest's disease ;-)
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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
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DRS wrote:

Proton Soup wrote in message


[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.


Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.


However, prostate cancers are more aggressive in patients who
have had lower testosterone levels. Or so goes the
clinical rumor.
PMID 11966629
PMID 12386917

If the testosterone levels
are elevated in respect to estrogen levels (please recall men
make some estrogen also......a comment for the lurkers),
the older male will be less apt to suffer from an enlarged
prostate. Don't read the Merck Proscar adverts as the
gospel.......anyway saw palmetto is the better choice.

Indeed, the high testosterone
association likely an instance of false correlation. If memory
serves me, blacks tend to have slightly higher levels of
testosterone but it is the dark skin and reduced vitamin
D status that yields the more aggressive prostate cancers.

And I suspect one poster is anti-masturbation and the
other is pro-masturbation. Both views represent biases and
(I suspect) each has its own supporting urban myth.

A cardiologist is not an endocrinologist ......
...tongue firmly in cheek.....William A. Noyes

"John M. Williams" wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

DRS wrote:

Proton Soup wrote in message


[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

Physicians should read the literature rather than speculating:


Physicians do that. Then they treat prostate cancer with anti-testosterone
drugs.

Fwiw, castrated men as a general rule do not get prostate cancer.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

"John M. Williams" wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

Proton Soup wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
wrote:

DRS wrote:

Proton Soup wrote in message


[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.


Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

This is what we're talking about. I'm sure more studies will follow.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942


Retrospective questionnaire type studies brought us the information that
Vitamin E and C may prevent heart attacks. We now know better.

If cigarette smoke carcinogens are concentrated in prostatic fluids (as an
explanation for the cancer), the solution is to stop smoking instead of
masterbating.


Proton Soup

Here's a review about prostate cancer from a more reputable peer-reviewed
source:

http://tinyurl.com/q4kl

Since when is the British Journal of Urology International not a
reputable, peer-reviewed source?


It actually isn't.


And since when do things like "cigarette smoke carcinogens ... in
prostatic fluids" have as much effect on prostate cancer as DHT levels
and 5-alpha-reductase gene expression?

Ask the author(s) of the newscientist.com article.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
"John M. Williams" wrote:
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

DRS wrote:

Proton Soup wrote:

[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

Physicians should read the literature rather than speculating:

Physicians do that. Then they treat prostate cancer with
anti-testosterone
drugs.

And what drugs might those be? I suspect you don't know what
you're talking about.

Fwiw, castrated men as a general rule do not get prostate cancer.

Neither do men with genetic 5alpha-reductase deficiency.

Tim Tyler wrote:

In sci.med.nutrition Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote or quoted:
DRS wrote:

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

Are you assuming testosterone is the *only* risk factor?


Is that what I have written?


That is unlikely to be the case.


Correct. However, we do treat prostate cancer with anti-testosterone drugs that achieve chemical
castration. Moreover, prostate cancer is virtually unheard of in castrated males.


However, I don't think prostate cancer /is/ known as the priest's disease ;-)


I know it isn't, writing as a physician.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
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DRS wrote:
Proton Soup wrote in message


[...]

Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.

Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
priest's disease? It's true.

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

I know doctors who disagree with you. RC priests are notoriously prone to
getting it.

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