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great post, Lee
Kate Dicey wrote in message ... Geoff wrote: "Miss Violette" wrote in message ... This makes me very sad to read this, if you had a cut that needed stitches you would pay someone to clean and sew you up, WW is a health provider as far as I am concerned. Rather than thinking of it as a weakness perhaps, you should see the strength in asking for, paying for and receiving the assistance you need to accomplish your goals, Lee Hello Lee. I agree with you in principle but I can't see what paying WW would do for me? I have asked people this before and they start being very cruel and arguing with me as if I'm trying to be difficult! I'm not doing that so PLEASE don't take me the wrong way or in an offensive way. I simply get a little put off at the thought of paying a company when the only extra thing they can give me that I don't already have access to (via my Mother who is a member) is a room to sit in with other people. That IS a huge benefit, I admit that, but I would like to see those people as friends (it is friends that I really need) and I wouldn't normally pay to make friends. I do still think it maybe worth my while though but at the moment I'm not going with that option. I am not actually that interested in following WW anymore than just using their points system anyway. I like the idea of their points system simply because it's helpful to be able to categorise food like that and also to have a target to work towards, and that is helping me at the moment. I think I would gain very little by paying WW though when my Mother is already a member. Geoff. One of the things I really like about the meetings I go to is the support: the helping hand along the way, the flow of ideas for new foods to try and the discussion of all the different things that work for the different people. There is also the psychological aspect of paying: it makes ME more determined to stay on program! And one of the best things about WW is that NOTHING is forbidden, no food is bad, and no-one condemns you for what you do. Everything has a points value, from cheese to chocolate, and YOU choose what to spend the points on. Every discarded pound is celebrated, and every gain mourned without blame. Strategies for getting back in the groove are suggested for the ones who stray, and altogether we have a serious giggle! Stop for a moment and turn the question round: rather than thinking 'What would going to the meetings do for me?', ask 'What is NOT going to meetings doing for me?' It isn't helping you to lose weight It isn't giving you the example of others to follow It isn't teaching you to re-educate your tastes and food habits It isn't helping you not to feel guilty about food It isn't teaching you about healthy options for eating out It isn't providing you with a helpline in times of need It isn't providing you with a pleasant social occasion to look forward to every week I'm sure you can think of a lot more. And yes, you CAN get some of these things in other ways, but it's great to get them all at once! -- Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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"Geoff" wrote in message
... "Nathalie W" wrote in message ... What about V8-juice ? It 's liquid vegetable... as are all kinds of soups, maybe you like them ? Spaghetti sauce made of pureed tomatoes, peppers, carrots etc. maybe mixed with some minced meat is really good and you don't notice you ' re having healthy veggies :-) Thanks Nathalie. I'm not sure I'd really want to try that. It sounds a bit...errrmmm...well not really something I'd like! The mince meat part sounds good though. Just a question (and I don't mean to sound snarky or mean, or anything, just curious), but how do you *know* you don't like something until you try it? Perhaps you could think of this phase in your life as an adventure, where you take your tastebuds out on a little journey. I know I intensly dislike mushrooms, but that's because occasionally I'll try one (generally on pizza ) just to make sure. The absolute worst that can happen is that you feel physically sick. I know that's not exactly plesant, but then at least you'll know for sure! Don't go into trying a new thing with a negative attitude either - you're guaranteed to fail, and I know that from experience! Sometimes I'll try something I don't usually like in an unusual form, and it's only then that I can truely judge whether I like it or not. Cover things up. Eat blindfolded! Investigate sauces that you like. As (I think) Kate said - learn to cook! It's amazing what you can do to some things to make them taste good. I wish you the best of luck. You sound like you're managing at the moment, but are scared to start expanding your horizons. Give it a go - you never know what new things are out there waiting for you -- Julie. 93.5/72.3/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/159.0/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here's our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html |
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I hope it helps me too, thanks.
Geoff. "Miss Violette" wrote in message ... I was not offended in the least. I am just kinda sad for you since you haven't gone. I read in another post that you are uncomfortable saying your weight, I was for a long time here and everyone supported me when I couldn't say it and they were great when I finally came clean. I hope you find what you need, I think this group might be some help to you, Lee |
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Geoff wrote:
------------------------------8---------------------------------------- 36 is what I'm working to at the moment. I am above 20 (and a man!) and although 36 is hard to stick to, I have almost managed it for over 2 weeks now (have gone a little over on some days). I figured that as I'm just about managing it, I won't try to find out if I can eat anymore than that. Maybe that isn't the best way to do things because I may not be getting enough, but I'm not a huge amount over 20 stone and I do feel like I'm eating enough really, however hard it is for me. I found that to start with I had real difficulty eating all the points! I was so keen to eat healthy low point stuff that I filled up on it and left no room for the energy and brain food stuff! Duh! And the sheer QUANTITY that my points represented could be daunting... Yeah I accept that, but I really do feel physically sick at eating some vegetables and although I haven't even tried many of them, I am scared to because of how I react to some of them. There is probably some deep reason why they make me feel physically sick but....well I don't know what to do. I feel that if I can eat my points without touching a vegitable then I'll stay away from them. Of course what I asked for is help with zero point foods, and I know full well that the majority of people will tell me 'vegitables'. So I'm a bit stuck. It sounds like you had a bad experience with one thing in the past somewhere (probably as a small child, and too long ago to trace!), and that put you off. It may be a texture thing: I hated fried eggs as a child because of the slimy texture of the white! I hated fatty meat for the same reason. Try changing the textures of foods: process the veggies to a pulp and use them in sauces, or try juicing them: not as good as the 'real thing' from the dietary point, but still better than no veggies! Zero point veggie soups can be pureed too, and that disguises all sorts of horrors! Fruits can also be mangled up nicely! Fruit smoothies made with zero fat Yoghurt are a great way to get a nice creamy couple of portions in, along with the daily milk allowance. ---------------------8------------------------------- I agree with you. I'm not saying that I don't like all vegitables without trying any though. I used to try things like beans and peas and I would honestly throw up if I wasn't careful. They really did make me sick because I found the taste sooo nasty-Especially peas! I know I need to try others but I guess I'm just scared stiff to. This I understand. My Little Sis was a veggie hater as a kid, and wouldn't eat most 'Sunday Dinner' vegetables. We ended up making coleslaw to go with her dinner, and feeding her the vegetables in soups! Nowadays she does eat vegetables, but far fewer varieties than either of her kids or her hubby! He likes dinner here and at my mum's because we always do LOTS of veggies! I once got her to eat two portions of my red cabbage and apple casserole (recipe below), and the whole family regarded it as a minor miracle! Do keep trying, and as I said elsewhere, try a little, and don't give up. Keep trying the same things done different ways, as something may just take your fancy... --------------------8----------------------------------------------- Good point, and that makes me realise that I do need to try different food even if I am coping without it at the moment. I know I can't stick at what I'm eating at the moment for the rest of my life. I would tell you what my daily food roughly is but to be honest, I'll only attract a lot of replies from people critisising it when I already know it's stupid. Email me then! The address above works. Most people won't criticism, except in a constructive way. We know you know your eating habits are not good, and we know and admire your efforts to change. Most folk here will do their best to help you rather than slap you down. ------------------------------8------------------------------------- I could eat 5 bananas a day if I really had to but that would swallow up a lot of my pounts-7.5 to be exact, as I'm sure you know (I'm just proof reading this now and I know you don't agree with the 1.5 points and I've mentioned that later). Doesn't sound that bad actually. I know that I shouldn't just stick to bananas though and I wouldn't want to. I can eat apples too, although I don't like them very much. It isn't the taste I don't like but they are just hard to eat! I'll eat them if I have to though. I like some other fruits such as grapes, and someone else suggested them as a low points fruit. If you ate 5 bananas a day, you'd not be short of potassium! (I was after a bout of gall bladder disease, and 5 bananas a day would have been WONDERFUL compared to the poisonous tasting concoction they made me swallow! BLEARGH!) It definitely sounds like a texture thing to me, possibly related to a choking incident as a child (my son went off ice cream for a week or two after one of those!). Frozen grapes are a wonderful thing in the heat of the summer, and you cannot eat them fast! Grapes are 1 point for 100g. You mentioned fiber that you get from vegitables and fruit. How about if I get it from cereal? I know that a lot of cereal has fiber in. I don't know how much compared to what I need for the day but I have maybe 2 bowls of cereal a day as part of my current 'plan'. Fibre from cereals tends to be more processed than raw vegetable fibre, and sometimes you need to watch it a bit... Shredded Wheat is good, even if it is a bit like eating Brillo pads! Porridge is good as oat bran is soluble and less likely to irritate the gut than wheat bran. Any high fibre version of bread and the like is better than the white sort, but personally i draw the line at pasta! Whole wheat pasta has a texture that I find loathly, and it tastes like cardboard! In some way I know I'm very lucky, because I LOVE all the high fibre stuff (except pasta!), and most fresh fruit and vegetables. About the only vegetables I don't like are broad beans and okra! -------------------------------8------------------------------------------ I was going by one of the WW lists that I THINK says a 'medium' banana is 1.5 points. What do you think? Is that not correct or (like most things!) is it too Americanised? Do they have larger bananas in America or something? We do get bigger bananas here, and they have to be pointed higher... q 100g (peeled weight) banana is 1.5 points. ------------------------------8----------------------------------------- I would peel the apples anyway because the part I don't like about them is the skin! I just need to practise my non-existant peeling skills! Peel pears as well: I don't like pear skin texture much. -------------------8--------------------------------------------- Is apples and bananas ok? Yummy! I can't eat carrots....yet anyway. I do actually drink a lot of water and when I'm hungry it does help. I love water with tons of ice in and that does really help me. I also drink a lot of diet coke. I know some people say that isn't good for me but it's zero points, so when I'm as desperate as I am to lose a lot of weight, I'll get the weight off first and then worry about what's not good for me. I dislike Coke in all its forms, so it's never an issue with me. -----------------------8-------------------------------------------------- Someone needs to dare me to try a carrot I think! Such a scary thought. OK, I dare you! Slice it thin or grate it, and eat a little at a time. Don't worry if it makes you gag a bit to start with - you need to train yourself out of that learned reaction. And try just chewing the first couple of mouthfuls, for the taste and texture. If you know you don't have to swallow them, you can explore the other side of carrots without the pressure. Once you get used to the taste and texture, try swallowing a little. Take it nice and slow, and don't let the gag reaction scare you off. You can tell I was a teacher in a former life, can't you! ----------------------------8---------------------------------- If they were a tasteless mush that would be better to be honest. Thanks for the recipe idea Kate. I don't know how I can eat all that stuff at the moment but I DO want to be able to, I really do. I don't know how to make myself like vegitables though. Slowly! Try a little of something different every day. And keep trying lots of things. You may never come to love vegetables the way I do, but you may eventually find a variety you can eat comfortably. This will be a HUGE victory for you, and we will cheer madly at every success. Failures will be met with 'Never mind, at least you tried' and 'try this instead'. Think of it as an adventurous journey, full of challenges and new experiences. -------------------------------8---------------------------------------- I will try, but it is tough. I've never managed to lose much weight in the past and a big part of me thinks I won't manage this time either. I know that isn't the way to think but I can't help that. This is why I need support, but I need 'real' support from friends who really care. I don't have any local friends though so I'm a bit stuck. I know I can get support in some places like this group, but even then SOME people tend to criticise rather than help. Some have the attitude, "Why do you think this? Why do you do that?" and are harsh about it, rather than trying to understand and help me, so then I just get wound up and soon give up totally. This is why I think that it might be worth trying the meetings: real live real world support from people on the same journey you are on, who can help you with the hard parts and cheer the good days. I also want you to ask yourself why you feel the way you do, and do what you do: it helps you to realize what your motives are, and that is a step on the way to changing them. No-one will condemn you for the past, but in order to change the future, you need to know WHAT went wrong and WHY. This will help you to avoid making the same errors of judgment and choice now and in the future. Yes is will sometimes be painful, yes it will be difficult, and yes some days you will blow it! If it was easy, you and I would both be slim and fit tomorrow! As it is, tomorrow we will both look much the same as today, BUT six months from now we will both be in smaller trousers and able to walk further and quicker than we can now, and ten years from now we will both be alive and well, not dying of a weight related condition. Thanks again for your long post, it's been helpful. Geoff. You are very welcome. Remember, learning the discipline will be as hard as learning to love carrots, but it CAN be done! Good luck! -- Kate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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I DOUBLE DARE you! *grin*
Carrots are lurvely. Honest......... -- krys UK 157/128.4/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 ....going down?... "Geoff" wrote in message ... "Kate Dicey" wrote in message ... Hi Kate. Thanks for your nice long post. I'll go through it bit by bit... If you are above the top weights in the charts, see if your mum can find out through WW what your points SHOULD be. I know it will mean eating more to start with, but you need a certain amount to keep working while you work on the excess. Here in the UK if you are more than 20 stone or 280 lbs and a man, you get 36 points, plus whatever bonus points you earn through exercise. 36 is what I'm working to at the moment. I am above 20 (and a man!) and although 36 is hard to stick to, I have almost managed it for over 2 weeks now (have gone a little over on some days). I figured that as I'm just about managing it, I won't try to find out if I can eat anymore than that. Maybe that isn't the best way to do things because I may not be getting enough, but I'm not a huge amount over 20 stone and I do feel like I'm eating enough really, however hard it is for me. My main problem, as with all previous diets, is that I barely like any food that's good for me. That isn't by choice of course, it's just the way I am and I can't do anything about it. Yes you can! One of the significant things about like and dislikes in food is that MOST of them are LEARNED responses! Yeah I accept that, but I really do feel physically sick at eating some vegetables and although I haven't even tried many of them, I am scared to because of how I react to some of them. There is probably some deep reason why they make me feel physically sick but....well I don't know what to do. I feel that if I can eat my points without touching a vegitable then I'll stay away from them. Of course what I asked for is help with zero point foods, and I know full well that the majority of people will tell me 'vegitables'. So I'm a bit stuck. There are very few programmed in flavours that are natural and instant dislikes. One of the things that is quite noticeable is that in families where a LOT of fresh foods and vegetables are eaten, the kids LIKE things like Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, courgettes, onions and whatever, and in families where this is NOT encouraged from an early age (as in under a year old!), the kids profess to dislike them even before trying them! I agree with you. I'm not saying that I don't like all vegitables without trying any though. I used to try things like beans and peas and I would honestly throw up if I wasn't careful. They really did make me sick because I found the taste sooo nasty-Especially peas! I know I need to try others but I guess I'm just scared stiff to. And stop thinking of it as a diet! It's a healthy eating plan FOR LIFE! And like all major life changes, it takes time to work into and get right. Good point, and that makes me realise that I do need to try different food even if I am coping without it at the moment. I know I can't stick at what I'm eating at the moment for the rest of my life. I would tell you what my daily food roughly is but to be honest, I'll only attract a lot of replies from people critisising it when I already know it's stupid. Potatoes count as a starch in the Great Plan, not a vegetable. They are in the same bracket as rice, bread, pasta, and the like. For the sake of your health, you need to include AT LEAST 5 portions of fruit and vegetables per day. I could eat 5 bananas a day if I really had to but that would swallow up a lot of my pounts-7.5 to be exact, as I'm sure you know (I'm just proof reading this now and I know you don't agree with the 1.5 points and I've mentioned that later). Doesn't sound that bad actually. I know that I shouldn't just stick to bananas though and I wouldn't want to. I can eat apples too, although I don't like them very much. It isn't the taste I don't like but they are just hard to eat! I'll eat them if I have to though. I like some other fruits such as grapes, and someone else suggested them as a low points fruit. You mentioned fiber that you get from vegitables and fruit. How about if I get it from cereal? I know that a lot of cereal has fiber in. I don't know how much compared to what I need for the day but I have maybe 2 bowls of cereal a day as part of my current 'plan'. I can eat some fruit but it seems I only like the fruit with higher points. The main fruit I'll eat is bananas but at 1.5 points that isn't something I can eat 10 of without it affecting my diet. The must be VERY big bananas! A small (80g without skin) banana is 1 point here in the UK. I was going by one of the WW lists that I THINK says a 'medium' banana is 1.5 points. What do you think? Is that not correct or (like most things!) is it too Americanised? Do they have larger bananas in America or something? Apples are only half a point each, and there are LOTS of different varieties about. Try different varieties and see what you can find. I definately will, thank you. Peel fruit and chop it up: takes longer to prepare and eat that way! I would peel the apples anyway because the part I don't like about them is the skin! I just need to practise my non-existant peeling skills! Mix a higher point fruit with a lower point one: a cocktail of apples and orange, or kiwi fruit and pear, for example. Is apples and bananas ok? Have you tried having a drink instead? Quite often the body gets confused and asks for food when it's really dehydrated. Have a glass of water and wait. If you are still hungry after 20 minutes, eat a raw carrot! I can't eat carrots....yet anyway. I do actually drink a lot of water and when I'm hungry it does help. I love water with tons of ice in and that does really help me. I also drink a lot of diet coke. I know some people say that isn't good for me but it's zero points, so when I'm as desperate as I am to lose a lot of weight, I'll get the weight off first and then worry about what's not good for me. Carrots are quite a good one. If you chop them in slices and eat them like chips, they taste sweeter and last longer. Swede and carrots grated take AGES to eat, so make you feel fuller, and they taste sweeter than when whole or boiled. Someone needs to dare me to try a carrot I think! Such a scary thought. There aren't any really good 'mad munchies' foods that are not vegetables. I'm going to suggest something here that I want you to think about really seriously: learn to cook! NOT just to throw a few simple dishes together, but really learn to prepare and cook vegetables. Get a WW vegetarian cookbook, and try lots of different things in different combinations. If you don't like the 'two veg' of meat and two veg dinners, ask yourself why. Do you dislike carrots and broccoli because they are cooked to a tasteless mush? If they were a tasteless mush that would be better to be honest. Thanks for the recipe idea Kate. I don't know how I can eat all that stuff at the moment but I DO want to be able to, I really do. I don't know how to make myself like vegitables though. The last thing I can do is say KEEP TRYING! New tastes take a while to develop, so don't give up, and try a little at a time. I will try, but it is tough. I've never managed to lose much weight in the past and a big part of me thinks I won't manage this time either. I know that isn't the way to think but I can't help that. This is why I need support, but I need 'real' support from friends who really care. I don't have any local friends though so I'm a bit stuck. I know I can get support in some places like this group, but even then SOME people tend to criticise rather than help. Some have the attitude, "Why do you think this? Why do you do that?" and are harsh about it, rather than trying to understand and help me, so then I just get wound up and soon give up totally. Thanks again for your long post, it's been helpful. Geoff. |
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Geoff,
I'm going to weigh in (Hah. I made a pun) here and give you my two cents worth. Warning, it'll be long and rambly. I'm just in that kind of mood today. 1. Even though it may not be one, I count potatoes as vegtables. I don't eat them that often, and I figure it doesn't hurt in the long run. Plus, you might want to try sweet potatoes. I've heard they are one of the most nutritious things you can eat. 2. There is never a good time to diet. You'll always find excuses why you don't wanna. But it sounds like you have come to the realization that we all came to here - if you're going to do it, then by god, just do it. Somewhere along the line I just got fed up with being fat and tired and so unhappy that it was time to do something else. I was finally ready. Looks like you are at that point now. Good for you. It's going to seem like an impossible task at times, but you have to keep chipping away at it, and sooner, rather than later - it WILL start to get easier. Remember, progress not perfection. 3. It may sound like a lot of the advice you have gotten here has been a bit harsh. What you have to remember is that everyone here that has had any smidge of success at weight loss has been right where you are right now. If it sounds like you are being fussed at, it's only because the excuses that you are putting out are ones that everyone here has said to themselves at one point or another. A lot of people have managed to work through their issues with food and weight loss and they are only trying to impart some of the wisdom they have learned in their own journey. Take only what you need and leave the rest. 4. As many others have said, there is no magical wonderful delicious food that has zero points. The zero point ones pretty much all fall into the vegetable category. There are some very high fiber cereals that can come out to be .5 points per serving. If there were some wonderful no-point food that tasted great then I never would have gotten in the shape I did. Doesn't seem fair, does it? 5. This is the most important point I will make in my long ramble here. If you've skimmed the rest of it, pay attention here. Don't try to do it all at once. Pick a couple of things to work on, and focus on them. If eating vegetables is such a big issue to you (and it sounds like it is), just forget about that 5-a-day recommendation for now. Deal with it later. Focus your engergies on eating your points target instead. Don't worry so much about where you are getting your points from, or if it's particularly nutritious - just eat the points you are allowed. Once you get that point-thing down pat, then you can work on something else. Maybe pick drinking water or exercising as your next goal to work on. My point is that you don't have to cause yourself unecessary grief because you feel like you aren't doing everything exactly the "Weight Watchers" way. Pick small attainable goals (eating your points, drinking your water) and when you get one of them down then pick another. I found my weight loss journey to be much easier when I gave myself a freakin' break. Exercise happened to be my thing that I just didn't want to do. So, for a long time, I just didn't do it. But, as the journey wore on, and I started feeling better, and I began to realize that I lost MORE weight when I exercised, I worked at finding an activity that I didn't mind doing. I won't lie to you, it won't be an easy journey. The easy journey got you to where you are now, and obviously you are not happy with those results. I know I wasn't. This will be work. This will be a conscious effort on your part to do SOMETHING DIFFERENT from what you were doing before. What I've discovered, though, is that "something different" does not equate to "something bad". It's just different, and the more you do it the easier it gets. And, eventually, you may find that you really like some of the changes you've made. You may develop a taste for vegetables, and will wonder why in the heck you used to dislike them so much. Good luck - and don't give up. Lord knows if I can do it, anyone can. Tracy 225/155/154 Goal 5/7/04 Unfortunately I don't like salsa. I keep seeing pineapple mention actually and I'm not honestly sure if I like that or not, so I will get one and try, so thanks for the suggestion. I wouldn't have said potatoes were veggies either but it's just something I've heard in the past. As you say, maybe it isn't a good time to try and diet but to be honest I don't know when in the last 3 years would be a good time, so I'm doing it now and have managed for over 2 weeks now. I know that isn't long but it's not bad considering my past record and keeping up diets so I'm quite pleased with myself so far. Cheers Fred, Geoff. |
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"T. Lists" wrote in message
om... Geoff, I'm going to weigh in (Hah. I made a pun) here and give you my two cents worth. Warning, it'll be long and rambly. I'm just in that kind of mood today. snip Hi Tracy and thanks for writing all that out for me. I have read it all and taken it all in and the best thing you wrote was point number 5. You summed up nicely how I feel at the moment. I know people are trying to help but I can't be expected to do it all at once, and when I'm bombarded with 'you must do this' and 'you must do that', it kinda gets to me and actually makes me feel like giving up, because I just can't do it all. I found in a chat room recently that was supposed to be about weight loss support, that the people were on such high horses about it that all they did was complain at me for not liking certain food and for feeling like I couldn't manage it. They simply made me feel like not doing this at all. I have already sorted out my water intake, but to be honest that's never been a problem. I love ice cold water and always have, but I am making more of a point to drink a lot of it lately. I agree with you that the most important thing is to stick to my points and worry about what I'm actually eating later. I never really intended to do things "the WW way". I just think their points system is helpful because it gives me a target. I could always count calories or something else but I know the points system is better. It's the target thing that is really helpful for me. There are lots of things I don't agree with about WW but I won't get into it in this group because I know I'll upset people and the last thing I want or need is an argument. Thanks again Tracy. I'll try and stick to this but of course it isn't easy. Geoff. |
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"Miss Violette" wrote in message
... first tell us how much you actually do weigh so we can give you the right points, that is most important, and you will see that if you have been reading here long at all, second you must decide what you are willing to do to lose, and WW limits no particular food category. Third, try Popcorn, for a low point filler, and last, welcome, Lee Thanks for the welcome Lee. I don't want to tell you all my weight though. Please understand. Geoff. |
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"JulieB" wrote in message
... Just a question (and I don't mean to sound snarky or mean, or anything, just curious), but how do you *know* you don't like something until you try it? Like you, I don't wish to be sarky or mean but just to help you understand, I'll ask this...How do you know you don't like dirt from your garden? You don't really know and I don't really know about some vegetables. I do accept that I need to try some though, and I will work towards that someday. At the moment though I'm struggling enough with other aspects of losing weight and also other things going on in my life at the moment. I wish you the best of luck. You sound like you're managing at the moment, but are scared to start expanding your horizons. Give it a go - you never know what new things are out there waiting for you I am just about managing, yes. It is very hard though. However right now I actually don't even want to eat because of the stress my girlfriend has put me under lately! I guess I'll be thanking her in a few months time. Thanks Julie, Geoff. |
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"Kate Dicey" wrote in message
... Try minced turkey or chicken: lower fat and lower point than beef. Also learn the dry-fry technique! I always dry fry or better still don't fry at all. I also love chicken more than mince, so I'm doing ok there. Geoff. |
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"Food for Fuel" vs. "Food is LOVE & Food is FUN" | vlcd_hell | General Discussion | 14 | February 15th, 2004 03:15 PM |
How to Spend 28 points a day | Glenn B. | Weightwatchers | 15 | January 14th, 2004 04:40 AM |
New Target of the Food Police (CSPI) | jmk | General Discussion | 74 | December 24th, 2003 01:40 AM |