Invitation to discuss low-calorie approaches to weight-loss on alt.support.diet.low-calorie

On Feb 5, 10:30 am, "Jeri" wrote:
teachrmama wrote:

snip

Why are you so upset about something so minor? You are making
yourself look like a control freak. Just ignore the threads you do
not want to participate in. That's what I do.

I'm not going to suggest that you not discuss whatever you wish with Caleb.
I do wish you would take him up on his invite though.

Here are a few facts about all this. Maybe you'll see that it's not so
"minor" afterall.

Year after year Caleb comes back to ASD with the same 100 day diet plan. He
adopts an unbalanced low calorie diet and rigorous exercise plan so he can
lose as much weight as possible in 100 days. He then disappears until the
next year when he starts all over again.

The first year almost everyone tried to have a civil discussion with him
about the unhealthy way in which he was trying to lose weight.
The fact that finding a way of eating
that he could live with and follow for the rest of his life was so much
healthier in the long run, etc etc. He ignored everyone and for 100 days the
newsgroup basically degenerated into Caleb's group. Then he disappeared.

Now every year he comes back and finds one or two new people who will
support him and think they can be the one to set him on the path to a more
healthy way to lose weight and keep it off. And they rail against the
unsupportive attitude of everyone else. The fact is, he doesn't want to
discuss anything. He wants attention, any attention, even if it's negative
and he knows exactly which buttons to push to get it.

Why do you think he posted here? He has his own newsgroup that he set up.
Here's a hint. For 30+ days he's been posting his "progress" over on
asd.low-calorie and he wasn't getting the attention he wanted. Ask yourself
this..... if he really wanted to enter into a discussion why didn't he reply
to you when you asked him a question over there?

What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of
getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted
here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that
eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving
herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished
congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that
kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants.
--
Jeri


OMG...that's horrible.

I hope the person defending him soon realizes who they are
defending.....

"Jeri" wrote in message news:45c777bf$0$1434

What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of
getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted
here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that
eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving
herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just
finished
congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with
that
kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants.
--�
Jeri

Oh ****. Here is a "clinical psychologist" encouraging a person with an
eating disorder to starve herself.

On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote:

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you say
that?

For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to
last
100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to
eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all
back
again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again.
it's
why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert
his
methods to sustainable.

So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned
again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all
back.
You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake
below
some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can
no
longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss
plan
that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a
maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying
a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the
losing?

So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the
most unkindest cut of all!"

Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we
interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to
maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The
Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.")

So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend
for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all
the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have?

Not very humane to do so.

Caleb

On Feb 5, 11:08 am, "determined" wrote:
"Jeri" wrote in message news:45c777bf$0$1434

What's really sad is that he doesn't care who he hurts in the process of
getting what he wants. Remember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted
here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that
eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving
herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just
finished
congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with
that
kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants.
--
Jeri

Oh ****. Here is a "clinical psychologist" encouraging a person with an
eating disorder to starve herself.

Why don't you look at what I just posted when she told me her goals?

Caleb

"Caleb" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote:

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you
say
that?

For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to
last
100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to
eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all
back
again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again.
it's
why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert
his
methods to sustainable.

So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned
again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all
back.
You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake
below
some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can
no
longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss
plan
that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a
maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying
a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the
losing?

So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the
most unkindest cut of all!"

Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we
interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to
maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The
Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.")

So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend
for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all
the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have?

Not very humane to do so.

Caleb

But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and execution
here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and
really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the
same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then
there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some
success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of eating
disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not
equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures.
--
the volleyballchick

On Feb 5, 11:28 am, "Nunya B." wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote:

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you
say
that?

For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to
last
100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to
eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all
back
again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again.
it's
why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert
his
methods to sustainable.

So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned
again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all
back.
You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake
below
some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can
no
longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss
plan
that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a
maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying
a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the
losing?

So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the
most unkindest cut of all!"

Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we
interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to
maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The
Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.")

So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend
for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all
the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have?

Not very humane to do so.

Caleb

But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and execution
here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and
really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the
same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then
there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some
success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of eating
disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not
equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures.
--
the volleyballchick


I don't have a victrim mentality. I know basic arithmetic and I know
that I have eaten more food than I should and that's why I put on
weight. It's not rocket science.

But I was responding specifically to what Doug wrote: "So yes, he does
in fact plan to gain the weight back again."

And actually, overeating can lead to additional asthma attacks in some
people, certainly sleep apnea, congestive heart failoure, other
pulmonary difficulties, cancer, diabetes, strokes, etc, etc., etc. And
so if people regain their weight (perhaps by frequenting McDonald's on
a meal by meal basis) and develop hypertension again, should we assume
that they do "in fact plan to gain the weight back again"? I don't
think so.

But we can certainly accuse them of doing so, as too many people have
done over the years.

Yours,

Caleb

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:30:37 -0500, "Jeri"
wrote:

emember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted
here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that
eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving
herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished
congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that
kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants.

Gee, that's a shame. I don't read that group, but I'm awfully sorry
to hear that Jenny is getting encouragement in her eating disorder.
She really needs professional help.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

On Feb 5, 11:46 am, Chris Braun wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:30:37 -0500, "Jeri"
wrote:

emember Jenny with the eating disorder who posted
here for awhile? So many people tried so hard to get her to realize that
eating healthy at this point in her life was more important than starving
herself to reach 95 lbs. Well she's over there now. Caleb has just finished
congratulating her on her 703 calorie day and has assured her that with that
kind of calorie deficit she's sure to lose the weight she wants.

Gee, that's a shame. I don't read that group, but I'm awfully sorry
to hear that Jenny is getting encouragement in her eating disorder.
She really needs professional help.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004


Chris -- Why don't you read what I wrote to her on the other list, as
soon as I found out what her goals were.

Yours,

Caleb

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On Feb 4, 6:43 pm, "LFM" wrote:
"Patricia Heil" wrote in message

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Who was it said that the definition of stupidity is doing something,
getting a bad result, and doing the same thing expecting it to come out
differently? Sound like anybody we know?

That would be the definition of Insanity. And yes, that same definition
has
been posted to Caleb every year he tries this. As a clinical
psychologist,
you'd think he'd know the definition of insanity.

LFM -- I know what has worked for me in the past and it will work for
me again in the future.

Caleb


Correction Caleb, you know what has FAILED for you in the past, and you will
continue to do it again and again, because you are clincally insane.

"Caleb" wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 11:28 am, "Nunya B." wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

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On Feb 5, 10:24 am, "Doug Freyburger" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote:

You really don't get it, do you? Caleb's not stumbling. He
*deliberately* loses and regains weight. Wake the hell up and pay
attention to what people are telling you.

You honestly think he *deliberately* regains weight? What makes you
say
that?

For several years in a row he has planned in advance for his diet to
last
100 days and then quit. Simple cause and effect says if we go back to
eating the way that got us fat in the first place then we gain it all
back
again. So yes, he does in fact plan to gain the weight back again.
it's
why folks have issues with Caleb - He resists advice to try to convert
his
methods to sustainable.

So Caleb, What is your maintenance plan this time? You have learned
again and again that planning to quit equals planning to gain it all
back.
You have learned again and again that reducing your caloric intake
below
some point leads to your body requiring a refeed to the point you can
no
longer resist the urge. Are you this time following a milder loss
plan
that is slower to not trigger this refeed mandate? Do you have a
maintenance phase planned out in advance? If not, why are you trying
a fad diet again and again? If you gain it back of what use was the
losing?

So, Doug, you too misinterpret my motivations? Jeez! "This was the
most unkindest cut of all!"

Just kidding -- I don't remember your posts from before but perhaps we
interacted. You can see what I told Teachrmama about trying to
maintain weight loss in the future. (See my reaction above to "The
Queen" for more about whether I intentionally "rall off the wagon.")

So if something unfortunate happens to people repeatedly, they intend
for it to happen? Like asthma attacks? Seizures? Should we blame all
the victims and tell them they deserve whatever maladies they have?

Not very humane to do so.

Caleb

But you're not a victim of anything except for poor planning and
execution
here. If you don't get over the victim mentality, you can't succeed and
really, you ought to know that. Overeating on a regular basis is not the
same as an asthma attack. If you suffer from binge eating disorder then
there are methods of treatment (mostly cognitive) that can provide some
success. What you do to yourself year after year may be some type of
eating
disorder (some bizzare form of binge/purge maybe), but it's certainly not
equivalent to a disease like asthma or seizures.
--
the volleyballchick


I don't have a victrim mentality. I know basic arithmetic and I know
that I have eaten more food than I should and that's why I put on
weight. It's not rocket science.

But I was responding specifically to what Doug wrote: "So yes, he does
in fact plan to gain the weight back again."

Well you're taking it out of context to make it look like you're being
victimized by anyone who doesn't agree with you. In context the claim that
you're planning to gain the weight is the fact that you limit your eating
less and moving more to 100 days rather than making it a complete lifestyle
change.

And actually, overeating can lead to additional asthma attacks in some
people, certainly sleep apnea, congestive heart failoure, other
pulmonary difficulties, cancer, diabetes, strokes, etc, etc., etc. And
so if people regain their weight (perhaps by frequenting McDonald's on
a meal by meal basis) and develop hypertension again, should we assume
that they do "in fact plan to gain the weight back again"? I don't
think so.

Yes, if they're ordering big macs and quarter pounders with cheese instead
of the salads and are doing nothing else to compensate for the extra
calories then yes, they're planning to regain. It's one thing to enjoy
eating whatever you wish after losing weight and it's another to not
understand that you always need to compensate whether it's by cutting back
for a few days or exercising more, or both.

But we can certainly accuse them of doing so, as too many people have
done over the years.

Or better yet, in your opinion we can consider them helpless vicitims of
society. People who have lost weight know what it takes to take it off.
Keeping it off isn't easy but it is simple and doable if you want it bad
enough to learn that it's actually work. It's perfectly ok to fail, but to
keep doing the same thing over and over as if magicallly it will work
eventually doesn't make you a victim.

In combination with my eating disorder (under control for now), I also have
a propensity for gaining weight very very easily. I could kick back and
complain about the fact that for me an hour a day of exercise and 1600
calories will never make me a size six so therefore I shouldn't bother
trying, or I can continue to do what I'm doing to keep myself from being
over 300 lbs again. If I splurge on good food like I do when on vacation, I
know that I have to compensate by spending many hours walking.

However, you don't seem to want a reasoned discussion and I do happen to
agree with Jeri that you're an attention seeker. You will snip or restate
what I wrote to make it look like I'm also victimizing you as you have
others who have tried to respond to you with reason. While not the psychotic
freakazoid that is Mu/Chung or the stalker boy like other trolls in this
group, your responses to what people write are made to paint yourself as
some kind of put upon soul while really saying nothing of worth (though with
plenty of words). This is similar in the manner of other trolls so I'm
choosing not to waste my limited time on your circular "reasoning." I do
wish you the best though I also wish you would follow through with taking
your discussions to your other group.
--
the volleyballchick