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Old February 4th, 2007, 03:41 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in the
last week. Thanks.


if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster, please take it to
Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very little support of this
poster in here


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Old February 4th, 2007, 03:41 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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"SFrunner" wrote in message
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Holy crap



My thoughts exactly. ==8O


oh Mother Father!


  #23  
Old February 4th, 2007, 04:32 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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"LFM" wrote in message
news

"teachrmama" wrote in message
...



Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very little
support of this poster in here


Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because they
are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I understand
that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not required to
read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I always respond
respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my conversation with
Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and regulations. If you
were standing behind me in the grocery store and I were carrying on a
conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to McDonald's and discuss
things, rather than conversing in a public place you just happened to be in?
With all due respect, that is how I feel you are speaking to me here.


  #24  
Old February 4th, 2007, 04:34 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Feb 3, 2:32 pm, "determined" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Feb 2, 9:56 pm, "SFrunner" wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:30 pm, "


wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:37 pm, "Caleb" wrote:


This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.


If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!


Yours,


Caleb


Day 32 - 19 pounds gone


Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in the
last week. Thanks.


Please don't. If you want to really know, Google his posts from past
years. It's always the same and some of us are sick and tired of the
BS.


SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you
don't like my posts?


This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes
use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect."


Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize
others.


Caleb


Oh bull****, Caleb. Seriously, and I thought you were an educated adult.
We criticize because we KNOW your history. Did you hope no one would
remember you? The thought that you could go on this ridiculous 100 day diet
for like the 8th time in so many years, to lose the same lbs that you've
been trying to lose the whole time, and no one is going to say anything
negative is just pure ignorance. So please, go away. We won't killfile
you, we'll continue to voice our opinions, which we are entitled to do.


Determined -- Let me get this straight -- you think you are entitled
to voice YOUR opinions and you don't think I'm entitled to voice mine?
Isn't this a wee bit hypocritical?



Caleb

Caleb

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Old February 4th, 2007, 04:44 AM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Feb 3, 7:32 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"LFM" wrote in message

news


"teachrmama" wrote in message
...


Teachrmama - if you are truely interested in a dialog with this poster,
please take it to Alt.support.diet.low-calorie You will find very little
support of this poster in here


Actually, there are topics here that I do not enter opinions on because they
are of no interest to me. It is easy to just skip over them. I understand
that you feel great disdain for this poster, but you are not required to
read his posts, or any conversations that he is in. I always respond
respectfully to other posters, and do not feel that my conversation with
Caleb is violating any of this newsgroup's rules and regulations. If you
were standing behind me in the grocery store and I were carrying on a
conversation with Caleb, would you ask that we go to McDonald's and discuss
things, rather than conversing in a public place you just happened to be in?
With all due respect, that is how I feel you are speaking to me here.


Teachrmama -- Thank you for your views! I think we are having a
useful, civil conversation. I too would be quite irritated if someone
prevented me from talking to someone I wanted to talk to.

Yours,

Caleb

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Old February 4th, 2007, 12:08 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On 3 Feb 2007 14:03:54 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:

On Feb 2, 9:56 pm, "SFrunner" wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:30 pm, "



wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:37 pm, "Caleb" wrote:


This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.


If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!


Yours,


Caleb


Day 32 - 19 pounds gone


Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in the
last week. Thanks.


Please don't. If you want to really know, Google his posts from past
years. It's always the same and some of us are sick and tired of the
BS.


SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you
don't like my posts?

This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes
use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect."

Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize
others.

Caleb


Caleb - ISTR that it was you who started asd.low-calorie for the very
reason that people here were not able to relate to your approach to
dieting and weight loss.

Surely then it's not unreasonable to expect you to restrict your
postings to that group if you want to continue repeating your 100 day
regime.

janice
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Old February 4th, 2007, 12:44 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Feb 3, 4:56 pm, "Caleb" wrote:
On Feb 2, 11:27 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:



"Caleb" wrote in message


oups.com...


On Feb 2, 6:30 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Caleb" wrote in message


groups.com...


On Feb 1, 4:12 pm, "Patricia Heil" wrote:
"janice" wrote in message


. ..


On 1 Feb 2007 12:37:22 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:


This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.


If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!


Yours,


Caleb


Why don't you tell us howmuchyou lost on the last 100 day diet,
and
howmuchyou regained from day 101 onwards?


janice


So it is him!


Yup! It sure is me. I'll be posting on alt.support.diet.low-calorie my
progress.


I guess one of my points is that it simply is not that difficult or
complicated to take the weight off. There is noneedfor people suffer
emotional turmoil, self-doubt, etc. If they follow a sensible dietary
approach over time, they WILL lose weight. Nothing rocket science
about it. However, following a sensible approach over time is not
easy.


I've done it before (quite simply) and I'll do it again this time --
hope it's the last time -- but regardless, it's just not that tough to
do. I sure am a hell of a lot healthier than when I first started this
approach in '99. I am alive, am far more physically fit, etc., etc.


Couple of points for people to remember:


There's a lot of bad advice out there competing for their attention.


It all does break down tocaloriesin versuscaloriesused up.


Weighing regularly is probably essential for most people. (I have a
simple balance beam system that I have found very helpful since '99
that you can read about if you search "indicator" "caleb" "balance
beam" on Google.)


Recordingcalories-- or at least insuring that what you eat adheres
to your dietary goals -- is important.


Regular exercise is important, although the recent research from
Pennington (Ravussin et al) shows that exercise is not a panacea and
that some of the vaunted effects of exercise (e.g., muscle speeding up
metabolism) are not supported by current data.


Most important is just to keep at it -- put your nose down and just
keep plugging along. For every one who unreasonably assails you, you
might imagine their face at a trough, wonder exactly what their weight
loss history is (is there a weight-loss wing of the Mayo Clinic in
their name?), etc. As Rosie used to say, "Your mileage may vary!" And
certainly it is true that there are different strokes for different
folks.


To repeat, weight-loss is not rocket science but it still is not easy.
Too bad we can't be like a horse in blinders that continually plows a
road in a field, undistracted by harmful or inconsequential things.


But, Caleb, are you really losing weight the first 100 days of every
year,
and regaining it during the rest of the year? That sounds like yoyo
dieting, and that isn't terribly good for you, is it?


Since you ask seriously -- I don't think I've lost significant amounts
of weight for about 2 years or perhaps more. So it seems to me about
time to get in harness again.


I remember attending a conference up in Seattle in the early 90s and
the presenter (it was on weight and exercise) noted how hugely
people's diets varied calorically. Great big swings, with some days
being several thousand and the next day being twice that. Eating
consistently and healthily turns out to be quite difficult for most
Americans, especially in this culture that makes snacks, large
portions, a variety of foods, etc., more available.


As to so called "yo-yo" dieting, one of the myths I guess I'd like to
put to rest is that it's difficult to lose weight if one has done it
before. There has been (certainly for me, and also the diet literature
shows it as well) no increased difficulty in losing weight because I
had done it before. There have been a variety of studies on weight-
cycling and there appears to be no clear consensus of the downside.
However, there is fairly clear agreement on what the downside of
remaining overweight and out of shape is. (Also, should there be a
doorman at WW who will not let you enter if you have several times
regained the weight you lost? If that happened, I think not too many
people who had a genuine weight problem would be permitted in.)


Also, given a choice between losing some weight or getting some
exercise (if one had to pick one or the other), some studies indicate
that losing weight is probably more important. Weight loss is the
difference between life or death for many people. And it sure can make
a huge difference emotionally, socially, vocationally, etc.


Mondale said in his run against Reagan: "It's not what we don't know
that's going to get us. It's what we know that just ain't so." (I
think he was quoting Will Rogers but am not sure.) And within the
world of dieting, there are many statements made with the feel of
utter certainty that turn out in the long run to be dubious.


Actually, I don't agree with his politics but I think Michael
Fumento's "Fat of the Land" is a pretty good look at some of the
important variables in dieting.


I'm pretty happy with the weight loss program I'm on now. Doesn't cost
me anything. I feel comfortable knowing that I'm improving my physical
status, that my clothes are getting looser, that I'll be able to carry
a backpack longer distances, etc. I sure don't gnash my teeth and
dwell on my failing. Life is short -- or, as my daughter once said,
it's not that life is short -- it's that death is long. I'd rather be
healthy than not. And if what I'm doing helps motivate others to lose
weight in their own way, then that's to the good.


Anyway, thanks for asking! I sure hope your program is going well!
What kind of program are you on?


Actually, I'm not on a "program." Last May 12 my doctor informed me that my
blood pressure was at stroke level and that I would not live to see my
children grow up if I did not get it under control--which included taking
off some weight. I have lost 80 pounds since then with a combination of
eating sensibly and eating the right foods--not a special program, but a new
way of eating and way of life. I'm never going to go back to the way I ate
before--or eat for the reasons I ate. It really is a new way of life. I
also exercise--walk (rapidly, 4+ mph), go to Curves, and swim when the pool
is open. I swam all summer, but the pool closed in October. I am waiting
impatiently for it to reopen. The grocery store is 1/2 mile from my home,
the bank and library are 1 mile, the drug stor a bit forther, and I walk to
all of them whenever I can. I also ride my recumbent exercise cycle at home,
and run in 5K races--I've placed 2nd in my age group twice! And I make time
for ME. This is the hardest part. But I finally really did have to learn
to say no. I figure Ineedto lose about 30 more pounds--although someone
told me today that they didn't think I should lose any more weight. That
was nice to hear.


Mike -- I guess it's been about 1200 to 1500calories. I have days of
slightly less and days of somewhat more.

The following chart has been motivational to me. Not only does it
suggest that I go for a lower calorie intake, it also shows that even
if I take in significantly morecaloriesthan I am now doing, I will
still lose a substantial amount of weight over time.

Here it is, and it's based on being male (so about 13caloriesper
pound of body weight -- for women, it would probably be about 11caloriesper pound) and weighing about 240 pounds (actually I weigh
slightly more than 240).

Estimate Weight Loss in a 30-Day Month, 100 Days
Based on 240 pounds, not including exercise.

Day's Pounds Lost Month 100 DayCalories Today Lost Equiv Lost Equiv
0 0.9 26.74 89.14

500 0.7 22.46 74.86
600 0.7 21.60 72.00
700 0.7 20.74 69.14
800 0.7 19.89 66.29
900 0.6 19.03 63.43
1000 0.6 18.17 60.57
1100 0.6 17.31 57.71
1200 0.5 16.46 54.86

1300 0.5 15.60 52.00
1400 0.5 14.74 49.14
1500 0.5 13.89 46.29

1600 0.4 13.03 43.43
1700 0.4 12.17 40.57
1800 0.4 11.31 37.71
1900 0.3 10.46 34.86
2000 0.3 9.60 32.00

3000 0.0 1.03 3.43

What the above ...

read more »



I am female, weight 155 pounds and 5'4". How do I make out a "Estimate
Weight Loss in a 30-Day Month, 100 Days on 160 pounds, not including
exercise" table.
Thanks for your help.


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Old February 4th, 2007, 03:14 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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janice wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 14:03:54 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:

On Feb 2, 9:56 pm, "SFrunner" wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:30 pm, "



wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:37 pm, "Caleb" wrote:

This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.

If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!

Yours,

Caleb

Day 32 - 19 pounds gone

Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in the
last week. Thanks.

Please don't. If you want to really know, Google his posts from past
years. It's always the same and some of us are sick and tired of the
BS.


SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you
don't like my posts?

This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes
use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect."

Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize
others.

Caleb


Caleb - ISTR that it was you who started asd.low-calorie for the very
reason that people here were not able to relate to your approach to
dieting and weight loss.

Surely then it's not unreasonable to expect you to restrict your
postings to that group if you want to continue repeating your 100 day
regime.

janice


I agree, janice.

Caleb,
I always tried to be civil in my replies to you. But I find it very hard to
understand why someone would want to continue on the yo-yo diet path as long
as you have. You may contend that it's healthier than remaining overweight
but I'll suggest that it's healthier to work to maintain that weight loss.

Isn't your weight at the beginning of this cycle higher than it was in
previous attempts? IIRC your previous highs were in the 240 range and I
believe it's 265 this time. You indicate your goal weight is 200. If
that's correct then you're trying to lose 65 pounds in 100 days and that
isn't considered a healthy weightloss rate. Your previous choice of food
during your 100 days wasn't real healthy either. I seem to recall it
contained a lot of tuna or sardines and cabbage soup. A few of the
exercises you chose weren't considered exactly safe. I'm referring to
carrying and swinging weights while walking.

You're a well educated man but you fail to see the problems associated with
your diet choices. As many others in the group have suggested you might
want to use the group you setup for this type of dieting as it's not well
received in this type of group. In the past you preached your diet to many
who were just starting their weightloss journey and were eager to grab onto
anything that would allow rapid weight loss instead of choosing a method
that would allow them to lose at a sensible rate and have a much better
chance of maintaining their weightloss. There are many health risks
associated with a rapid weightloss. You might want to consider these risks
against your yo-yo diet plan.

Beverly
177/142/~140 SINCE 1996



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Old February 4th, 2007, 03:53 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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On Feb 4, 6:14 am, "Beverly" wrote:
janice wrote:
On 3 Feb 2007 14:03:54 -0800, "Caleb" wrote:


On Feb 2, 9:56 pm, "SFrunner" wrote:
On Feb 2, 9:30 pm, "


wrote:
On Feb 1, 3:37 pm, "Caleb" wrote:


This is an invitation to anyone who would like to join
alt.support.diet.low-calorie - I've started another 100 Day Diet and
am posting on alt-support.diet.low-calorie. Seems to be going quite
well and I sure intend to keep posting through May and maybe
(hopefully) longer.


If anyone else wants to share their successes or questions about
losing weight through low-calorie methods, I'd be delighted to see
them there!


Yours,


Caleb


Day 32 - 19 pounds gone


Please tell us what has been your average daily calorie intake in the
last week. Thanks.


Please don't. If you want to really know, Google his posts from past
years. It's always the same and some of us are sick and tired of the
BS.


SFRunner -- May I suggest you use your block sender button if you
don't like my posts?


This "some of us are sick and tired" sounds quite childish and makes
use of a logical fallacy called "the band wagon effect."


Seems to me that some people are very, very quick to criticize
others.


Caleb


Caleb - ISTR that it was you who started asd.low-calorie for the very
reason that people here were not able to relate to your approach to
dieting and weight loss.


Surely then it's not unreasonable to expect you to restrict your
postings to that group if you want to continue repeating your 100 day
regime.


janice


I agree, janice.

Caleb,
I always tried to be civil in my replies to you. But I find it very hard to
understand why someone would want to continue on the yo-yo diet path as long
as you have. You may contend that it's healthier than remaining overweight
but I'll suggest that it's healthier to work to maintain that weight loss.

Isn't your weight at the beginning of this cycle higher than it was in
previous attempts? IIRC your previous highs were in the 240 range and I
believe it's 265 this time. You indicate your goal weight is 200. If
that's correct then you're trying to lose 65 pounds in 100 days and that
isn't considered a healthy weightloss rate. Your previous choice of food
during your 100 days wasn't real healthy either. I seem to recall it
contained a lot of tuna or sardines and cabbage soup. A few of the
exercises you chose weren't considered exactly safe. I'm referring to
carrying and swinging weights while walking.

You're a well educated man but you fail to see the problems associated with
your diet choices. As many others in the group have suggested you might
want to use the group you setup for this type of dieting as it's not well
received in this type of group. In the past you preached your diet to many
who were just starting their weightloss journey and were eager to grab onto
anything that would allow rapid weight loss instead of choosing a method
that would allow them to lose at a sensible rate and have a much better
chance of maintaining their weightloss. There are many health risks
associated with a rapid weightloss. You might want to consider these risks
against your yo-yo diet plan.

Beverly
177/142/~140 SINCE 1996


I guess one reason I'm cheerful is that weight loss is straightforward
-- especially if one chooses an effective approach and sticks with
it.

There are a variety of reasons not to stick to an effective approach,
and these reasons include people telling you that your approach is
stupid, that it will not work, that it flies in the face of accepted,
methods, etc., etc., etc.

Such statements are too often toxic to those trying to lose weight and
to get themselves healthier in a variety of ways. The old line --
"everybody knows" -- has been proven wrong time and again. Everybody
just doesn't know effective and accurate methods. Going through some
of the inaccurate advice I have heard on this list -- even from those
who were apparently quite respected here -- would not be useful.

If you don't like what I am saying, you can employ a killfile/block
sender option.

I hope that our ends are the same -- to be healthier and to support
others as they continue in the long and difficult journey to health.

A thousand roads lead to health -- or at least a lot of roads do.

Actually, I feel very good about the methods I have used. Almost every
single time I have tried this approach I have lost large amounts of
weight and I have done so without much emotional turmoil. No second
guessing, half-way measures.

You probably are aware how difficult it is for many people to lose
significant amounts of weight. Many, many try and most don't make it.
The general approached I take clearly have effectively worked for me
in the past and they are working for me again. They will work this way
in the future. While people may not want to employ them, perhaps one
or two of the techniques might be useful. And if not then this might
be a demonstration that not every posting is helpful to every single
reader.

I think several of my views (e.g., ignoring the distractive and
possibly bad advice of others, doing what works for you regardless of
shrill criticism by others, being "good enough for long enough" to
work meaningful health change, etc.) are not common here but surely
will be helpful to those trying to lose weight. Not only can too many
cooks spoil the broth, but too many people giving advice can lead
people to maintaining their extra poundage.

One of the reasons (I think) some people react so viscerally to my
posts is that I have been able to adhere to a variety of techniques
that result in weight loss and then I stick to them long enough to
lose weight and be healthy, and I post the details of my journey as I
go along. I don't know anyone else here who has done so in such fine
detail on an ongoing basis. I also have stuck with my plan (e.g., I am
not going to try new diets as larger varieties of food make me eat
more, I am not going to boost my daily calorie intake in the unproved
and false expectation that eating more calories will allow me to lose
more weight, etc.) and perhaps that has irritated others who want to
give advice.

But a lot of the time the words that should come out of our keyboards
should be: "Hey, that's terrific!" Well done! Keep it up! You're doing
great!" And words such as that are too rare from some of the
Usenetters here. We find flaws in the approaches of others and demean
the intentions and progress that others make IF IT DOESN'T COMPORT TO
OUR OWN NARROW STANDARDS OF WHAT PROGRESS IS.

I do not write these posts to irritate you or anyone else but to
support those going on their difficult journey.

I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of my approach to weight loss with
anyone who is asking a serious question. This topic is too important
to shut out voices that may be helpful.

Caleb

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Old February 4th, 2007, 04:52 PM posted to alt.support.diet
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Caleb wrote:
I do not write these posts to irritate you or anyone else but to
support those going on their difficult journey.

I'd be happy to discuss any aspect of my approach to weight loss with
anyone who is asking a serious question. This topic is too important
to shut out voices that may be helpful.

Caleb


Isn't that why you setup the low-calorie group? That's why there are
several groups - low-carb, WW, low-cal, very low-cal etc. Posting in the
appropriate group doesn't require too much thought. Posting in the wrong
group is often looked upon as trolling.





 




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