Swedish study shows fat good for children

This also appeared in english in various places. It was not amount of
fat per sey, it was type of fat.

"Link please. From what I have seen one of the results was exactly that
higher fat intake, regardless of type, was associated with less
obesity:"

Posted belo is the first of two variations that were posted to
newsgroups. One problem about such research is that we don't know what
specific questions were being asked of the data, answers are a function
of questions asked. One can however get some feel of this from the
answers provided in the article. It looks to me as though they did a
regression analysis to find a ranking of what variables seemed to
account for the findings. The link is a news service and the story has
schrolled off so I repeat it for you.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/heal...newsid=3D61831

Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight 29 Jan 2007

Swedish scientists have discovered that children can become overweight if
they don't have enough of the right kind of fat in their food. Or, in other
words, eating a diet with the right kind of fat in it can stop kids getting
overweight.

The findings of the dissertation based at Sahlgrenska Academy at Goteborg
University are published online by the Swedish Research Council. The key is
in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes.

The study investigated the lifestyle, dietary intake, eating habits and
insulin levels of nearly 200 healthy 4 year old children living in
G=C3=B6teborg, Sweden. Very few of the children were from deprived areas.

The scientists measured their weight and height to work out Body Mass Index
(BMI). Based on the BMI measures, 23 per cent of the children were
overweight and 2 per cent were classed as obese. The researchers say they
would expect more overweight and obese children if they had come from a
wider socio-economic range.

The results showed a curious correlation between fat intake and BMI. High
BMI children were gaining weight because their bodies were storing too much
fat. But these children were not the ones consuming the most fat. Children
with low or ideal BMI ate more fat than those who had high BMI.

The key is in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes and
omega-3 in particular. Omega-3 is found in fatty fish and vegetables.

A third of the children in the group were not eating enough unsaturated
fat, and by far the greatest deficiency was the level of omega-3 fat in
their diet, according to lead researcher and Dietician Malin Haglund
Garemo.

Other studies have also suggested a link between lack of omega-3 and
obesity, she said.

Another important discovery was that the highest insulin levels were found
in the children who had put on the most weight. Girls in particular showed
this tendency, the researchers said. And girls with the lowest insulin
levels were the ones who consumed the most unsaturated fat.

The study also found that many of the children were eating unhealthily. 70
per cent of them were deficient in iron, and 20 per cent of them were not
getting enough calcium. Their daily intake of fruit and vegetables was only
140 g a day, instead of the recommended daily amount of 400 g.

And over 25 per cent of their daily energy was coming from what might be
called "junk" foods such as soft drinks, candy or sweets, cookies, biscuits
and ice cream.

The children who watched more than one hour of TV every day also had a
higher BMI.

The researchers want to conduct further studies "to see if the early
increase in insulin is causing obesity. Such results would go against the
common perception that fat causes increased insulin production as a result
of insulin resistance," said Malin Haglund Garemo.

Leaving aside the fat sources developed in the last 100 years, could
you
show us on what evidence you base your specific conclusions above?
Evidence from human metabolism of fats would seem one place to
consider
as well as that from paleoanthropology.

Please don't just throw links at us without commentary as to contents
of
each and what you think they support with regard to fat in the human
diet. Provide the logic that ties the information to your conclusions
in other words. Thanks.

"It would be pointless to show any proof to you because you will
automatically label it as cherry picking without yourself showing any
proof of cherry picking

Maybe you can show us the appropriate studies that show otherwise, oh
gifted Freshie the all knowing of Carnegie Mellon University and
Brainwashing Institute."

And there we have it. Regardless of what anyone labeles your
presentation the quality of it should be self evident. As it stands the
quality also speaks for itself regardless of the responses of any other
poster including myself. Why ask another to "prove" on your behalf
assertions that originated with yourself?

I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear
that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to that
specific question.

The type of fats was less important.

That is also obvious from the papers.

On Jan 31, 10:37 am, "H.L" wrote:
I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear
that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to that
specific question.

The type of fats was less important.

That is also obvious from the papers.

It is obvious to everyone who read the story, except for those whose
goal is muddy the waters, like p... what's his name, who seems to be
pushing a food industry agenda. He's just a troll and can be ignored.
But there is also value in egging him on and seeing just how far out
and illogical he is willing to go to try to rationalize his industry
propaganda. It's pretty funny at times.

TC

"I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to
that specific question."

Answers are always a function of the question. Based on the news
articles, if asked about which fats she would have answered that
unsaturated fats especially those with omega3 fatty acids as found in
fish and plant sources would be prefered as fat choices along with
avoiding high sugar foods.

On Jan 31, 11:04 am, wrote:
"I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to
that specific question."

Answers are always a function of the question. Based on the news
articles, if asked about which fats she would have answered that
unsaturated fats especially those with omega3 fatty acids as found in
fish and plant sources would be prefered as fat choices along with
avoiding high sugar foods.

So you are going to re-write news articles and a radio interview you
didn' hear based on your ivory tower advanced degree pinheaded book-
learned ideas? God, you must think so very, very little of our
intellectual capacities. How so ****ing arrogant of you, freshie.

TC

"I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to
that specific question."

Answers are always a function of the question. Based on the news
articles, if asked about which fats she would have answered that
unsaturated fats especially those with omega3 fatty acids as found in
fish and plant sources would be prefered as fat choices along with
avoiding high sugar foods.

So you are going to re-write news articles and a radio interview you
didn' hear based on your ivory tower advanced degree pinheaded book-
learned ideas? God, you must think so very, very little of our
intellectual capacities. How so ****ing arrogant of you, freshie.


I used the article first posted by you where specific mention was made
that unstaturated fats and especially those from fish and plants
containing omega3 fats were associated with those kids having the lowest
bmi numbers.

If in an answer to a question as above asking to
choosing fat or sugar that answer was provided and we can accept it.

We can also with justification answer with the information in your
posted article as to which fat among all fats was a good choice. Your
opinion of me is irrelevant, the information the article provided would
exist if I did not exist and its conclusions clearly set forth would not
change either. Shall I repost the article again?

On Jan 31, 12:37 pm, wrote:
On Jan 31, 11:04 am, wrote:

"I listened to an interview with the researcher in the radio. It was
clear that kids should eat fat rather than sugar. She even answered to
that specific question."

Answers are always a function of the question. Based on the news
articles, if asked about which fats she would have answered that
unsaturated fats especially those with omega3 fatty acids as found in
fish and plant sources would be prefered as fat choices along with
avoiding high sugar foods.

So you are going to re-write news articles and a radio interview you
didn' hear based on your ivory tower advanced degree pinheaded book-
learned ideas? God, you must think so very, very little of our
intellectual capacities. How so ****ing arrogant of you, freshie.

TC

I agree. Everyone here seems to agree that the reported conclusion of
the study and even the interview was that the children who ate more
fat, regardless of type, were less likely to be overweight. Sounds
like P is the kind of person that would read a report that says diesel
cars get excellent mileage, and of those cars, the VW Rabbit got the
best mileage and then claim it says only the VW rabbit gets excellent
mileage.

For clarification of some notions that have come up since, I post the
original article again. Please note, even in the title, the stress on
kind of fat.

Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight 29 Jan 2007

Swedish scientists have discovered that children can become overweight if
they don't have enough of the right kind of fat in their food. Or, in other
words, eating a diet with the right kind of fat in it can stop kids getting
overweight.

The findings of the dissertation based at Sahlgrenska Academy at Goteborg
University are published online by the Swedish Research Council. The key is
in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes.

The study investigated the lifestyle, dietary intake, eating habits and
insulin levels of nearly 200 healthy 4 year old children living in
G=C3=B6teborg, Sweden. Very few of the children were from deprived areas.

The scientists measured their weight and height to work out Body Mass Index
(BMI). Based on the BMI measures, 23 per cent of the children were
overweight and 2 per cent were classed as obese. The researchers say they
would expect more overweight and obese children if they had come from a
wider socio-economic range.

The results showed a curious correlation between fat intake and BMI. High
BMI children were gaining weight because their bodies were storing too much
fat. But these children were not the ones consuming the most fat. Children
with low or ideal BMI ate more fat than those who had high BMI.

The key is in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes and
omega-3 in particular. Omega-3 is found in fatty fish and vegetables.

A third of the children in the group were not eating enough unsaturated
fat, and by far the greatest deficiency was the level of omega-3 fat in
their diet, according to lead researcher and Dietician Malin Haglund
Garemo.

Other studies have also suggested a link between lack of omega-3 and
obesity, she said.

Another important discovery was that the highest insulin levels were found
in the children who had put on the most weight. Girls in particular showed
this tendency, the researchers said. And girls with the lowest insulin
levels were the ones who consumed the most unsaturated fat.

The study also found that many of the children were eating unhealthily. 70
per cent of them were deficient in iron, and 20 per cent of them were not
getting enough calcium. Their daily intake of fruit and vegetables was only
140 g a day, instead of the recommended daily amount of 400 g.

And over 25 per cent of their daily energy was coming from what might be
called "junk" foods such as soft drinks, candy or sweets, cookies, biscuits
and ice cream.

The children who watched more than one hour of TV every day also had a
higher BMI.

The researchers want to conduct further studies "to see if the early
increase in insulin is causing obesity. Such results would go against the
common perception that fat causes increased insulin production as a result
of insulin resistance," said Malin Haglund Garemo.

After a long argument with , you sometimes are
best advised to go back and start all over again.

I have decided to killfile Thunderbar.

His 'arguments' are just a waste of time and energy.

Jim


wrote:
For clarification of some notions that have come up since, I post the
original article again. Please note, even in the title, the stress on
kind of fat.


Not Enough Of The Right Fats Can Make Children Overweight 29 Jan 2007

Swedish scientists have discovered that children can become overweight if
they don't have enough of the right kind of fat in their food. Or, in other
words, eating a diet with the right kind of fat in it can stop kids getting
overweight.

The findings of the dissertation based at Sahlgrenska Academy at Goteborg
University are published online by the Swedish Research Council. The key is
in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes.

The study investigated the lifestyle, dietary intake, eating habits and
insulin levels of nearly 200 healthy 4 year old children living in
G=C3=B6teborg, Sweden. Very few of the children were from deprived areas.

The scientists measured their weight and height to work out Body Mass Index
(BMI). Based on the BMI measures, 23 per cent of the children were
overweight and 2 per cent were classed as obese. The researchers say they
would expect more overweight and obese children if they had come from a
wider socio-economic range.

The results showed a curious correlation between fat intake and BMI. High
BMI children were gaining weight because their bodies were storing too much
fat. But these children were not the ones consuming the most fat. Children
with low or ideal BMI ate more fat than those who had high BMI.

The key is in the amount of unsaturated fat that a child consumes and
omega-3 in particular. Omega-3 is found in fatty fish and vegetables.

A third of the children in the group were not eating enough unsaturated
fat, and by far the greatest deficiency was the level of omega-3 fat in
their diet, according to lead researcher and Dietician Malin Haglund
Garemo.

Other studies have also suggested a link between lack of omega-3 and
obesity, she said.

Another important discovery was that the highest insulin levels were found
in the children who had put on the most weight. Girls in particular showed
this tendency, the researchers said. And girls with the lowest insulin
levels were the ones who consumed the most unsaturated fat.

The study also found that many of the children were eating unhealthily. 70
per cent of them were deficient in iron, and 20 per cent of them were not
getting enough calcium. Their daily intake of fruit and vegetables was only
140 g a day, instead of the recommended daily amount of 400 g.

And over 25 per cent of their daily energy was coming from what might be
called "junk" foods such as soft drinks, candy or sweets, cookies, biscuits
and ice cream.

The children who watched more than one hour of TV every day also had a
higher BMI.

The researchers want to conduct further studies "to see if the early
increase in insulin is causing obesity. Such results would go against the
common perception that fat causes increased insulin production as a result
of insulin resistance," said Malin Haglund Garemo.