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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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## Reread her post, you missed a part. :-)
You missed THIS PART: "The rest of the molecule then gets fed into the
same
system as
carbohydrates and fat and is broken down into energy or taken into the
fat stores."

Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*"
(emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates". The
body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP
(adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a
carbohydrate. The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from
whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second year
Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more.

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"Fred" wrote in message
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Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything
else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of
nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all.

## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that.
Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much of
a
dinner. :-(

But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good
quality you don't need more than that), and a mass of zero point veggies.
That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point
snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about
priorities and balance really.

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"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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Please note that "fed into the same *system* as carbohydrates *and fat*"
(emphasis mine) is NOT the same as "gets converted into carbohydrates".

## What's the difference? You're nit picking. It acts exactly the SAME!
If you didn't consume one carbo for a year you would not suffer from Carb
deficiency. You're body would produce these same converted proteins and
provide you with plenty of carbs.

The
body is very good at breaking pretty much everything down into ATP
(adenosine triphosphate) (what the body uses for energy). It is not a
carbohydrate.

## Neither is a carbo still a carbo when it's stored as FAT.

The amount of energy the body uses to do the converson from
whatever to ATP varies depending on what the "whatever" is. My second
year
Biochemistry textbook has the details if you want to know more.

## Explain from your biochemistry book why no humans suffer from "CARBO'
deficiency," and where the carbs come from when there are NONE in the diet.

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Age 60. Height 5'6"
Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
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"Lynne" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:06:46 -0600, "Wysong *~" P@P wrote:


$$ There you! :-) That's why low-carbers have to control there intake
if
meat, cheese and eggs at some point.

Atkins (which you proclaim to know so much about) is NOT a high
protein diet.

## No one said it was a high protein diet unless the person CHOOSES to make
it a high protein diet. Many people can't adjust to the high fat low-carb
diets. So they eat low-carb/higher-protein diets. It's a high FAT diet
more than a high protein diet.

It is a high FAT, reasonable protein diet.

## For most people. Others favor a higher protein/lower fat intake on the
diet - and if YOU knew so much you would know that all low-carb diets are
NOT Atkins diets.

Could be why
you weren't successful with it. I think you need to have a chat with
Lyle MacDonald.

## I was very successful with it the first 5 months and lost 46 lbs. Maybe
at 217.4 you ought to try it for awhile. :-)
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Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
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"Fred" wrote in message
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Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything
else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of
nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all.

## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done that.
Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much
of
a
dinner. :-(
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But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good
quality you don't need more than that),

## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3 Pts.

and a mass of zero point veggies.

## OK,... here's the problem with zero Pt. veggies. As much as I love
veggies and eat all kinds - they're not very filling and in less than an
hour I'm getting hungry again. When I say hungry I'm not talking about the
"munchies" but real stomach burbling hunger. A 1/2 cup of beef is a very
small amount for a person 5' 6" tall and fairly active. Of course you'll
claim you don't have that problem with low-carb veggies - right? Maybe you
don't but I do.

That's what I have most nights, and that gives my day space for a 2 point
snack of almonds (much lower fat than pecans) during the day. It's about
priorities and balance really.

## Whatever works for you. Dinner is the biggest meal here. I don't have a
need to snack and seldom do. I eat 3 meals a day and spread my Pts among
them. Even that's hard as I've only eaten two meals a day since I was a
pre-teen. I have a piece of fruit at night because WW claims we need more
than 3 meals a day.... and stay within my Pts.

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Starting date: 1/8/05
171/ 167 / 140 lb
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$$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein
as we all know.
and
$$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the
hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all
those who died from the toxins?

Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure
and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly
died of it.
Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100
lbs on a healthy WW points diet.

Nathalie

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"Fred" wrote in message
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Hey, eating nuts has been determined to be healthy, like everything
else - in moderation. So, an occasional 5 point NUTRITIOUS snack of
nuts is definitely fine. It is not wasting your points at all.

## You sure will miss those 5 Pts at dinnertime. Been there - done
that.
Instead of 8 Pts for dinner as usual, all I had were 3 Pts. Not much
of
a
dinner. :-(
===============================================
But a 3 point dinner is easy. 100g of good quality steak (if it's good
quality you don't need more than that),

## 100G of steak is a few bites. A 1/2 cup (child size portion) is 3
Pts.

A few bites? Its a quarter lb burger. Thats more than a few bites :-)

In message , Nathalie W
writes

"Wysong *~" P@P wrote in message
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$$ And yet no one is dying from being *poisoned* by all this exces protein
as we all know.
and
$$ Why? Where are all the people on low-carb diets being rushed to the
hospital from being *poisoned* by the meats they're eating? Where are all
those who died from the toxins?

Well here is one. I ended up 3 times in hospital with severe kidney failure
and was forbidden animal protein, and excess other proteins because I nearly
died of it.
Anecdotical, but it happens. More than you know. Meanwhile, nearly lost 100
lbs on a healthy WW points diet.

Nathalie

Actually, "poisoning" by too much animal protein is exactly what
thousands of people in the Western world, possibly millions, ostensibly
are. Most of us eat far too much, and far too little fruit and veg with
it. (I've had kidney problems myself)

By eating small amounts of meat and fish, moderate amounts of starchy
foods and tons of fruit and veg I'm not only losing weight and losing
inches whilst avoiding hunger pangs, I'm also boosting my immune system
and potentially lengthening my life.

Wysong, you can on on and on about how great a low-carb lifestyle is,
but the fact is you're still overweight and you admit yourself that the
weight-loss stalled after a few months. I think the saying "Physician,
heal thyself" applies here.
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Anna (in UK)
Maximum weight: 184 lbs
Start Weight this time: 174 lbs
Goal Weight: 146 lbs
Current Weight: 165.5 lbs

It's NOT a problem as long as you keep track of the points. If you use 4
or
5 Pts for the nuts as a pre lunch snack, then you have to give up those
Pts
somewhere else during the day. Would you be willing to have a much
lighter
lunch?
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Wysong

Hello. I tend to be very satisfied most of the time eating the way I do.
Around 6 points for breakfast, lunch and supper each, and 10 to 15 more in
snacks. I work out hard at least 6 hours a week, plus I work on my feet most
the time.

Read my stats before you try to tell me what works for me will ya?

Lesanne
365/161.5/164

159 this morning after a nice pile of peanuts and raisins for my snack
yesterday afternoon.

"Fred" wrote in message
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Water in reasonably large quantities has not killed anybody unless
they attempted to breathe it in.


I dunno - see

www.dhmo.org

:-D

Cheers, helen s