Will PRAYERS help you lose weight or keep it off???

Julianne wrote:
:: "rosie read and post" wrote in message
:: news ::: GOOD GRIEF!
::: i hope our tax dollars didn't pay for THAT survey!
::
:: Uh, Rosie, what about the government funded study to determine
:: whether gold fish got more intoxicated on rum or vodka? My favorite
:: - a gov't funded study to determine why prisoners try to escape.

That latter one seems silly on the surface....but when you think of armed
guards hanging around who would not mind shooting you knowing that not many
people would get terribly upset about it....hmm.....

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:42 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

:: Maybe. But say you spend 45 minutes per day praying to the Lord to
:: help you lose weight. If you spent same 45 minutes walking, you would
:: be better off!

Absolutely! Spending 45 minutes is a waste of time, imo.

Next time God spends 45 minutes watching over you, I'll bet you'll
think that was time well spent.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

"rosie read and post" wrote in message
news
GOOD GRIEF!
i hope our tax dollars didn't pay for THAT survey!

Uh, Rosie, what about the government funded study to determine whether
gold
fish got more intoxicated on rum or vodka? My favorite - a gov't
funded
study to determine why prisoners try to escape.

oy vey!

If alcoholics can 'turn it over to God,' I don't see how it could hurt to
turn your weight over to God. I tried that and all I could come up with is
a great disagreement between my doctor and God. Doc wanted me to stay under
20 grams of carbs for the rest of my life and God wanted me to be the way I
happened to be at that time in my life. I opted for my doctor.

Val in Boise

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:26:54 -0600, "Val in Boise"
wrote:

Doc wanted me to stay under
20 grams of carbs for the rest of my life and God wanted me to be the way I
happened to be at that time in my life.

How did you know that?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

M_un Over Seattle wrote:
:: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:42 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::::: Maybe. But say you spend 45 minutes per day praying to the Lord to
::::: help you lose weight. If you spent same 45 minutes walking, you
::::: would be better off!
:::
::: Absolutely! Spending 45 minutes is a waste of time, imo.
::
:: Next time God spends 45 minutes watching over you, I'll bet you'll
:: think that was time well spent.

True. However, I meant in terms of prayer to get focus...I think little
bits more frequently work better than a long session less frequently. JIMO,
however.

Maybe if you pray 24/7!!!

Ignoramus13873 wrote:

I highly doubt that prayers would help...

You would be better off eating less and exercising more!

i
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Power of prayer found wanting in hospital trial
By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent
(Filed: 15/10/2003)

The biggest scientific experiment on prayer has failed to find any
evidence that it helps to heal the sick.

Doctors in the United States will today disclose that heart patients
who were prayed for by groups of strangers recovered from surgery at
the same rate as those who were not.

The three-year study, led by cardiologists from Duke University
Medical Centre in North Carolina, involved 750 patients in nine
hospitals and 12 prayer groups around the world, from Christians in
Manchester to Buddhists in Nepal.

Earlier, less extensive, research suggested prayer could have a
measurably beneficial effect.

But the experiment, which will be detailed in a BBC2 Everyman
documentary to be broadcast next week, was criticised as crude by
Church leaders. The Bishop of Durham, the Rt Rev Tom Wright, said:
"Prayer is not a penny-in-the-slot machine. You can't just put in a
coin and get out a chocolate.

"This is like setting an exam for God to see if God will pass it or
not."

He said both the Old and New Testaments said "very clearly" that you
must not put God to the test. The new research, dubbed the Mantra
project, was led by Dr Mitch Krucoff, a cardiologist, whose pilot
studies had led him to believe that prayer could have measurably
beneficial effects.

Over three years, 750 patients awaiting angioplasty, a procedure to
clear obstructions from their arteries, were recruited for the
experiment.

Names selected at random by a computer were sent to the 12 prayer
groups, who began praying immediately for their recovery. Neither the
hospital staff nor the patients and their relatives knew who was being
prayed for.

The prayer groups included American Christian mothers, nuns in a
Carmelite convent in Baltimore, Sufi Muslims, Buddhist monks in Nepal
and English doctors and medical students in Manchester. Prayers were
even e-mailed to Jerusalem and placed in the Wailing Wall.

An analysis of the results found that there were no significant
differences in the recovery and health of the patients who were prayed
for and those who were not.

The Rev Leslie Francis, professor of practical theology at the
University of Wales, said two major studies, in 1988 and 1999, had
found that prayer had a beneficial effect.

"In medical research one expects divergent results, so it is premature
to affirm or dismiss the power of prayer in healing," he said. "But if
the pharmaceutical industry was getting these sorts of results they
would be investing a great of money in research."

M_un Over Seattle wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:26:54 -0600, "Val in Boise"
wrote:

Doc wanted me to stay under
20 grams of carbs for the rest of my life and God wanted me to be the way I
happened to be at that time in my life.

How did you know that?

Same way you know what god wants of us. Hallucination.

Pastorio

On 20 Oct 2003 14:35:48 GMT, Ignoramus13873
wrote:

Ignoramus13873 wrote:
:: I highly doubt that prayers would help...

Prayers by the individual may help with losing and keeping weight off simply
by helping a person focus the mind.

Maybe. But say you spend 45 minutes per day praying to the Lord to
help you lose weight. If you spent same 45 minutes walking, you would
be better off!

You can do both. Just walk around beating yourself on the head with a
board every 3 seconds like those monks in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

Forgive me Lord for being such a glutton *CLUNK*, forgive me Lord for
being such a glutton *CLUNK*.

--
Ron Ritzman
http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart
Smart people can figure out my email address

In article , Ron Ritzman
wrote:

On 20 Oct 2003 14:35:48 GMT, Ignoramus13873
wrote:

Ignoramus13873 wrote:
:: I highly doubt that prayers would help...

Prayers by the individual may help with losing and keeping weight off
simply
by helping a person focus the mind.

Maybe. But say you spend 45 minutes per day praying to the Lord to
help you lose weight. If you spent same 45 minutes walking, you would
be better off!

You can do both. Just walk around beating yourself on the head with a



Or say the Buffet Prayer. God help those who are caught helping
themselves-to seconds and thirds.
board every 3 seconds like those monks in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

Forgive me Lord for being such a glutton *CLUNK*, forgive me Lord for
being such a glutton *CLUNK*.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman