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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
PETA are ****tards.
Eva Whitley wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... Here's part of what they have to say: These lucky stars will be receiving PETA's "Veg Eye" makeover kit, including copies of PETA's vegetarian starter kit, which is chock-full of easy tips on how to switch from meaty to meatless; The PETA Celebrity Cookbook, which makes vegetarian cooking super simple; |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
I second PETA ****tards!
" PETA are ****tards. Eva Whitley wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... Here's part of what they have to say: These lucky stars will be receiving PETA's "Veg Eye" makeover kit, including copies of PETA's vegetarian starter kit, which is chock-full of easy tips on how to switch from meaty to meatless; The PETA Celebrity Cookbook, which makes vegetarian cooking super simple; |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
Hello Doug!
Sorry for the long email in advance. I just wanted to provide information for you just in case you might find it helpful... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. This is great that you are trying a new diet! Especially a low-cal vegetarian diet, which I would think would be exceptionally difficult to stomach. It shows that you really trying!! Now, I don't really know if you want the information, but there is a very easy explanation as to why you gained weight. Let me explain... What if I was to tell you that for most people, reducing their caloric intake would have ZERO impact on them loosing weight? Would you believe me?? Probably not, but virtually every nutritionist would be on my side. (OK, lets leave the doctors out of this one only because I have found that about 60% of them don't have a clue about basic nutrition) For most people, including vegetarians, the real culprit to gaining weight is not due to how many calories they eat, but rather the types of foods that they eat, and how they eat them. To save time in this forum, lets just get to the core of the matter. What makes most people gain weight is due to what nutritionists call the "see saw effect". Let me explain the process: Why most people gain weight? ======================================= A) You get hungry and eat something of high GI food. Mmmm... Candy bar and Coke is yummy!!... :-) http://www.gisymbol.com.au/PDF/BackgroundInfoGI.PDF B) Next, in under 5 mins, this food that was ingested is immediately absorbed into your blood stream which causes a massive spike in your bodies blood glucose levels. C) After about another 15 mins, your pancreas notices the rising blood glucose levels, and releases a massive amount of insulin which is required to allow the body to "use" this new found energy source. D) Because your insulin levels rise so fast in the bloodstream, (ie. More energy than the body needs), your fat cells start gobbling up all the extra, and you would be amazed at how fast these little critters can do this!!(ie. Normally in less than 45 mins) E) Next, because of these seemingly "greedy little fat cells", blood sugar levels drop rapidly leaving the rest of the body without much energy left, making you feeling tired and sleepy... Nap time anyone?? F) Finally, because blood sugar levels dropped so low in such a short period of time, your body does not know what is going on and goes into "panic mode" thereby sending signals to the brain to make you hungry again. (ie. This starts this vicious cycle all over again) ======================================= Next Question: Why do we love high GI foods so much? ======================================= To answer this question, one must appreciate how incredibly smart our bodies are. In some instances, people will eat allot of high GI foods just because they are the quickest/easiest foods to find or they do not know any better. For many people, though, we seem to "crave" high GI foods… Have you ever wondered why when that "special someone" broke your heart, or maybe that person driving in the car next to you made you feel really stupid, why your instinctly go home and start eating that big bowl of ice cream? Well, I promise you that you would be very surprised by the answer! In your brain there exists two master chemicals. The first is called "dopamine". The other is called "serotonin". These two brain chemicals influence most everything that we do. For the first being dopamine, it is used for excitement and concentration. In fact, a dopamine release is the whole reason why people drink their coffee in the morning! Serotonin, on the other hand, is used for that overall "feel good awareness", which most people call the "after glow" chemical. Reduced levels in serotonin will cause depression, fatigue, insomnia, etc. Now, where am I going with this?? Well, when your body is influenced by a period of onset depression, which for many people is unfortunately an almost daily occurrence, your body attempts to "treat" itself. Somehow, throughout time, our bodies have learned that by ingesting large amounts of high GI foods, that it will raise serotonin levels in the brain an make you feel better. (ie. Reduces depression symptoms) As with most people that are "their own doctors", even though your body has good intent overall, its reckless behavior does more harm than good... ======================================= OK. They what diet is GUARANTEED to Work? ======================================= Because of the greedy nature of fat cells, any diet that limits insulin releases to a minimum in the body will basically stop fat storage all together. Think about it this way, if there is very little amounts of insulin flowing through the body at any one given time, your muscles will take up all of the glucose and leave your fat cells empty handed!! Now, if only we could do this with governments and politicians!! :-) The way to do this is to always eat low GI foods and stay away from high GI foods. Low GI foods are any food that requires the body to work very hard (ie. Extract Glucose Slowly) to get its energy from. Foods such as: Oatmeal, Kashi cereal, Skim milk, Brown Rice, 100% Whole Wheat Breads, Broccoli, or any non-processed Beans are perfect for keeping insulin levels low. Another side benefit is that by keeping your insulin levels constant, your energy levels will go thru the roof!!! Dont believe me?? Well, it is 12:43am and I got up this morning at 4:30am and Im still going strong!! :-) Another trick that you will find incredibly effective is what is called "diet balancing". Basically this consists of balancing the types of foods that you eat. For instance, my diet is just a typical 45/35/20. This means that I am ingesting about 45% of my foods from protein, about 35% from low GI carbohydrates, and about 20% from fat. By balancing your diet, you will be able to eat a considerable larger amount of food with negligible fat gains. Does this mean that you have to count every calorie you eat?? Certainly not, but it just means that when you are eating a meal, to make sure you always have an appropriate amount of protein/carbohydrates/fats on the plate before you start eating! ======================================= And Finally, Why do people always talk about exercise?? ======================================= As stated above, the human body is an amazing organism. In fact, have you ever wondered why when you go on a diet you loose weight for about 3 to 5 weeks and then no matter how hard you try you cannot loose anymore weight?? The answer is actually pretty intriguing..... Whenever a person goes on a restricted caloric diet, the body at first sarcomas to the pressure. (ie. It gives up fat). After a given time, though, the body gets "wise" to what is going on and decides to take action!! After about 3 to 5 weeks, (ie. It is different from person to person), the body realizes that it must change a few things or it will have to give up all of its fat, and I can promise you that it does not want to do that without a fight!! To stability the situation because of the reduced calorie diet, the body just chooses to reduce it metabolic rate. (ie. You have less energy and cannot think as well as before). By doing this, it allows the body to now function on this reduced diet and keep the fat is so dearly loves!! So where does fitness fall into this?? Well, by introducing exercise into the picture, you effectively stop the body from going into a reduced metabolic state. By doing this, you will continue to loose weight throughout the duration of your weight loss diet cycle. Another side benefit to exercise has to do with weight training. By lifting heavy amounts of weights in the gym (ie. Think HEAVY weight and not light weight as it will have very little effect), you stimulate the body to build more muscle to lift this heavy load. In turn, having this new muscle requires additional glucose to feed it. The beauty of this is that by adding muscle, you can eat considerably more and still loose weight. Dont believe me?? Well, most body builders (Yes, I am talking about the ones that do NOT use steriods) that have large amounts of muscle will eat 5000 calories a day.... For these guys, eating actually is a full time job!! :-) ======================================= Now that you are equipped with all of the knowledge you need, go forth Doug and ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS!!! (And also have some fun along the way.... :-) I hope this helps! Jim Carver Doug Lerner wrote in message ... On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er, "Eva Whitley" wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. Maybe it's harder to gain weight if you eliminate absolutely all animal products including products that are derived from animals, like butter and milk and cheese... But if you include those it is easy to get and remain obese and be a vegetarian. doug |
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"Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er, "Eva Whitley" wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs, weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat much" but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000 cals/day just to maintain. |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
"Jim Carver" wrote in message om... Hello Doug! Sorry for the long email in advance. I just wanted to provide information for you just in case you might find it helpful... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. This is great that you are trying a new diet! Especially a low-cal vegetarian diet, which I would think would be exceptionally difficult to stomach. It shows that you really trying!! Now, I don't really know if you want the information, but there is a very easy explanation as to why you gained weight. Let me explain... What if I was to tell you that for most people, reducing their caloric intake would have ZERO impact on them loosing weight? I would say that millions of concentration camp victims and starving Ethiopians say you're full of beans. I guarantee you that if ANYONE goes into caloric deficit they will lose weight. Basic thermodynamics. What you're claiming defies the laws of physics, and of common sense. Yes, people lose weight with a diet which eliminates high GI foods. But people also lose weight by eating lots of pasta and exercising intensely. People also lose weight by achieving a state of caloric deficit. |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:23:39 GMT, "Gooserider"
announced in front of God and everybody: Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or brussels sprouts. Actually, it does make a difference, depending on the individual. People who are diabetic and/or insulin resistant have a different reaction to simple carbohydrates than non-IR people. Dawn |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
"pearl" wrote in message ...
J Clin Gastroenterol. 1986 Aug;8(4):451-3. Energy intake and body weight in ovo-lacto vegetarians. Levin N, Rattan J, Gilat T. Vegetarians have a lower body weight than omnivores. In this study the relationship between the weight/height ratio and food consumption was evaluated in 92 ovo-lacto vegetarians and 113 omnivores in Israel. The average weight of the vegetarians was significantly lower than that of the omnivores (60.8 kg vs. 69.1 kg), even though the vegetarian diet supplied a significantly higher amount of calories than the nonvegetarian diet (3,030.5 cal/day vs. 2,626.8 cal/day). Consumption of fat was similar in both groups. Carbohydrate consumption was higher in the vegetarians while protein consumption was lower. The prevalence of obesity was significantly lower in the vegetarian group (5.4%) as compared to 19.5% among the omnivores. The lower body weight of vegetarians despite a higher caloric intake is of considerable interest. PMID: 3760524 Typical garbage "study" that doesn't establish any mechanism and actually doesn't even show a real correlation between "lower weight" and a certain eating pattern. To show the latter they would have to rule out the possibility that this isn't merely a genetic effect (i.e. that not all or most people will have lower weight on this diet). This point is brought home by the 5.4% vs 19.5% obesity rate cited. Obesity is highly correlated with hyperinsulinism and carbohydrate intolerance. Considering that vegetarian diets range from high to very high in carbs these obesity figures show that a certian non-random subset of the population is choosing a vegetarian diet. The most plausible explanation is that this diet agrees with them on a physical level and not just philosophical. People with hyperinsulinemia cannot live on such high carb diets. Also there is an obvious flaw in the definition of lower weight: there is no distinction made between fat and muscle mass. Vegetarians tend to have lower muscle mass and muscle density is significantly larger than fat density. |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
[..] You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites? Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck! |
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"ipse dixit" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote: [..] You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites? I understand what you mean. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck! That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with the other supposedly. I've also heard that smoking can help people to be thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) but the other bad effects like stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros. I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick afterward too.. -Rubystars |
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