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Old January 24th, 2004, 11:15 AM
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(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret


There is no secret. There is clear and compelling scientific evidence
that the reason why a low-carbohydrate/low-glycemic diet leads to
weight loss is due to the reasons that Barry Sears suggests (read his
books for lists of studies), and it is related to insulin release in
response to high blood sugar (which signals fat storage) and the
body's preference for using sugar first over protein or fat for energy
when there is sugar in the bloodstream. Most nutritionists and
doctors have never even been familiarized with the literature
surrounding this and continue to recycle the same old belief that
calories are calories, regardless of the source.

The body's preference for using sugar first when protein and fat are
also present leads to problems with fat, protein, sugar and
cholesterol being left behind in the bloodstream. As an example, a
high carbohydrate diet has been proven to be the cause of abnormally
high levels of tryptophan in the blood. Also, vast histories of
experiments show that insulin drips into veins of lab animals causes
build-up of cholesterol in blood vessels and symptoms of heart
disease. This is not disputable. Sugar is being drawn into cells
leaving other things behind.

There is also pro-establishment propaganda going on which explains
much of this. It is not by accident that the guidelines in the food
pyramid developed by the department of agriculture help to maximize
profit for the food industry . People who pay attention to the news
will be aware of the numerous articles noting loss of profit for
processed food manufacturers recently due to the Atkins diet
popularity. Following a Zone, Atkins, or similar diet means touring
the periphery of the store and not going down the aisles unless it's
for atkins products. What does this mean for Betty Crocker, Nabisco,
Kellogg, OreIda, Coca-Cola?

While many of the people on the Atkin's diet are consuming less
calories than before, many people are actually consuming more and
still losing weight. The answer lies in understanding the mechanisms
of insulin signalling and sugar metabolism, and much of what has been
learned about all of this has been learned in the last decade.
Recently, aging itself has been linked to these issues, and
experiments in animals have shown that careful control of blood sugar
and insulin release can lead to slower aging and leaner animals.
There are also conditions like Syndrome X which more or less prove the
applicability to humans.
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Old January 24th, 2004, 12:35 PM
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On 24 Jan 2004 03:15:56 -0800, (rs) posted:

(Diarmid Logan) wrote in message . com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3416637.stm

Uncovering the Atkins diet secret


There is no secret. There is clear and compelling scientific evidence
that the reason why a low-carbohydrate/low-glycemic diet leads to
weight loss is due to the reasons that Barry Sears suggests (read his
books for lists of studies), and it is related to insulin release in
response to high blood sugar


Where does this come from? Must be syndrome X?

(which signals fat storage) and the
body's preference for using sugar first over protein or fat for energy
when there is sugar in the bloodstream.


There is ALWAYS sugar in the bloodstream. Try hypoglycemia!
Not pleasant!

Most nutritionists and
doctors have never even been familiarized with the literature
surrounding this and continue to recycle the same old belief that
calories are calories, regardless of the source.


Huh? Have you written to a medical school about this oversight?


The body's preference for using sugar first when protein and fat are
also present leads to problems with fat, protein, sugar and
cholesterol being left behind in the bloodstream. As an example, a
high carbohydrate diet has been proven to be the cause of abnormally
high levels of tryptophan in the blood. Also, vast histories of
experiments show that insulin drips into veins of lab animals causes
build-up of cholesterol in blood vessels and symptoms of heart
disease. This is not disputable. Sugar is being drawn into cells
leaving other things behind.


Is this "voodoo" nutrition?

There is also pro-establishment propaganda going on which explains
much of this. It is not by accident that the guidelines in the food
pyramid developed by the department of agriculture help to maximize
profit for the food industry . People who pay attention to the news
will be aware of the numerous articles noting loss of profit for
processed food manufacturers recently due to the Atkins diet
popularity.


So meat, dairy, protein, and so on are not the product of the
agriculture industry? What then?

Following a Zone, Atkins, or similar diet means touring
the periphery of the store and not going down the aisles unless it's
for atkins products.


Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?

What does this mean for Betty Crocker, Nabisco,
Kellogg, OreIda, Coca-Cola?


And for the beef industry, dairy industry? Wheat has 12% protein, BTW.

While many of the people on the Atkin's diet are consuming less
calories than before, many people are actually consuming more and
still losing weight.


So can YOU show this metabolic lab study which shows that a
hypercaloric diet can result in fat storage loss?

The answer lies in understanding the mechanisms
of insulin signalling and sugar metabolism, and much of what has been
learned about all of this has been learned in the last decade.


Example? I think you've missed something from decades ago.

Recently, aging itself has been linked to these issues, and
experiments in animals have shown that careful control of blood sugar
and insulin release can lead to slower aging and leaner animals.
There are also conditions like Syndrome X which more or less prove the
applicability to humans.


Well, yes....

Moosh



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Old January 24th, 2004, 03:55 PM
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Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?

Just for your information, maintainance Atkins is hardly distinguishable
from Zone...

Mirek


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Old January 26th, 2004, 02:39 AM
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:55:48 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?


Just for your information, maintainance Atkins is hardly distinguishable
from Zone...


OK, it's apparently changed. I read the book back in 1970 or
thereabouts. So Atkins is 40% carb calories nowadays?
Not a low carb diet then. One wonders what all the fuss is.
Stick to the good old, tried and true, varied, wholefood, eucaloric
diet with regular exercise and you won't likely go wong, unless you
habitually wrestle with busses

Moosh
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Old January 26th, 2004, 02:42 AM
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"Moosh" wrote in
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:55:48 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?


Just for your information, maintainance Atkins is hardly

distinguishable
from Zone...


OK, it's apparently changed. I read the book back in 1970 or
thereabouts. So Atkins is 40% carb calories nowadays?
Not a low carb diet then. One wonders what all the fuss is.
Stick to the good old, tried and true, varied, wholefood, eucaloric
diet with regular exercise and you won't likely go wong, unless you
habitually wrestle with busses

Moosh


I agree. I just looked back over the past week in my graphs.
Today i was.
fat 26%
prot 37%
carbs 37%

The past month looked like this
fat 31%
prot 36%
carbs 33%

My body seems to like the numbers staying along those ranges and i lose
weight fine. Albeit very slow now that im reaching my goal. But still.
We all know everyone is different though.

365/222/200
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Old January 26th, 2004, 11:21 AM
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On the one hand it is suggested that calories are calories, and that
low carb diets work simply because they result in less calorie intake.

Note the difference in terminology. "Calories are calories" is
actually used to mean "intake calores are intake calories."

It is commonly also alleged, though not clearly stated, that output
calories are NOT all equal. For example, it is often stated that
dieting without exercise will result in muscle loss while dieting with
exercise will result in fat loss, which is more desirable.

I am not sure that is proven either. But if true, then clearly output
calories are not all equal. Output through work is not equal to
output through excretion, e.g. And to the extent that input calorie
choice may affect output calories, the equality of input calories
begins to be questionable.
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Old January 26th, 2004, 02:39 PM
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"Moosh" wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:55:48 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?


Just for your information, maintainance Atkins is hardly distinguishable
from Zone...


OK, it's apparently changed. I read the book back in 1970 or
thereabouts. So Atkins is 40% carb calories nowadays?
Not a low carb diet then. One wonders what all the fuss is.
Stick to the good old, tried and true, varied, wholefood, eucaloric
diet with regular exercise and you won't likely go wong, unless you
habitually wrestle with busses

Moosh


See there is your main problem. You do not even know what a low-carb
diet is. The mainstream recommends a 55 to 65% carb diet. Anything
less than this is a low-carb diet. 40% carbs is a low carb diet. Now
this is a major misconception on your part. Here you are arguing with
everybody and coming across as if you know more than everybody,
showing nothing but arrogance, making your high-handed assertations
and you do not even understand what ow-carb is and why it is low-carb.
Maybe you ought to get to understand the parameters and the context of
the discussion before you open your mouth and make nonsensical
arguments that end up embarassing you yet again.

TC
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Old January 26th, 2004, 08:29 PM
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See there is your main problem. You do not even know what a low-carb
diet is. The mainstream recommends a 55 to 65% carb diet. Anything
less than this is a low-carb diet. 40% carbs is a low carb diet. Now


Another possible definition is anything less than 100g a day. Zone aims
for 100g.

Mirek


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Old January 28th, 2004, 08:38 AM
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On 26 Jan 2004 06:39:07 -0800, (tcomeau) posted:

"Moosh" wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:55:48 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

Are you equating a Zone diet, (40% carbs), with Atkins?

Just for your information, maintainance Atkins is hardly distinguishable
from Zone...


OK, it's apparently changed. I read the book back in 1970 or
thereabouts. So Atkins is 40% carb calories nowadays?
Not a low carb diet then. One wonders what all the fuss is.
Stick to the good old, tried and true, varied, wholefood, eucaloric
diet with regular exercise and you won't likely go wong, unless you
habitually wrestle with busses

Moosh


See there is your main problem. You do not even know what a low-carb
diet is.


Well what is it? The scientists use something like 10% sometimes.

The mainstream recommends a 55 to 65% carb diet.


Do they? I've heard this is a high carbohydrate diet.
I've seen recommendations for 40% to 60% depending on physical
activity and total calorie requirement.

Anything
less than this is a low-carb diet.


What happend to "moderate carb diet"?
Do you just have high and low in your lexicon?

40% carbs is a low carb diet.


That's moderate from what I read. Geez it's nearly half, hardly low.
Maybe you mean "lower"?

Now
this is a major misconception on your part.


And many scientists, apparently.
See what they regard as low carb diet.
Certainly not 40%

Here you are arguing with
everybody and coming across as if you know more than everybody,


To you perhaps

showing nothing but arrogance,


Ditto

making your high-handed assertations


Those facts can be annoying, I know.

and you do not even understand what ow-carb is and why it is low-carb.


Well you tell us why eating two fifths of your calories as carbs is
low carb. What would 30%, or 20% or 10% carbs be called?

Maybe you ought to get to understand the parameters and the context of
the discussion before you open your mouth and make nonsensical
arguments that end up embarassing you yet again.


So once again, you claim that a hypercaloric diet can result in fat
storage loss, please show us the evidence that you base this weird
assertion on. And please don't regurgitate that silly study you did
recently, my sides are still sore

Moosh
 




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