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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube
videos, and I liked this one. Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube video on using dietary fat while managing weight. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts Dave http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LowCarbHighFat/ |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
"Dave LCHF" wrote in message
.. . I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube videos, and I liked this one. Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube video on using dietary fat while managing weight. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of the time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none of them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully objective, "scientific," way. One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and pan-sauteeing . However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start adding it to my morning coffee. Ick. I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though. Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health. What do you guys think? HG |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:43:58 -0400, Hannah Gruen
wrote: "Dave LCHF" wrote in message .. . I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube videos, and I liked this one. Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube video on using dietary fat while managing weight. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of the time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none of them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully objective, "scientific," way. One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and pan-sauteeing . However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start adding it to my morning coffee. Ick. I used to do that. It's really not that bad. Plus, I used to eat rice cakes when I was low fat. A little oil added to coffee is better than a rice cake. I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though. Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health. What do you guys think? HG I think you're right. Some of the coconut oil claims are a bit overhyped. I also think that lard (if you can find it without partially hydrogenated oils, that is) would be just as good from a cooking standpoint. I do think coconut oil's properties are interesting, though. I wish there were a truly unbiased source of dietary information. Alas, we have to wade through multiple sources, each as biased as the last. -- Bob in CT |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
It is unfortunate that we live in an era where the results of studies seem
to depend on who is paying for the study. I gather part of this comes from adjusting the methods used in the study. I'm told that medical studies often pre-screen candidates. If they suspect a drug has a problem after 1 year, then they do a 6 month study.... -and so it goes... 2ndly, there are so many studies, that any scientific theory advocate can cherry pick studies to support their position. I like coconut milk. I like the taste. There are anecdotes about Islanders who ate lots of coconuts having been quite healthy. Of course, I suppose an Islander might eat a lot of fish too. "Bob in CT" wrote in message news On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:43:58 -0400, Hannah Gruen wrote: "Dave LCHF" wrote in message .. . I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube videos, and I liked this one. Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube video on using dietary fat while managing weight. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of the time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none of them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully objective, "scientific," way. One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and pan-sauteeing . However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start adding it to my morning coffee. Ick. I used to do that. It's really not that bad. Plus, I used to eat rice cakes when I was low fat. A little oil added to coffee is better than a rice cake. I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though. Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health. What do you guys think? HG I think you're right. Some of the coconut oil claims are a bit overhyped. I also think that lard (if you can find it without partially hydrogenated oils, that is) would be just as good from a cooking standpoint. I do think coconut oil's properties are interesting, though. I wish there were a truly unbiased source of dietary information. Alas, we have to wade through multiple sources, each as biased as the last. -- Bob in CT |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
"Hannah Gruen" wrote:
One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and pan-sauteeing . I've found it for $9 in the organic section of the local grocery store, and for $3 at Super Wal Mart. However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start adding it to my morning coffee. Ick. Instead pay for lard and it ends up having added transfats. Grumble. I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though. Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health. What do you guys think? Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works for us. Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we have a metabolic need for salt so foods available on tropical beaches work well for us - seafood and coconuts. So without getting into the details of the scientific claims I see why coconut oil would be well accepted by humans. Besides, it smells nice when melted ... |
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On May 9, 12:58 pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
"Hannah Gruen" wrote: What do you guys think? Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works for us. Is that why most of the world record performances in athletics were accomplished on high fat, low-carb diets? Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we have a metabolic need for salt I see where this might be headed: justification of your next binge on greasy, salty, junk food. so foods available on tropical beaches work well for us - seafood and coconuts. But fresh seafood isn't very high in salt. For instance, fresh salmon is relatively low in sodium. Its sodium content is comparable to chicken or beef. And has about 7 times more potassium than sodium. Squid is similarly low in sodium. Scallops are a bit higher in sodium, but not by much. Perhaps you are confused by the labels on processed seafood, or are laboring under the misconception that things that live in salty water contain salt. Many marine species are hypotonic with respect to the salty water they live in. In spite of living in it, they keep it out of their bodies. |
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote: Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works for us. Is that why most of the world record performances in athletics were accomplished on high fat, low-carb diets? And world level athletics has what to do with the majority of people other than to serve as a canard that you're off your rocker? Fit individuals can easily do fine on low carb diets. If they follow the directions and ease into their programs. Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we have a metabolic need for salt I see where this might be headed: justification of your next binge on greasy, salty, junk food. Wow. Make sure you post often. It's very entertaining. But please do make sure to go on a sodium-free diet and see how the cravings get stronger and stronger until you eventually die from lack of sodium. so foods available on tropical beaches work well for us - seafood and coconuts. But fresh seafood isn't very high in salt. If your level of technology is a sharp stick, fresh seafood is salty for the simple reason it is coated with sea water. Perhaps you are confused by the labels on processed seafood, or are laboring under the misconception that things that live in salty water contain salt. Many marine species are hypotonic with respect to the salty water they live in. In spite of living in it, they keep it out of their bodies. Oh yeah, processed foods with labels as having an effect on human evolution a million years ago. Right. Thanx for the entertainment. |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
On Wed, 09 May 2007 18:35:40 -0400, Doug Freyburger
wrote: Kaz Kylheku wrote: Doug Freyburger wrote: Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works for us. Is that why most of the world record performances in athletics were accomplished on high fat, low-carb diets? And world level athletics has what to do with the majority of people other than to serve as a canard that you're off your rocker? Fit individuals can easily do fine on low carb diets. If they follow the directions and ease into their programs. I've found the carbohydrate requirements of exercising to be vastly overrated. OK, if you're a world class bicyclist, you might need a certain amount of carbs. But for those of us riding nthe 100 mile per week range, the carb requirement is way, way, way lower. Currently, I'm riding in the around 50-660 mile range per week, along with lifting weights twice a week. I find eating some fruit after these exercises enough to replenish what I need. If I feel the need to have more carbs, I eat a few pieces of fruit. That's it. -- Bob in CT |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
On May 9, 3:43 am, "Hannah Gruen"
wrote: Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). The human body runs /terribly/ on fat stores. It runs efficiently on carbohydrates. |
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Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks
"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message ups.com... On May 9, 3:43 am, "Hannah Gruen" wrote: Our bodies, after all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e. animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). The human body runs /terribly/ on fat stores. It runs efficiently on carbohydrates. Well, if I am going to lose the extra fat, my sorry body better START burning fat stores for food, however "/terribly/", instead of carbohydrates! By the way, Sparky, do you know what the body does with extra glycogen in your bloodstream when you are insulin resistant, and the insulin cant make your blood cells accept the blood sugar for fuel that was made from the carbohydrates you ate? Scroll down for the answer, if you don't already know: .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. It gets processed to your fat cells for storage. Chew on that. -- ~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX |
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