Are muscular men more at risk than scrawny men?

GaryG wrote:

"Peabody" wrote in message
news:81i2d.284930$sh.18342@fed1read06...
It is said, by some, that using BMI (Body Mass Index) as a risk
factor for heart disease is invalid with respect to muscular men
because BMI only takes into account total body weight and height,
not the percent bodyfat. So, for example, a gymnast might have a
high BMI because he is heavily muscled, and be classified as obese,
even though he is not really at risk.

And then I see Dr. Chung talking about "ideal" weight, without
making any distinctions about body type.

My question is whether there is any research that shows whether
being heavily muscled, but with low bodyfat, still puts a man more
at risk than someone who is scrawny, assuming both get lots of
exercise. Is there any indication that being muscular is indeed as
risky as being fat, and that BMI is therefore valid for all body
types?

I ask this because I have a number of risk factors (age, sex, family
history, smoking when younger, and hypertension), but at 5'10" and
172, didn't really consider myself to be overweight because, well, I
have a flat belly (33" waist, 42" chest), no love handles, and only
one chin. And when last measured, my bodyfat was 12%. But I'm
sure I'm well above Dr. Chung's ideal wieght for my height,
and I'm just beginning to wonder about it all.

What I'm really asking is whether there have been any studies that
specifically address this issue. I've been unable to find any.


Those are excellent questions! Unfortunately, I've seen no research that
specifically studied the mortality risks of heavily muscled men (i.e., those
with high BMI's but low body fat percentage). Hopefully, if such research
has been done someone else will post a link.

As for yourself - at your height and weight, your Body Mass Index is
currently 24.7, which is in the Normal range. In a study published in the
New England Journal of Medicine that involved one million subjects, they
found that for men the low point in the mortality curve was at BMI's of 23.5
and 24.9 (the study can be found at
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/341/15/1097 - you may need to
register to view it). So, based on that large-scale study of mortality and
BMI, your current Body Mass Index looks great (especially in light of your
low body fat, and your presumably active lifestyle).

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention to
them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can tell
from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100 hits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot


And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)



GG

You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.


Please consider the following to save yourself:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

GaryG wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote in message
news:1095439982.dYOcUHbHzhMP46QPJldDSw@teranews...
GaryG wrote:

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention
to
them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can
tell
from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot


And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)


The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the
original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears -
that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a
few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and
other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving
exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating
from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close
to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist
and His servant.

Nonetheless you remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

GaryG wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

GaryG wrote:

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much attention
to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you can
tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700 hits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...ew+chung+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500 hits:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.

The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although the
original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist" appears -
that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite a
few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron" and
other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your self-serving
exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of fascinating
from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.

This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have come close
to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a cardiologist
and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

GaryG wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

GaryG wrote:

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much
attention
to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you
can
tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500
hits:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.

The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although
the
original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a
whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist"
appears -
that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite
a
few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron"
and
other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your
self-serving
exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of
fascinating
from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.

This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have
come close
to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a
cardiologist
and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob


"Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone.

Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk?

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

GaryG wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

GaryG wrote:

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much
attention
to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you
can
tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500
hits:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.

The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although
the
original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a
whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist"
appears -
that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite
a
few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron"
and
other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your
self-serving
exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of
fascinating
from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.

This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have
come close
to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a
cardiologist
and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob


"Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone.

Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk?

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

GaryG wrote:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote

GaryG wrote:

As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much
attention
to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you
can
tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu
ng+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500
hits:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.

The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although
the
original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a
whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist"
appears -
that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite
a
few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron"
and
other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your
self-serving
exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of
fascinating
from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.

This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have
come close
to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a
cardiologist
and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob


"Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone.

Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk?

Jim Bard wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:


GaryG wrote:


"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote


GaryG wrote:


As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much

attention

to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you

can

tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700

hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu

ng+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu

ng+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500

hits:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.


The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although

the

original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a

whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist"

appears -

that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite

a

few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron"

and

other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your

self-serving

exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of

fascinating

from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.


This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have

come close

to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a

cardiologist

and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob

"Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone.

Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk?

LOL As perfect a three-sentence testimonial as I've heard for Chung.
Can't find any fault with it and am awed by the full range of its
inclusiveness and its quotation marks. Chung couldn't ask for a better
endorsement. Well, he could, but...

You know.

Bob

Jim Bard wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:


GaryG wrote:


"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote


GaryG wrote:


As for Dr. Chung's opinions - I would urge you to not pay much

attention

to them. He is a well-known internet whacko of long standing, as you

can

tell from his cryptic reply to your post.

A Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung troll" returns nearly 1700

hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu

ng+troll

Likewise, a Google Groups query for "Andrew Chung idiot" returns 2100
hits:

http://groups.google.com/groups?sour...8&q=andrew+chu

ng+idiot

And a similar query for "Andrew Chung cardiologist" returns 12,500

hits:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1D323E49

For once, there is truth in the greater numbers :-)

Chung's "Bigger is better" philosophy. Poor sap posts and crossposts
and thinks that many=good. He's under the bizarre notion that his
boasting for thousands of posts somehow transcends the assessments of
hundreds of intelligent analysts who see him for what he actually is
and say so.


The "truth" is that you are an incessant cross-poster, as you have once
again demonstrated - your reply was sent to 3 usenet groups, although

the

original post was only in sci.med.cardiology. This is considered
ill-mannered, and is one of the reasons why people consider you a

whacko.

As for the number of posts in which "Andrew Chung cardiologist"

appears -

that says nothing about your skills or mental competence. It merely
reflects the fact that you have been cross-posting incessantly for quite

a

few years, and you add those words to each of your posts.

The fact that you have been called "idiot", "whacko", "troll", "moron"

and

other names thousands of times speaks more "truth" than your

self-serving

exposition of your credentials. That you seem to derive some sort of
pleasure from being so abused is kind of sad, but also kind of

fascinating

from a psychological perspective.

GG

The fact is that you used Google to support your namecalling.

Slight misstatement. He "used Google to support" a substantive series
of conclusions. They're axiomatically true because you've made them be
true.


This backfired because none of the insulting names you are choosing have

come close

to exceeding the 12,500 count of what I truly am in the eyes of God: a

cardiologist

and His servant.

LOL Idiot Chung forgets that his name appears in all the replies to
his insanities - and all the posts calling him the sorts of
characterizations he has earned with his crippled, sociopathic
behavior are included in that 12,500 he claims (who can be bothered to
check?)...

LOL Chung believes that the more posts he vomits out into usenet,
the more favorably God will look upon him. No matter that he's driving
people away from religious considerations, no matter that Chung's
credibility is in the toilet, no matter that his capacity to do good
is severely compromised by his wackiness. Only that he generate more
posts than anybody else.

God won't mind Chung's lies, his quackery, his charlatanism, his
forgeries, his self-worship, his malice, his "praying on the street
corners," his obvious mean-spiritedness... nope, just how many puked
posts he generates.

The man is incapable of learning...

Bob

"Doctor" Chung is a hero. He's closer to God than anyone.

Did I ever mention that I'm a friendly as hell drunk?

LOL As perfect a three-sentence testimonial as I've heard for Chung.
Can't find any fault with it and am awed by the full range of its
inclusiveness and its quotation marks. Chung couldn't ask for a better
endorsement. Well, he could, but...

You know.

Bob