High fibre diet. Advice needed.

THE FOLLOW-UP ON THIS WAS SET TO UK.REC.GARDENING. I expect it's a troll.

But if it's legit, I wonder if there's a relation to acid/alkali. Charts
promoting an alkaline-producing diet show vegs as alkaline-producing, meats
as acid-producing.



Skinny
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:44:45 +0000, Roger wrote:

Hello.
I wonder if I could share something with you. I do this in the hope
that you might be able to help me resolve a dietary problem.

I was warden of an open house for a number of years. We ran special
week-ends including all vegey ones. We also had a number of residents
who were vegies. Two things have always stood out in my mind and in
fact now puzzled me.

/snip trollish details of digstive problems the vegetarians had/


(The red meat eating Anglo-Catholic High Church folks were quite
different. Mind you they had bouts of "the scour" when venison was on
the menu.)

I have yet to get a convincing reason for the difference. I'm also not
convinced that this is a natural outcome of eating so much vegetable
material.


The obvious thing would be to look at how the vegs were cooked. Asian vegs
were cooked to softness, but very spicy and served over rice that retained
some fiber. Modern veg diets often emphasize raw veg.



The problem is now quite acute because my Doctor has advised
me, due to my advancing years, to eat more high fibre foods like veg
and less red meat. Any thoughts on how to control the above problems
would be welcomed. Especially from those of you who have increased
your fibre intake.

Roger.

I would venture a guess that there was too much yeast in the digestive
tract. Acidophilus would help with that, as well as the bloating.

Roger wrote:
Hello.
I wonder if I could share something with you. I do this in the hope
that you might be able to help me resolve a dietary problem.

I was warden of an open house for a number of years. We ran special
week-ends including all vegey ones. We also had a number of residents
who were vegies. Two things have always stood out in my mind and in
fact now puzzled me. The first was the amount of farting and rifting
that went on. When it came to farting even the women produced some
real thunder flash quality efforts as well as rapid fire ones. Events
well out of the perpetrators control. With up to 30 of them in a
confined space the smell was something else. Choking at times. I used
to dread taking Compline in the small ante-room the smell stuck to
hair and clothes for ages. My first task before going to bed was to
start airing both the Common Room and the Dinning Room. The windows
had to be left open until after 5am. Not even incense could hide the
smell. Even after airing the place I could still taste it.

The second thing which still sticks in my mind was the amount and
characteristics of the brown stuff they produced and the number of
toilet rolls they got through. It was our handy man who drew my
attention to it because the toilets were continually getting blocked.
The stools varied from things resembling baseballs in shape and size
to things which looked like massive turfs of lawn. Hard as rock and
usually in piles of 4 to 5. Some of them lay in the pan right up to
the brim like thick snakes. It took ages to clear them. What really
annoyed me was the grunts, groans, moans and farts which accompanied
the evacuation of their bowels usually in the small hours of the
night. Mind you the most worrying was the brown and bright red smears
up the toilet walls.

(The red meat eating Anglo-Catholic High Church folks were quite
different. Mind you they had bouts of "the scour" when venison was on
the menu.)

I have yet to get a convincing reason for the difference. I'm also not
convinced that this is a natural outcome of eating so much vegetable
material. The problem is now quite acute because my Doctor has advised
me, due to my advancing years, to eat more high fibre foods like veg
and less red meat. Any thoughts on how to control the above problems
would be welcomed. Especially from those of you who have increased
your fibre intake.

Roger.

I would venture a guess that there was too much yeast in the digestive
tract. Acidophilus would help with that, as well as the bloating.

Roger wrote:
Hello.
I wonder if I could share something with you. I do this in the hope
that you might be able to help me resolve a dietary problem.

I was warden of an open house for a number of years. We ran special
week-ends including all vegey ones. We also had a number of residents
who were vegies. Two things have always stood out in my mind and in
fact now puzzled me. The first was the amount of farting and rifting
that went on. When it came to farting even the women produced some
real thunder flash quality efforts as well as rapid fire ones. Events
well out of the perpetrators control. With up to 30 of them in a
confined space the smell was something else. Choking at times. I used
to dread taking Compline in the small ante-room the smell stuck to
hair and clothes for ages. My first task before going to bed was to
start airing both the Common Room and the Dinning Room. The windows
had to be left open until after 5am. Not even incense could hide the
smell. Even after airing the place I could still taste it.

The second thing which still sticks in my mind was the amount and
characteristics of the brown stuff they produced and the number of
toilet rolls they got through. It was our handy man who drew my
attention to it because the toilets were continually getting blocked.
The stools varied from things resembling baseballs in shape and size
to things which looked like massive turfs of lawn. Hard as rock and
usually in piles of 4 to 5. Some of them lay in the pan right up to
the brim like thick snakes. It took ages to clear them. What really
annoyed me was the grunts, groans, moans and farts which accompanied
the evacuation of their bowels usually in the small hours of the
night. Mind you the most worrying was the brown and bright red smears
up the toilet walls.

(The red meat eating Anglo-Catholic High Church folks were quite
different. Mind you they had bouts of "the scour" when venison was on
the menu.)

I have yet to get a convincing reason for the difference. I'm also not
convinced that this is a natural outcome of eating so much vegetable
material. The problem is now quite acute because my Doctor has advised
me, due to my advancing years, to eat more high fibre foods like veg
and less red meat. Any thoughts on how to control the above problems
would be welcomed. Especially from those of you who have increased
your fibre intake.

Roger.

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:35:18 -0500, Gary Ludlum wrote:

I would venture a guess that there was too much yeast in the digestive
tract. Acidophilus would help with that, as well as the bloating.


Or maybe by 'all vegey' meals he means lots of beans, rice, bread, etc.
Anyway the problem sounds like lack of fiber, not too much fiber. Maybe he
doesn't understand the difference between carby 'vegs' (beans, rice etc) and
green/fresh fiber 'vegs' like broccoli, spinich, etc. Meat has fiber too.



Skinny
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Roger wrote:
Hello.
I wonder if I could share something with you. I do this in the hope
that you might be able to help me resolve a dietary problem.

I was warden of an open house for a number of years. We ran special
week-ends including all vegey ones. We also had a number of residents
who were vegies. Two things have always stood out in my mind and in
fact now puzzled me.

/ snip trollish detials about digestive problems from 'all vegey' meals /


(The red meat eating Anglo-Catholic High Church folks were quite
different. Mind you they had bouts of "the scour" when venison was on
the menu.)

Again that sounds like a troll. How would an 'open house' afford venison?


I have yet to get a convincing reason for the difference. I'm also not
convinced that this is a natural outcome of eating so much vegetable
material. The problem is now quite acute because my Doctor has advised
me, due to my advancing years, to eat more high fibre foods like veg
and less red meat. Any thoughts on how to control the above problems
would be welcomed. Especially from those of you who have increased
your fibre intake.

Roger.