Low carb and endurance running -- results of my experiment

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"Sam" wrote:


Perhaps a person just needs to eat a meal with a little fat, a little
protein and moderate carbs. Add some fiber and many people will not have
this "swing" any longer.




But what is a moderate amount of carbs to some may be too many for others.
For a long time I ate exactly as you described. A typical dinner for me
would be a serving of meat, a salad, a side veggie like broccoli, and a
side starch like potatoes or rice. Not particularly large portions of any
of it. At least, that's how it would start. I'd still be hungry so I'd
have seconds on the potatoes or rice. And then maybe thirds. And then
maybe an hour or two later, I'd have the leftover rice or potatoes for a
late night snack. Now that I no longer eat the starchy side, I'm satisfied
after even smaller portions of everything else. My sister isn't affected
the same way I am. I was amazed that she never even finished her potatoes!
She said she was "full," whatever that meant. Now I know what it means
too, for the first time in my life.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"MU" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:21:31 GMT, Tony wrote:

Excuse me, maybe you read some texts that I didn't read,

Dozens probably but texts are not necessarily my best sources for info.

but that doesn't
mean you understood them,

When I don't, I have taken great lengths to have them explained or
summarized.

and you don't explain your points very clearly.

Sorry about that.

Question: if the body always uses muslce glycogen up first, no matter
what
the effort level (I think this is what you said),

The body looks to utilize muscular glycogen and similar chemistries as a
preferential source for human movement especially if that movement, in
time, leads into an oxygen dependent state.....

then why does it even
bother to store muscle glycogen?

Because if it doesn't store it, then how can it call on systemic glycogen
for reserves?

Wouldn't nature tend to select those
individuals whose bodies saved their more explosive fuel (glycogen) for
times when it could help save one's life? As in Fight or Flight!

It's been a while since the days when humans required fight/flight
scenarios as regular occurrences. How much has this human physiology
evolved since the saber tooth tiger days? Beats me. I can't find any
citations from then.


From what I understand, our metabolism has not changed in the last 40,000
years.

We still are wired for fight or flight. We still produce adrenaline in
stressful situations for instance.

Were homo sapiens sharing the planet with saber tooth tigers?

This would fall into the area of anthropology.

"MU" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:21:31 GMT, Tony wrote:

Excuse me, maybe you read some texts that I didn't read,

Dozens probably but texts are not necessarily my best sources for info.

but that doesn't
mean you understood them,

When I don't, I have taken great lengths to have them explained or
summarized.

and you don't explain your points very clearly.

Sorry about that.

Question: if the body always uses muslce glycogen up first, no matter
what
the effort level (I think this is what you said),

The body looks to utilize muscular glycogen and similar chemistries as a
preferential source for human movement especially if that movement, in
time, leads into an oxygen dependent state.....

then why does it even
bother to store muscle glycogen?

Because if it doesn't store it, then how can it call on systemic glycogen
for reserves?

Wouldn't nature tend to select those
individuals whose bodies saved their more explosive fuel (glycogen) for
times when it could help save one's life? As in Fight or Flight!

It's been a while since the days when humans required fight/flight
scenarios as regular occurrences. How much has this human physiology
evolved since the saber tooth tiger days? Beats me. I can't find any
citations from then.


From what I understand, our metabolism has not changed in the last 40,000
years.

We still are wired for fight or flight. We still produce adrenaline in
stressful situations for instance.

Were homo sapiens sharing the planet with saber tooth tigers?

This would fall into the area of anthropology.

"MU" wrote in message
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That's not true. Fats are utilized first, and glycogen is utilized
more
as
exercise intensity goes up. This is commonly accepted.

It maybe commonly accepted but it is incorrect.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:52:41 GMT, Sam wrote:

I would be interested to read a text that shows that as intensity
increases, glycogen utilization does not increase.

So would I.



Explain your statement above then. It looks like you are disagreeing that
glycogen use does not change with intensity.

I am still waiting to see documentation that the body uses fats first. This
implies a temporal chain of events much like shifting from one fuel tank to
another.

"MU" wrote in message
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That's not true. Fats are utilized first, and glycogen is utilized
more
as
exercise intensity goes up. This is commonly accepted.

It maybe commonly accepted but it is incorrect.

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:52:41 GMT, Sam wrote:

I would be interested to read a text that shows that as intensity
increases, glycogen utilization does not increase.

So would I.



Explain your statement above then. It looks like you are disagreeing that
glycogen use does not change with intensity.

I am still waiting to see documentation that the body uses fats first. This
implies a temporal chain of events much like shifting from one fuel tank to
another.

"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:08:18 GMT, Doug Freese wrote:

Good God, you really don't know anything about physiology.

lol

Google MU.

You gotta be kidding me...

Okay I Googled "MU", the first 3 pages gave me nothing that I thought would
refer to you.

How about a name? How about where you got your education?

You can look up my papers. PubMed search: Callan, SD. You will find a
paper on wrestlers and a couple on hyperoxic training (maybe an abstract
only on Nordic skiing) that I was a contributor on.

"MU" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:08:18 GMT, Doug Freese wrote:

Good God, you really don't know anything about physiology.

lol

Google MU.

You gotta be kidding me...

Okay I Googled "MU", the first 3 pages gave me nothing that I thought would
refer to you.

How about a name? How about where you got your education?

You can look up my papers. PubMed search: Callan, SD. You will find a
paper on wrestlers and a couple on hyperoxic training (maybe an abstract
only on Nordic skiing) that I was a contributor on.

See Callan, SD in PubMed. A couple of papers there on which I am the lead
author or a contributing author.


"MU" wrote in message
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Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries
being
available.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:

You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will
give
you the citations to several.

Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its
resultant
publication.

One of the effects of endurance training is
to increase the contribution of fatty acid oxidation at a given
intensity.

I have no problem with that.

MU wrote:


Fat is burned in the absence of other energy dependent chemistries being
available.


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:29:14 GMT, Sam wrote:


You need to read some studies then. When I get back to work, I will give
you the citations to several.


Save your time unless you can qualify yourself as capable, able and
professionally credentialed to analyze a scientific study and its resultant
publication.

I don't want to embarrass him, but MU_dpack has repeatedly said he's
not qualified to read scientific papers. So it would all just go over
his pretty little head.

Bob




One of the effects of endurance training is
to increase the contribution of fatty acid oxidation at a given intensity.


I have no problem with that.

"DZ" wrote in message
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JMA wrote:
"Donovan Rebbechi" wrote
Ignoramus6334 wrote:

Just curious, would you want to be coached by me if I renamed myself
to "omniscient83754".

It's not just the name, but the fact that it suits you so well.


Actually there are those on ASD who think the name would suit him better
if
the "m" were an "n" instead.

The name that would suit you better is "hyena". Whenever someonene
picks on Ig, you join in.

DZ

Another groupie jumping to his rescue. Too bad he's so helpless that he has
to have everyone else fight his battles, unless of course he's challening
guys almost 25 yrs his senior to pull/push-up contests.

Jenn
--
"It is not that I am completely averse to trolling -- it is fun."
Ig, 9.21.04