Fat rejectance is the new war on women

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"At no time in history have women been so pressured to be thin,"
wrote Frances Berg, M.S., L.N., in Women Afraid to Eat -- Breaking
Free in Today's Weight-Obsessed World (Healthy Weight Network, 2000).

Women and girls are bombarded with messages about thinness, ideals of
beauty, and ways to lose weight. The average woman sees hundreds of
commercials a week, and a Brigham and Women's Hospital study in 2000
found virtually all commercials aimed at girls and women focus on
physical attractiveness. A series of studies of media in 1986 led by
Brett Silverstein, Ph.D., found diet food advertisements targeting
women outnumbered those to men by 63 to 1; and articles dealing with
thin body images and diets appeared 96 times in women's magazines to
every 8 times in men's.

A populace absorbed with desires to be slim and repulsed by fat is
obviously advantageous for the diet industry, but generates a hoard of
harmful repercussions for consumers.

Body Image Conscious

Multiple researchers have concluded that girls internalize these
messages at young ages, resulting in negative perceptions of their
weight and shape, and beliefs that being unnaturally thin is ideal.
Attitudes towards thinness and ideal body size are formed as early as
3 years of age, according to Phebe Cramer, Ph.D., and Tiffany
Steinwert, Ph.D., in a 1998 Journal of Applied Developmental
Psychology. By elementary school age, girls fear looking fat more than
losing their parents, getting cancer or a nuclear war. Eighty percent
of women and 20 percent of men at the University of North Carolina
reported actually being terrified of being overweight, according to
Laura Hartung, M.A., R.D., in a 1997 Journal of the American Dietetic
Association.

Meanwhile, the socially "ideal" weight continues to shrink, becoming
increasingly distorted from reality. Today's celebrities wear sizes 0
or 2, as compared to a normal size 12 a few generations ago. That's a
lot of pressure to be thin. Our obsession with thinness was
highlighted in a March 22, 2000, Journal of the American Medical
Association (JAMA) study that found that just in the last 30 years,
the average BMI (Body Mass Index) of Miss America Pageant contestants
has been reduced by one-third, down to 18 by 1990 -- well below the
World Health Organization's (WHO) criteria for malnutrition. Besides
starving themselves to achieve these gaunt figures, Miss America
contestants work out an average of 14 and some as many as 35 hours a
week.

But Miss America contestants look positively curvaceous compared to
the bony waifs at this year's Oscars. A famous study by Peter
Katzmarzyk, Ph.D., and Caroline Davis, Ph.D., in the International
Journal of Obesity found 70 percent of the Playboy centerfolds the
past 20 years were clinically underweight.

The level of underweight sanctioned by these cultural images and in
life insurance tables is known to be dangerous, but never mentioned,
Paul Ernsberger, Ph.D., associate professor of Medicine, Pharmacology
and Neuroscience, Case Western Reserve School of Medicine, has said.
"The health risk of even slightly underweight is real." Slender
weights, especially as we age, is an indicator for poor survival, he
noted.

Indeed, multiple studies published in the International Journal of
Obesity-Related Metabolic Disorders have found that those who are thin
or who've lost weight not only increase their risk of premature death,
they have the highest risk. In short, those who seek culturally
"ideal" bodies will die earlier than heavier people.

A long-term study by the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute
(NHLBI), published in a 1998 Journal of Public Health, for example,
found that those with BMIs of 20 or less, or with even modest 10
percent weight losses after age 50, have higher premature death rates
than those overweight, even when other variables such as smoking are
taken into account. A clinical study at the University of Maryland
published in the December 1999 Journal of American Geriatrics Society,
found voluntary weight loss in mature women, no matter what they
weigh, appears especially dangerous, quadrupling their likelihood of
dying prematurely.

Lessons That Hurt

Just being exposed to idealized and unrealistic rail-thin images of
beauty in the media and diet industry advertisements takes a toll on
females, particularly impressionable girls, who feel they can never
measure up and are already terrified of the normal weight gain that
comes with maturation.

These thin stereotypes of beauty threaten their healthy psychological
and physical development. Multiple studies, such as the one at
Flinders University in South Australia and others published in the
Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine, have found that girls
exposed to such images have profoundly less confidence and
self-esteem, have distorted body images, are more dissatisfied with
their bodies, and feel more anger, stress and depression.

Not surprisingly, incessant harping on thinness results in unhealthy
and frequently unnecessary desires to lose weight. Eighty percent of
adolescent girls in the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) Youth Risk
Behavioral Surveillance system last year wanted to lose weight, even
though almost two-thirds of them were normal weights.

The obsession with thinness has not only affected how young people see
themselves, but also how they view and treat others. Over the past 40
years a growing fear of fat has spawned an increasingly strong bias
against those who don't conform to ideals. And, it's a lesson that
carries on into adulthood.

Fat prejudice, formed by 8 years of age, is the strongest prejudice
found among children, who then shun their overweight peers. A 1998
study published in the Journal of Adolescent Health found 96 percent
of overweight adolescent girls reported negative experiences because
of their weight -- hurtful comments, derogatory names, teasing, jokes
-- that made them feel ashamed and humiliated and crushed their
self-confidence.

"At the elementary level, children learn that it is acceptable to
dislike and deride fatness," according the Report on Size
Discrimination by the National Education Association. "From nursery
school through college, fat students experience ostracism,
discouragement, and sometimes violence. Often ridiculed by their peers
and discouraged by even well-meaning education employees, fat students
develop low self-esteem and have limited horizons. They are deprived
of places on honor rolls, sports teams, and cheerleading squads, and
are denied letters of recommendation." The promising futures of these
young people are hindered immeasurably.

Tragically, children can't even escape the insensitivity brought on by
our nation's fixation on thinness at school, among adults they trust
and look up to. Yet, increasingly, school officials feel it their duty
to measure youngsters' BMIs and send them home with denigrating notes
if they don't measure up.

But BMI is little more than a nonsense measurement in children. "The
available data do not show that the BMI adequately reflects body fat
mass in children and adolescents," doctors wrote in the April 1999
issue of Journal of Pediatrics. Nor, does the data support childhood
BMIs as correlating to adult outcomes, Katherine M. Flegal, Ph.D., of
the Medical Statistics Branch of the CDC noted in a 1993 Critical
Review of Food Science and Nutrition.

Numerous researchers have urged caution in interpreting BMIs in
children at different ages or stages of development. Evaluating
obesity in children requires arbitrary assumptions for factoring in
age, maturity, gender, ethnicity and physical activity. Several
studies, such as in the July 1997 issue of International Journal of
Obesity, have shown even trained clinicians measuring the same
children come up with different results with each measurement, making
results unreliable and unreplicable. Little wonder, then, that a 2000
USDA study found a fourth of children were mislabeled as at risk or
overweight who turned out to have normal body fat. But, the labels had
already done their damage, as labels do, ostracizing bigger youngsters
and escalating their frantic pressures to be thin.

In this kind of environment, it's no wonder our youngsters feel ready
to do just about anything to be slim.

Three Ominous Trends

Feeling unaccepted and unacceptable if they don't meet ideals of
thinness, young people often react without regard to their health:

Smoking: The trend of younger children taking up smoking, and the
prevalence of smoking among students is worrisome. According to an
October 1997 study in Pediatrics, 23 percent of 9- to 14-year-olds had
smoked or were considering starting, and 36.4 percent of high school
students were smoking as compared to 27.5 percent just six years
earlier. The price tag? The University of Missouri has reported that
3,000 adolescents become habitual smokers and more than 6,000 try
their first cigarettes every day in the United States -- and nearly 75
percent will become addicted. The National Institutes of Health (NIH)
stated in a June 3, 2002, press release, "Current predictions are
that, in the U.S., more than 5 million of today's young smokers will
go on to die of tobacco-related illness." And a major contributor to
this trend is that many young girls are driven to begin smoking by
their desire to be thin. Last summer, the NIH released a study
sponsored by the NHLBI finding worries about weight increased the risk
of a girl becoming a daily smoker by the time she finished high
school.

Birth weight: According to CDC data, there's been a frightening
increase in low and very low birth weight babies the past couple
decades -- with low birth weight births increasing 11.8 percent and
very low birth weights by 24.3 percent from 1980 to 2000. Many
obstetricians and neonatologists attribute this trend to the obsession
with weight and dieting among females. One in four of these very low
birth weight babies don't live to see their first birthdays, many more
suffer impaired development and disabilities that extend far beyond
infancy. A large body of research, such as that headed by Drs. Stephen
Gardner, Gary C. Curhan, Bryndix Birgisdottir, Daniel Lackland and
G.P. Ravelli, has found that undernutrition during fetal development
and early infancy activates a host of permanent physiological changes
that promote fat formation. The same starvation adaptation that
appears with dieting can begin before birth. These researchers have
concluded these immutable changes appear responsible for the rising
childhood obesity and diabetes, as well as obesity and chronic
diseases such as diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney disease and
heart disease that manifest themselves later in life. Cara Ebbeling,
Ph.D., and colleagues at the Division of Endocrinology at Children's
Hospital Boston have noted that through these permanent physiological
alterations during prenatal development, "diet-induced obesity could
accelerate through successive generations."

Suicide: Teen suicides have tripled in the past 40 years and are now
the third leading cause of teen deaths. Suicides are a problem with
increasingly younger children. Just in the past 20 years, rates have
doubled among 10- to 14-year olds, according to the U.S. Department of
Health and Human Services (USDHHS). Suicide claims the lives of more
than 5,000 teen-agers every year, according to the American
Psychiatric Association (APA). For every teen who commits suicide,
another 400 attempt it and 100 require medical care. And according to
the CDC's Youth Risk Behavior Surveys, teens trying to lose weight or
who believe they're overweight are more likely to attempt suicide.

In this war on obesity, the desperation innocent young victims feel to
be thin increasingly becomes more than they can bear. They're not
alone. Being obese in today's society takes a toll on adult women,
too. In 2000, researchers at the Obesity Research Center at St.
Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital in New York found obese women were 55
percent more likely to have attempted suicide than women of average
weight.

Fear of Fat

The damage resulting from our nation's obsession with thinness and
fear of fat carries into adulthood.

A comprehensive review of studies on discriminatory attitudes and
behaviors against fat people done by researchers at Yale University's
Department of Psychology in 2001 found "clear and consistent
stigmatization, and in some cases discrimination, documented in three
important areas of living: employment, education and health care."

On the education and job front, fat people as compared to their
thinner counterparts are less likely to attend college or receive
college funding, even though their academic and test scores are
similar; are hired less often; earn 12 percent less on average; and
pay higher insurance premiums. Among workers 50 percent over "ideal"
weights, 26 percent are denied health insurance benefits and 17
percent reported being fired or pressured to resign...all because of
their weight.

Weight discrimination has also been indicated with housing, adoptions,
jury selection, and even found to be prevalent among healthcare
providers.

A study of more than 400 physicians, another of 100 doctors and clinic
workers, and another of 586 nurses found two-thirds believed fat
people lacked self control and had emotional problems and a third
thought them lazy. Overall, "obese patients were viewed as
unintelligent, unsuccessful, inactive and weak-willed." Almost half of
nurses agreed they felt uncomfortable caring for obese patients and a
third preferred not to at all.

These beliefs may influence judgments and care given by health care
professionals. A 1992 National Health Interview Survey found increased
BMI was associated with decreased preventative health care services.
On Jan. 1, 2002, the National Task Force on the Prevention and
Treatment of Obesity reported obese patients are less likely to
receive certain preventative care services, exacerbated by patient
concerns of being disparaged by doctors or medical staff because of
their weight. An American College of Physicians study of 220,000
adults, published in the Oct. 24, 2000, JAMA, examined unmet health
needs and concluded that the "failure to monitor chronic conditions
such as hypertension or diabetes substantially increase morbidity and
may increase the nation's overall health costs."

No study has yet quantified those costs, but numerous organizations --
such as Council on Size and Weight Discrimination, National
Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, Largely Positive and National
Organization for Women Foundation -- have documented weight prejudice,
especially towards women, in heartbreaking detail.

"A Place at the Table," an effort sponsored by SeaFATtle, memorializes
those who've paid the ultimate price for size discrimination and fat
phobias -- their lives. They write, "Fat people aren't allowed to take
their place at the table and enjoy basic rights and privileges that
others take for granted -- all because our culture has the idea that
fat people are somehow less than human, and therefore shouldn't share
the simple human right of fair and decent treatment. ...We want to
raise public awareness of how ingrained these prejudices are in the
fabric of our culture, how serious the consequences can be, and how
essential it is to change them."

The war on obesity has been fought for almost forty years, yet our
nation is now so fat, according to some, a crisis has been declared.
Often brazenly overlooking or distorting the scientific evidence, diet
admonitions -- from healthcare and diet industry promotions to
government guidelines -- have succeeded in creating a nation
preoccupied with thinness, but one suffering as a result. We must ask
ourselves if all of those "trying to help" bear some responsibility
for the tragic consequences that have resulted. Although their agenda
is clearly off-course, it's shifting into high gear, and we shudder to
think the greater harm that will befall more innocent people if it's
allowed to continue.

Coming Thursday: Why diets should come with warning labels.

(c) 2003 Sandy Szwarc. All rights reserved.


NR

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I get lost when people talk about EXCEPTIONAL pressure on women to be
thin.

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"
only to the extent that I believe other males can and do achieve being
"rich" and "muscular." As I look around the real world at the other
males that I see, I think "no big deal." The men around me are my
TRUE "competition."

Likewise, a girl who "feels pressure" to be thin only "competes"
against girls who live in the real world --- girls in her
neighborhood, etc. She does NOT compete against girls who are in
magazines.

As a guy, I can "dream" of girls in magazines. But, when it's time to
get married, I have to select a girl from the REAL world. And, I have
no problem with that. I AM married. I married a REAL girl.
Duhhhh...

One other note. As a guy, I could feel pressure to have a 12 inch you
know what. But, I live in a real world. And, my wife does too.
People who live in the real world should feel "pressure" only from the
real world.

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when the blitzkrieg raged and boars stank..."
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is that they desire their good but I know they just
want that creamy center. Which reminds me I have to
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than by what they think drinkable. Boar semen being
a perfect example.

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 1749 - 1834
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This means I have a chance to rut with that smelly fatty. I bet she stinks
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Marty the owner of this group has made me horny then
turned down my offers to join in bristly boar orgies.
He will be brought up on charges any minute now. He
is being warned. At any moment he will be charged.
I am warning him. Right now. At this time. Because he
will be warned. This is a warning. A final warning.
I warn him. That was the last warning. Marty I warn you.
That is the only warning he will get. Marty you better
watch out. I am giving you this only final last warning.
I mean it this time. Better watch out. For the rest
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wondering if I am warning you for the last time...and
I shall be busy drowning my sorrows in boar semen.
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She can't have my sticky goodness of boar semen. It is all mine.
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a beautiful thing and my enemies will never believe that
the love between a fat lesbian and a hot rutting boar is
the highest expression of feminism. I do not give a damn
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"At no time in history have women been so pressured to be thin,"
wrote Frances Berg, M.S., L.N., in Women Afraid to Eat -- Breaking
Free in Today's Weight-Obsessed World (Healthy Weight Network, 2000).

Women and girls are bombarded with messages about thinness, ideals of
beauty, and ways to lose weight.

And yet obesity still is a major problem in the U.S. The pressure needs to be more.

(send it to me) wrote in message . com...
I get lost when people talk about EXCEPTIONAL pressure on women to be
thin.

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"
only to the extent that I believe other males can and do achieve being
"rich" and "muscular." As I look around the real world at the other
males that I see, I think "no big deal." The men around me are my
TRUE "competition."

That's only half of the picture. You compete against other men,
and you also compete against women's expectations.

If a woman cannot be fully satisfied by anything less than a rich,
muscular, handsome, famous man, then an ordinary man cannot fully
satisfy her. Even if she herself is insufficiently attractive to
attract such a dream man, and she settles for an ordinary man, that
does not mean she just magically forgets about what she really wants.

It's like the aspiring rock star who has to wait on tables. How
happy will he be if he never realizes his dream of rock stardom
and has to settle for being a waiter all his life? He may resign
himself to his fate, but he will always wish he could have been
a rock star.

Over time harsh reality may beat an ordinary woman's unrealistic
expectations out of her, but her acceptance of the ordinary man
she can attract is likely to be grudging. And she is likely to
convey this to him, by making him feel very ordinary.

Which would you rather have? A woman who has to resign herself to
a life with you, and lets you know that, or a woman who thinks
of you as exactly the man she has always wanted?

Even if you are the best man available, you still have to compete
against a woman's concept of what she really wants.

What if there aren't any men in some locale? Do you think all the
women there would scale down their expectations to have men and
become lesbians instead? Some might, but most women would probably
not settle for other women just because no men were available.
Most people probably do have some minimum requirements they will
always insist on, even if holding to their standards dooms them
to a celibate life.

Likewise, a girl who "feels pressure" to be thin only "competes"
against girls who live in the real world --- girls in her
neighborhood, etc. She does NOT compete against girls who are in
magazines.

In a sense she does. A woman who wants a man's attention has to
compete against all the other things competing for his attention---
his job, his hobbies, his friends, other women in his real world,
television, movies, etc.

A woman does not have to worry about a man having sex with his
television (not *yet*, anyway), but how does a woman feel when
the man in her life snubs her for a few hours every weekend while
he watches the big game? If she wants to allocate those hours of
his time for her own agenda, she has to compete against the
television to win the man's attention.

I'm pretty sure a woman who looks like a Victoria's Secret
lingerie model could win more of those competitions than a woman
who is much less attractive.

You can see this at parties. If all the women at a party
are fat and ugly, few of those women will be getting much attention
from the men there. But if there is one beautiful and outgoing
woman at the party, she will be surrounded by men hanging on her
every word. If the beautiful woman leaves, the ugly women do not
automatically inherit the ability to captivate throngs of men.

As a guy, I can "dream" of girls in magazines.

You can do more than that. You could, if you wanted, spend hours
downloading massive collections of porn, and divert much of your
sexual attention (and indeed, your capacity) away from your wife.

A woman can probably tell the difference between a man who wants
to have sex with her twice per day vs. twice per year.

But, when it's time to
get married, I have to select a girl from the REAL world. And, I have
no problem with that. I AM married. I married a REAL girl.
Duhhhh...

Would you rather have married a woman who looks good enough to
be in magazines, if you had had a perfectly free choice?

Your answer probably depends on whether your wife will hear it.

I wonder, does your wife want to believe she is (a) the best woman
you could get, or (b) the best woman you can imagine getting?

One other note. As a guy, I could feel pressure to have a 12 inch you
know what. But, I live in a real world. And, my wife does too.

I wonder how lesbians deal with that pressure?

If size matters to your wife, then it matters, whether she can
get the size she wants or not.

Failing to attract anybody else does not insure things will always
work out in the bedroom. For example, there are some women who
never have orgasms with their partners, but they probably could
have orgasms with partners they find more attractive, or partners
with better technique---if only they could attract such partners.

Some human needs are relatively fixed. You need a
certain amount of food to keep you alive. If less food is available,
your food requirement will not magically scale itself down. If you
aren't getting enough food to eat, you will be very aware of that.

People who live in the real world should feel "pressure" only from the
real world.

But the entertainment industry is very much a part of our real world.
It creates much of our sensory environment, and its share is steadily
increasing. Every year there are more entertainment options, and they
keep getting better. Look at how much better computer games are today
than they were 20 years ago. 50 years ago there weren't any computer
games.

In another 20 years, computer games will reach a level of visual
realism matching today's most sophisticated computer-generated
films.

It's obvious where this is all going. The entertainment industry
is trying to build artificial methods to satisfy the average
person's built-in cravings for particular types of sensory
experiences. Eventually the entertainment industry will build
the ultimate entertainment product: ultra-realistic artificial
companions perfectly matching the customer's desires.

At the moment, the entertainment industry lacks the ability to
provide the customer with all the desirable forms of sensory
stimulation another real person can provide. But the entertainment
industry continues to nibble away at the real person's remaining
advantages.

-- the Danimal

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(send it to me) wrote in message
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I get lost when people talk about EXCEPTIONAL pressure on women to be
thin.

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"
only to the extent that I believe other males can and do achieve being
"rich" and "muscular." As I look around the real world at the other
males that I see, I think "no big deal." The men around me are my
TRUE "competition."

Which would you rather have? A woman who has to resign herself to
a life with you, and lets you know that, or a woman who thinks
of you as exactly the man she has always wanted?

Would you rather have married a woman who looks good enough to
be in magazines, if you had had a perfectly free choice?

Your answer probably depends on whether your wife will hear it.

I wonder, does your wife want to believe she is (a) the best woman
you could get, or (b) the best woman you can imagine getting?

Sounds like everyone would be a lot happier without the media. But who
want's happy people? Bring on the misery! Every new misery is a new market.

"Larry Bud" wrote

Women and girls are bombarded with messages about thinness, ideals of
beauty, and ways to lose weight.

And yet obesity still is a major problem in the U.S. The pressure needs
to be more.

I think the problem is that similar these advertisement stimulate you to buy
chocolate, pizza, eat at McDonalds, drive a car. Just change your whole
lifestyle, just get what you need in the fridge, go to your work on a bike,
and look at good movies and not at crap on TV that has commercials
stimulating you to buy the things that make you fat and ugly, while
meanwhile the commercials tell you to be thin. You cannot be thin, and eat
and drive a big fat car for every twohundred meters distance. The whole
lifestyle is wrong in the USA if you ask me.

(send it to me) wrote in message . com...
I get lost when people talk about EXCEPTIONAL pressure on women to be
thin.

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"

I'm short, there was a study recently that said women would only go
out with a short guy if all the tall men were convicted child molesters
or something.

The pressure on me to be tall is overwhelming. Thank god I'm not
thin, if I were there'd be nothing I could do to improve my chances. :-)

only to the extent that I believe other males can and do achieve being
"rich" and "muscular." As I look around the real world at the other
males that I see, I think "no big deal." The men around me are my
TRUE "competition."

Likewise, a girl who "feels pressure" to be thin only "competes"
against girls who live in the real world --- girls in her
neighborhood, etc. She does NOT compete against girls who are in
magazines.

As a guy, I can "dream" of girls in magazines. But, when it's time to
get married, I have to select a girl from the REAL world. And, I have
no problem with that. I AM married. I married a REAL girl.
Duhhhh...

One other note. As a guy, I could feel pressure to have a 12 inch you
know what. But, I live in a real world. And, my wife does too.
People who live in the real world should feel "pressure" only from the
real world.

"Ian" wrote

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"

I'm short, there was a study recently that said women would only go
out with a short guy if all the tall men were convicted child molesters
or something.

Darn Ian, then they prefer you over me! Darn, I am tall, but I did it with
17 year old girls a few times. Darn, darn, darn! My, I am feeling the
pressure right now already. Well the 17 year olds like me, anyway, that is
the only thing that keeps me from suicide!

On 25 Sep 2003 20:11:28 -0700, (send it to me) wrote:

I get lost when people talk about EXCEPTIONAL pressure on women to be
thin.

I happen to be a guy. I feel "pressure" to be as "rich" or "muscular"
only to the extent that I believe other males can and do achieve being
"rich" and "muscular." As I look around the real world at the other
males that I see, I think "no big deal." The men around me are my
TRUE "competition."

Likewise, a girl who "feels pressure" to be thin only "competes"
against girls who live in the real world --- girls in her
neighborhood, etc. She does NOT compete against girls who are in
magazines.

As a guy, I can "dream" of girls in magazines. But, when it's time to
get married, I have to select a girl from the REAL world. And, I have
no problem with that. I AM married. I married a REAL girl.
Duhhhh...

One other note. As a guy, I could feel pressure to have a 12 inch you
know what. But, I live in a real world. And, my wife does too.
People who live in the real world should feel "pressure" only from the
real world.

This post should be printed and framed.


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