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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:27:09 -0500, "Rick Ramey, Celestial Engineer"
wrote: I have real problems with any diet that tells me that an apple and a nice bowl of outmeal for breakfast is bad for me. It's nice to see that sensible people have finally found their way back to the group. The hordes of atkins zealots calling me ignorant kept me away for a long time. As if reading a single book by a single person with a very specific and unscientific approach to dieting has suddenly made them nutritional physiologists. |
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This tracks with the experience of my ex-sister-in-law. She got diarrhea. I didn't know about the headaches. I get migraines so that's one more reason (besides the risk to my cholesterol) for me never to even consider this. "dawn" wrote in message ... Associated Press September 3, 2004 Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn LONDON -- Dieters on the popular high-fat, low-carb Atkins approach lose just as much body fat as those on low-fat diets, but the annoying low-carb side effects could mean problems down the road, according to a scientist who reviewed five dozen diet studies. Danish obesity expert Dr. Arne Astrup, whose survey is published this week in The Lancet medical journal, concludes that headaches, muscle weakness and either diarrhea or constipation are reported more often by Atkins dieters than people on conventional diets. Those side effects may be signs that the eating plan isn't healthy in the long run, he says. However, other experts said the diet remains a viable option for some because the side effects aren't bad enough to throw them off the eating plan famous for its shunning of bread, pasta and many fruits. "More people stayed in the low-carb group than in the low-fat group, so you've got to wonder how severe those side effects were if more people kept to the low-carb diet," said William Yancy, a Duke University researcher who conducted one of the major studies that Astrup reviewed. The Atkins diet, which allows unlimited consumption of protein and fat but drastically limits carbohydrates and does not restrict calories, has had a following for decades but only recently has come under serious scientific scrutiny. It has been embraced by an estimated 20 million people worldwide. In his review, Astrup, director of research in the department of human nutrition at the Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University in Frederiksberg, Denmark, examined the evidence from about 60 studies on the Atkins and other low-carb diets. Several small studies in the last year or two have surprised the experts by showing that people lose more weight on the Atkins diet than on the standard low-calorie, low-fat diet, at least in the short term, with even better cholesterol improvements. Longer studies have since shown that when dieters are followed for a year, the total weight loss ends up almost the same with the two approaches. The long-term effect on cholesterol has not been studied yet. Experts have suspected that the weight loss on a low-carb diet may be largely due to water loss, because lots of fluid is bound up in the body's carbohydrate stores that are depleted. However, Astrup said body composition studies indicated the weight loss is a real fat loss, not just water. The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and whole grains, Astrup said. Also, bad breath, muscle cramps, diarrhea, general weakness and rashes are more often reported on low-carb diets than on low-fat diets, Astrup found. "The majority had some of these side effects in the Atkins group. In the control group, almost nothing," he said. These side effects are consistent with carbohydrate deficiency, because the brain and muscle do not get enough sugar from carbohydrates to maintain their normal function, Astrup said. "We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100 grams, still you are far below what your body needs." The body can coast along for a while with the carbohydrate stores in the liver and the muscles, but eventually problems start to occur, Astrup said. "I think these symptoms are signs that something is wrong," Astrup said. But Yancy, the U.S. researcher, said side effects were seen not just after six months but also at the beginning and could have been from dehydration, which is easily overcome. "We know that it works," Yancy said. "I think it's good that people are acknowledging that this diet might be an option for people. ...At this point, we need options for people and when we're looking for options we need to consider even things that go against our judgment sometimes." |
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This tracks with the experience of my ex-sister-in-law. She got diarrhea. I didn't know about the headaches. I get migraines so that's one more reason (besides the risk to my cholesterol) for me never to even consider this. "dawn" wrote in message ... Associated Press September 3, 2004 Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn LONDON -- Dieters on the popular high-fat, low-carb Atkins approach lose just as much body fat as those on low-fat diets, but the annoying low-carb side effects could mean problems down the road, according to a scientist who reviewed five dozen diet studies. Danish obesity expert Dr. Arne Astrup, whose survey is published this week in The Lancet medical journal, concludes that headaches, muscle weakness and either diarrhea or constipation are reported more often by Atkins dieters than people on conventional diets. Those side effects may be signs that the eating plan isn't healthy in the long run, he says. However, other experts said the diet remains a viable option for some because the side effects aren't bad enough to throw them off the eating plan famous for its shunning of bread, pasta and many fruits. "More people stayed in the low-carb group than in the low-fat group, so you've got to wonder how severe those side effects were if more people kept to the low-carb diet," said William Yancy, a Duke University researcher who conducted one of the major studies that Astrup reviewed. The Atkins diet, which allows unlimited consumption of protein and fat but drastically limits carbohydrates and does not restrict calories, has had a following for decades but only recently has come under serious scientific scrutiny. It has been embraced by an estimated 20 million people worldwide. In his review, Astrup, director of research in the department of human nutrition at the Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University in Frederiksberg, Denmark, examined the evidence from about 60 studies on the Atkins and other low-carb diets. Several small studies in the last year or two have surprised the experts by showing that people lose more weight on the Atkins diet than on the standard low-calorie, low-fat diet, at least in the short term, with even better cholesterol improvements. Longer studies have since shown that when dieters are followed for a year, the total weight loss ends up almost the same with the two approaches. The long-term effect on cholesterol has not been studied yet. Experts have suspected that the weight loss on a low-carb diet may be largely due to water loss, because lots of fluid is bound up in the body's carbohydrate stores that are depleted. However, Astrup said body composition studies indicated the weight loss is a real fat loss, not just water. The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and whole grains, Astrup said. Also, bad breath, muscle cramps, diarrhea, general weakness and rashes are more often reported on low-carb diets than on low-fat diets, Astrup found. "The majority had some of these side effects in the Atkins group. In the control group, almost nothing," he said. These side effects are consistent with carbohydrate deficiency, because the brain and muscle do not get enough sugar from carbohydrates to maintain their normal function, Astrup said. "We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100 grams, still you are far below what your body needs." The body can coast along for a while with the carbohydrate stores in the liver and the muscles, but eventually problems start to occur, Astrup said. "I think these symptoms are signs that something is wrong," Astrup said. But Yancy, the U.S. researcher, said side effects were seen not just after six months but also at the beginning and could have been from dehydration, which is easily overcome. "We know that it works," Yancy said. "I think it's good that people are acknowledging that this diet might be an option for people. ...At this point, we need options for people and when we're looking for options we need to consider even things that go against our judgment sometimes." |
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I've never had a headache on low carb. Ever. What does that prove? Not a
damn thing, as I never got headaches on low fat, either. What's the deal with crossposting? I wish my newsreader would mark these stupid post so I don't read them. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:24:11 -0400, Patricia Heil wrote: This tracks with the experience of my ex-sister-in-law. She got diarrhea. I didn't know about the headaches. I get migraines so that's one more reason (besides the risk to my cholesterol) for me never to even consider this. Ah, my HDL went up, triglycerides down, blood glucose (fasting) down, total cholesterol/HDL improved. In fact, every blood result improved when going from low fat to low carb. "dawn" wrote in message ... Associated Press September 3, 2004 Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn LONDON -- Dieters on the popular high-fat, low-carb Atkins approach lose just as much body fat as those on low-fat diets, but the annoying low-carb side effects could mean problems down the road, according to a scientist who reviewed five dozen diet studies. Danish obesity expert Dr. Arne Astrup, whose survey is published this week in The Lancet medical journal, concludes that headaches, muscle weakness and either diarrhea or constipation are reported more often by Atkins dieters than people on conventional diets. Those side effects may be signs that the eating plan isn't healthy in the long run, he says. However, other experts said the diet remains a viable option for some because the side effects aren't bad enough to throw them off the eating plan famous for its shunning of bread, pasta and many fruits. "More people stayed in the low-carb group than in the low-fat group, so you've got to wonder how severe those side effects were if more people kept to the low-carb diet," said William Yancy, a Duke University researcher who conducted one of the major studies that Astrup reviewed. The Atkins diet, which allows unlimited consumption of protein and fat but drastically limits carbohydrates and does not restrict calories, has had a following for decades but only recently has come under serious scientific scrutiny. It has been embraced by an estimated 20 million people worldwide. In his review, Astrup, director of research in the department of human nutrition at the Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University in Frederiksberg, Denmark, examined the evidence from about 60 studies on the Atkins and other low-carb diets. Several small studies in the last year or two have surprised the experts by showing that people lose more weight on the Atkins diet than on the standard low-calorie, low-fat diet, at least in the short term, with even better cholesterol improvements. Longer studies have since shown that when dieters are followed for a year, the total weight loss ends up almost the same with the two approaches. The long-term effect on cholesterol has not been studied yet. Experts have suspected that the weight loss on a low-carb diet may be largely due to water loss, because lots of fluid is bound up in the body's carbohydrate stores that are depleted. However, Astrup said body composition studies indicated the weight loss is a real fat loss, not just water. The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and whole grains, Astrup said. Also, bad breath, muscle cramps, diarrhea, general weakness and rashes are more often reported on low-carb diets than on low-fat diets, Astrup found. "The majority had some of these side effects in the Atkins group. In the control group, almost nothing," he said. These side effects are consistent with carbohydrate deficiency, because the brain and muscle do not get enough sugar from carbohydrates to maintain their normal function, Astrup said. "We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100 grams, still you are far below what your body needs." The body can coast along for a while with the carbohydrate stores in the liver and the muscles, but eventually problems start to occur, Astrup said. "I think these symptoms are signs that something is wrong," Astrup said. But Yancy, the U.S. researcher, said side effects were seen not just after six months but also at the beginning and could have been from dehydration, which is easily overcome. "We know that it works," Yancy said. "I think it's good that people are acknowledging that this diet might be an option for people. ...At this point, we need options for people and when we're looking for options we need to consider even things that go against our judgment sometimes." -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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I've never had a headache on low carb. Ever. What does that prove? Not a
damn thing, as I never got headaches on low fat, either. What's the deal with crossposting? I wish my newsreader would mark these stupid post so I don't read them. On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:24:11 -0400, Patricia Heil wrote: This tracks with the experience of my ex-sister-in-law. She got diarrhea. I didn't know about the headaches. I get migraines so that's one more reason (besides the risk to my cholesterol) for me never to even consider this. Ah, my HDL went up, triglycerides down, blood glucose (fasting) down, total cholesterol/HDL improved. In fact, every blood result improved when going from low fat to low carb. "dawn" wrote in message ... Associated Press September 3, 2004 Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn LONDON -- Dieters on the popular high-fat, low-carb Atkins approach lose just as much body fat as those on low-fat diets, but the annoying low-carb side effects could mean problems down the road, according to a scientist who reviewed five dozen diet studies. Danish obesity expert Dr. Arne Astrup, whose survey is published this week in The Lancet medical journal, concludes that headaches, muscle weakness and either diarrhea or constipation are reported more often by Atkins dieters than people on conventional diets. Those side effects may be signs that the eating plan isn't healthy in the long run, he says. However, other experts said the diet remains a viable option for some because the side effects aren't bad enough to throw them off the eating plan famous for its shunning of bread, pasta and many fruits. "More people stayed in the low-carb group than in the low-fat group, so you've got to wonder how severe those side effects were if more people kept to the low-carb diet," said William Yancy, a Duke University researcher who conducted one of the major studies that Astrup reviewed. The Atkins diet, which allows unlimited consumption of protein and fat but drastically limits carbohydrates and does not restrict calories, has had a following for decades but only recently has come under serious scientific scrutiny. It has been embraced by an estimated 20 million people worldwide. In his review, Astrup, director of research in the department of human nutrition at the Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University in Frederiksberg, Denmark, examined the evidence from about 60 studies on the Atkins and other low-carb diets. Several small studies in the last year or two have surprised the experts by showing that people lose more weight on the Atkins diet than on the standard low-calorie, low-fat diet, at least in the short term, with even better cholesterol improvements. Longer studies have since shown that when dieters are followed for a year, the total weight loss ends up almost the same with the two approaches. The long-term effect on cholesterol has not been studied yet. Experts have suspected that the weight loss on a low-carb diet may be largely due to water loss, because lots of fluid is bound up in the body's carbohydrate stores that are depleted. However, Astrup said body composition studies indicated the weight loss is a real fat loss, not just water. The most frequent complaints with low-carb diets are constipation and headache, which are readily explained by the lack of fruit, vegetables and whole grains, Astrup said. Also, bad breath, muscle cramps, diarrhea, general weakness and rashes are more often reported on low-carb diets than on low-fat diets, Astrup found. "The majority had some of these side effects in the Atkins group. In the control group, almost nothing," he said. These side effects are consistent with carbohydrate deficiency, because the brain and muscle do not get enough sugar from carbohydrates to maintain their normal function, Astrup said. "We have known for many years that there is a minimum intake of carbohydrate necessary to maintain the normal function of your body and that is approximately 150 grams a day," he said. "But, if on the Atkins diet you go down to 20 to 30 grams in the induction phase, then maybe go up to 100 grams, still you are far below what your body needs." The body can coast along for a while with the carbohydrate stores in the liver and the muscles, but eventually problems start to occur, Astrup said. "I think these symptoms are signs that something is wrong," Astrup said. But Yancy, the U.S. researcher, said side effects were seen not just after six months but also at the beginning and could have been from dehydration, which is easily overcome. "We know that it works," Yancy said. "I think it's good that people are acknowledging that this diet might be an option for people. ...At this point, we need options for people and when we're looking for options we need to consider even things that go against our judgment sometimes." -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb dawn wrote:
.... Experts have suspected that the weight loss on a low-carb diet may be largely due to water loss, because lots of fluid is bound up in the body's carbohydrate stores that are depleted. Yup, water loss, that must be it. Silly me. Dan (celebrating 126 lbs. of water loss today) 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb phoenix wrote:
dawn wrote: Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn As if the Atkins fans would care. Diet is religion and claiming their religion has long term risks is not acceptable for them. Actually, the side effects they cite are pretty well-recognized among longer-term LCers. They generally indicate 1) insufficient potassium intake, 2) insufficient water intake, and 3) too much fat, and can be easily corrected by 1) getting your carbs from high-potassium veggies instead of foods that pretend to be things you shouldn't be eating anymore, 2) drinking enough water, getting more fiber (see 1.), and laying off the caffeine, and 3) eating less fat. Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb phoenix wrote:
dawn wrote: Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn As if the Atkins fans would care. Diet is religion and claiming their religion has long term risks is not acceptable for them. Actually, the side effects they cite are pretty well-recognized among longer-term LCers. They generally indicate 1) insufficient potassium intake, 2) insufficient water intake, and 3) too much fat, and can be easily corrected by 1) getting your carbs from high-potassium veggies instead of foods that pretend to be things you shouldn't be eating anymore, 2) drinking enough water, getting more fiber (see 1.), and laying off the caffeine, and 3) eating less fat. Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb phoenix wrote:
dawn wrote: Atkins diet has long-term dangers, researchers warn As if the Atkins fans would care. Diet is religion and claiming their religion has long term risks is not acceptable for them. Actually, the side effects they cite are pretty well-recognized among longer-term LCers. They generally indicate 1) insufficient potassium intake, 2) insufficient water intake, and 3) too much fat, and can be easily corrected by 1) getting your carbs from high-potassium veggies instead of foods that pretend to be things you shouldn't be eating anymore, 2) drinking enough water, getting more fiber (see 1.), and laying off the caffeine, and 3) eating less fat. Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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