stunned at link between income and obesity

I can't disagree with that. Most anyone could eat very well on 42K, even in
CA. If they can't it is because they are making bad choices.

Anon

"Nicky" wrote in message
...


Right - but presumably you've got a similar bell-curve distribution to the
UK, so a Pareto analysis says 80% of people have something like that
income. I just don't believe it's not possible for most of your population
to eat reasonably on that amount of money!

Nicky.

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"Nicky" wrote in message
...

Right - but presumably you've got a similar bell-curve distribution to the
UK, so a Pareto analysis says 80% of people have something like that
income.
I just don't believe it's not possible for most of your population to eat
reasonably on that amount of money!



Possible to eat well and do eat well are two different things.

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Stacey Bender wrote:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=3854505

This was a very interesting program. I hadn't really thought about the
link between money and diet before, but it makes sense.

If you earn less than 42K/year, which 50% of the US does, you have
$4/day for food.

This is an erroneous figure. Others have posted similarly.

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Costco has a great chicken Caesar salad. My wife (also DM) and I
enjoyed our first, this weekend. Now I'm gonna find the number of our
local Costco to see if they have the salad also. We've sworn off
Costco's pizza. Too greasy.

Even Mickey Dee's has salads, but Costco has them beat on price,
quality, and quantity.


Dave

RK wrote:

I just went to the market last night (after yelling at me for a week, lol
i'm bad)
anyhow.. a head of Lettuce was $1.17 in Central Ohio. Now tomatoes were
$2.96 for 3 midsized ones.

I agree.. about the fast food.. I know I certainly need to lay off it. But
when
the kid isn't home.. and hubbys just worked 18hrs and I can't stand more
then
10mins.. it's much easier for him to pick up something on the way home. Why
all my labs are good but my trigs and hdl because I can't exercise and eat
too
much fast food, lol and yet I'm not overweight. go figure.

RK, t1

"David" wrote in message
...

I'm in northern California where everything costs more, and our lettuce is
usually $.99. I don't think it's "rationale" for anyone to eat a lot of
fast food.

Dave

Stacey Bender wrote:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=3854505

This was a very interesting program. I hadn't really thought about the
link between money and diet before, but it makes sense.

If you earn less than 42K/year, which 50% of the US does, you have $4/day
for food.

How can you possibly eat health for that little? You can't. A head of
lettuce is about $2. Fruit and veggies, even if available, are not
purchasable at that income.

So what are you left with? Fast food, where you can get enough calories
for the money. Eating fast food on limitted income is actually the most
rational thing to do.

Stacey, the story you quoted about spending only $4 a day on food has
been roundly rejected.

Dave

Stacey Bender wrote:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=3854505

This was a very interesting program. I hadn't really thought about the
link between money and diet before, but it makes sense.

If you earn less than 42K/year, which 50% of the US does, you have
$4/day for food.

How can you possibly eat health for that little? You can't. A head of
lettuce is about $2. Fruit and veggies, even if available, are not
purchasable at that income.

So what are you left with? Fast food, where you can get enough calories
for the money. Eating fast food on limitted income is actually the most
rational thing to do.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:57:34 -0700, Stacey Bender
wrote:

Drive to other places and you'll see very little fresh lettuce and it
will cost a fortune. My lettuce at safeway cost a $1.99 per head.
Tomatoes are very expensive too.

What kind of lettuce would that be?? A very hugh one? Norway is said
to have extremely expensive vegetables, but a crisp head of Ice salad
is about 14 NOK in winter. (About same price)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:58:44 -0700, Stacey Bender
wrote:


Some people smoke and are just fine too. It's good to be you, at least
in this way.

x-posts left in.

First, you reckon $4 day is all that can be spared from $42k
per year. Then it's:

"Cabbage tastes horrible. Sorry. It looks especially shabby
against a hamburger, fries, and drink.
Convenience and palatability are part of the equation as
well"

Now this nonsense on smoking.

You're correct, indirectly. Eating healthy on a budget can
be both inconvenient and occasionally require re-training
your taste buds. It took me a long time to learn to like
cauliflower and broccoli. And giving up smoking can be
incredibly difficult for a smoker. But I, and lots of others
here, have done both or the equivalent.

You're in major denial Stacey, as are all the "poor people"
out there forced to eat Maccas and KFC because they can't
afford lettuce and can't cook cabbage properly. No problem -
you, and they, can eat what you like, smoke if you wish,
whatever.

But stop pretending it's not unhealthy, or forced on you by
lack of dollars, or anything other than personal choices you
have made and your own rationalisations to support those
choices.


Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:52:20 -0700, "Anon"
wrote:

I would have agreed with you before but not anymore. Some of the fast food
places have gotten a lot more healthy lately. I now eat at Wendy's 3-5 times
a week. I usually get a grilled chicken sandwich combo with a side salad
vice French fries, and a diet coke. Sometimes, as a treat, I get a
cheeseburger with a side salad. With the addition of salads rather than
French fries it is not that unhealthy. I am amazed at the quality of the
salad at my local Wendy's. They are crisper and fresher than I could get a
Vons across the parking lot. It is the high quality salad that keeps me
coming back.

As a plus, Wendy's gives a 10% senior citizen discount. That makes it a real
bargain for an old widow living on a fixed income who is too lazy to cook.

Anon

I've never been too lazy to cook a salad - how do Wendy's
cook theirs?


Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Anon wrote:
I would have agreed with you before but not anymore. Some of the fast food
places have gotten a lot more healthy lately. I now eat at Wendy's 3-5 times
a week.

At carl's jr i get the low carb burger and salad and drink. It's about
$6.50. I love it, but that's too expensive for a lot of people. The
salad at carl's is also excellent. For $3 those options aren't available.

As a plus, Wendy's gives a 10% senior citizen discount. That makes it a real
bargain for an old widow living on a fixed income who is too lazy to cook.

Convenience, taste, and price. It's difficult for cooking at home to
compete, which is why 50% of meals are eaten outside of the home.

Ignoramus14555 wrote:
Cabbage tastes horrible. Sorry. It looks especially shabby against a
hamburger, fries, and drink.

you simply do not know how to cook it.

And i am unlikely to learn :-) Just the smell makes me urp.

Convenience and palatability are part of the equation as well.

That would be true for a rich person as well.

True, which is why fast food is popular. But the rich person also has
the option of spending $15 a nicer restauraunt where a much wider
variety of healthier foods are available.

The easiest thing to do is to be poor, lay on the couch all day, watch
TV and eat pringles. That does not mean that there are no better
alternatives, such as the one that I mentioned.

The poor people i know work their ass off.

I am also surprised at a suggestion that FF is more convenient.
Cooking is very easy.

Disagree completely. Cooking takes regular shopping, meal planning,
preperation, and cleanup. FF is in and you are out.

Driving to a restaurant is more difficult that
putting a chicken into an oven.

If you are out already it's not difficult. And FF is very close to a lot
of people, so it's not a drive either. When i lived in a larger city i
was within 5 minutes of numerous FF joints. The number of grocery stores
has decreased by 17% in the last couple of decades while the number of
FF places has increased dramatically. So we can see the preferences
people actually show. I think it's great you like to cook though.

For about $1, you can eat a pound of potatoes and a pound of chicken.
Rice and bread cost next to nothing.

Notice no fruits and veggies in your list? I don't really count potatoes
as a veggie, specially since i can't have them.

I mentioned cabbage also.

I blocked it out :-)

Poor third worlders do not live on fast food.

When they get the option they will.


They do not have that option because fast food is too expensive.

It's a matter of time.