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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
On Nov 5, 4:10*pm, The Master
wrote: Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. The rich benifit from an educated work force. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. So does everyone else. I said AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME... A rich man, who earns 30X my income every single year, does NOT need the infrastructure 30X more then I do. You can argue that he needs it more, and I won't fight back. But all 30X more? Come on, you can't seriously believe that... Do you? The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. The rich needs police and fire to protect their property, not wealth. As for the military, all free men need it to protect their freedom, no matter how much wealth or property they may have. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. The rich benifit from an educated work force. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. And that is 100% fair! Progressive taxes punish the rich. Even with the "tax breaks" that they get, they still pay for far more governmental services then they use. It is by their labor, by their work and investment, that social services are provided for the poor, by robing the rich of their money. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. The rich benifit from an educated work force. That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. Many of them benefit even more from corruption. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Mindlessly silly. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; Its a fact anyway. it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class Like hell there is. -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. Another pig ignorant lie. The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
On Nov 6, 10:51*am, "Rod Speed" wrote:
Mrs Irish Mike wrote The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
vOn Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Mrs Irish Mike wrote:
You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. Get a job... Then they can buy their own food. We have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. Get a better job... Then they can buy better food. Assuming ofcourse that they want to. Carls Jr is ****ing GOOD!!!! MMMMmmmm... That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. Sounds like the fault of the consumer... The corn farmer is highly subsidized, and by no means rich the family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the cheapest. I'm no fan of welfare, be it in the form of food stamps for some woman with 3 children each a different color, or a farmer who is subsidized. In both cases, it is a misuse of tax dollars. We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the basements of relatives. Get a job, they can afford a house... Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. Then perhaps we need a tax code that ENCOURAGES the rich to create jobs and invest in industry! Why would a rich man want to risk his money in an investment, if any gain would be taxed at an inane amount? It's not even worth it then! America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Bull****! Today, it is welfare collecting scum that suckon the government tit. The poor today depend on programs that were not created by FDR, but LBJ and his "great society". These people demand more and more and more, every year. And the liberals bend over backward to provide it. Credit card companies... Offer a service that customers are more then willing to pay for. purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. UNSKILLED workers can be replaced, and rightly so! Minimum wage jobs are NOT a legitimate career path, they are instead intended for highschool students entering the work force. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
Mrs Irish Mike wrote
Rod Speed wrote Mrs Irish Mike wrote The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. The rich benifit from an educated work force. That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. Many of them benefit even more from corruption. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Mindlessly silly. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; Its a fact anyway. it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class Like hell there is. -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. Another pig ignorant lie. The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. You have to see modern America. Nope, I know what its like. We have people who are hungry. The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc. We have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you burn. That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. That is just plain wrong. Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they burn. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone Like hell it is. and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. Another pig ignorant lie. The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized Like hell they are. and so the cheapest. Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all. It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor' The education system is geared to producing consumers. Another lie. Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest. That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, everything to do with what most have between their ears. We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the basements of relatives. Yep, some **** up financially. Predators prey on our children, Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their familys. marriage is a temporary thing, A viable marraige always was for hordes. government wants the man out before they will help, Another lie. strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, Always was. higher education means years of debt. Nope, it doesnt have to. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class. Another lie. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Hordes of them arent. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor. Another lie. They're free to get a decent education and a decent job which cant be outsourced. Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 years ago. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Another lie. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. Another lie. America used to be the land of opportunity. Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration rate. After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. Still can. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Another lie. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase. Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month. Laborers are expendable, They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better than that. education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. or over run with 'guest' workers. Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. Money is made by having money Thats just one way of making money. and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. And most of them never can be. Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day. Interesting reading he http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf Nope, just a complete pack of lies. |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
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"Rod Speed" wrote: Mrs Irish Mike wrote The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. The rich benifit from an educated work force. That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. Many of them benefit even more from corruption. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Mindlessly silly. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; Its a fact anyway. it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class Like hell there is. -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. Another pig ignorant lie. The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. Sure are a lot of Republican pimps around these days, not that the DNC is any better but they sometimes play the liberal card. The Republicans just want to kill any government that tries to impose regulations, like those that would have kept us out of the financial mess, that the bottom 99% are in now. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...459670/?tag=co ntent;col1 And the rich get richer According to the June 18 "Snapshot" by Lawrence Mischel, of the Economic Policy Institute, pay inequality in the U.S. continues to worsen. Huge gains at the top of the income scale have been fueled by, among other things, a surging inequality in wages. The ratio of the wage income of the top one percent of earners to that of the bottom 90 percent more than doubled between 1979 and 2006, increasing from a ratio of 9.4:1 to 19.9:1. In contrast there was relatively little change in the earnings disparity from 1947 to 1979, when wages at all levels of the economy grew apace. When it comes to the wage income of the highest of the high earners, the gap has become a chasm. In 2004, the upper one-tenth of one percent earned 70.4 times as much as the average person in the bottom 90 percent of the income scale. Just 25 years earlier in 1979, the ratio was only 21:1. In 1979 it took the highest-paid earners 12.4 days to make what most other earners did in a year; by 2004 that was accomplished in 3.7 days. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
Ain't Keptocracy grand? The only difference between Obama and Bush is
style. Bush didn't have any, but the politics remain the same. In article , Mrs Irish Mike wrote: On Nov 6, 10:51*am, "Rod Speed" wrote: Mrs Irish Mike wrote The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. The rich benifit from an educated work force. That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. Many of them benefit even more from corruption. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Mindlessly silly. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; Its a fact anyway. it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class Like hell there is. -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. Another pig ignorant lie. The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. We have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the cheapest. The education system is geared to producing consumers. Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest. We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the basements of relatives. Predators prey on our children, marriage is a temporary thing, government wants the man out before they will help, strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, higher education means years of debt. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor. Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Interesting reading he http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm |
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Slate: Ambulances for the Ample
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"Rod Speed" wrote: Mrs Irish Mike wrote Rod Speed wrote Mrs Irish Mike wrote The Master wrote Do you honestly believe that as a percentage of income a rich man uses just as much services, or even more so, then you do? Yes I do. More fool you. The rich require the infrastructure to accumulate wealth and preserve it. Nope, they can afford to pay for their own protection and usually do that too. The rich require the police and military to protect their wealth. Like hell they do. They can afford to employ their own goons to protect their wealth and the military isnt involved in protecting their wealth at all. The rich have more write-offs, tax breaks, incentives, and subsidies. Yes, but they end up paying a hell of a lot more tax than say the individuals in the bottom 20% of society too. The rich benifit from an educated work force. That depends entirely on where their wealth comes from. In some areas they benefit from having stupid uneducated consumers to buy the **** they flog, most obviously with the Waltons. They dont even need an educated work force, just being able to read and write is about all they need from most of their apes and they can afford to pay for the education of those that need better than that too. They benifit from a system of non-corruption.. Many of them benefit even more from corruption. The poor on the other hand are poor if the system in democratic, socialised or under a dictator. Mindlessly silly. Upheavel allows the chance to rise above their station. That chance is available in any modern first world country even without upheavel now. And I don't want to hear about America's upward mobility; Its a fact anyway. it may have been true when the top income tax rate was above 80%, And still is today. Look at what so many immigrants manage even today. but today there is a downward sinking of the average Americans' class Like hell there is. -- fewer middle class and greater numbers in poverty. Another pig ignorant lie. The only ones 'in poverty' today are those who are entirely dependant on welfare who are too stupid to live frugally, and 'the homeless', most of whom are quite literally barking mad, just not kept in locked wards anymore. The middle class isnt shrinking at all, it keeps increasing in numbers every single year. You have to see modern America. Nope, I know what its like. We have people who are hungry. The only hungry in modern america are those on diets and anorexics etc. We have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. Nope, obesity is due to shovelling more calories into your mouth than you burn. That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. That is just plain wrong. Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. Plenty of the obese shovel more full calories into their mouths than they burn. The corn farmer is highly subsidized, the family farm is gone Like hell it is. and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. Another pig ignorant lie. The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized Like hell they are. and so the cheapest. Another lie. A diet of rice and very little meat at all is still the cheapest and isnt subsidised at all. It just doesnt appeal to the american 'poor' The education system is geared to producing consumers. Another lie. Everyone knows the lyrics to the latest boy-band song, but few can balance a check book, let alone understand compounding intrest. That has always been true, nothing to do with the education system, everything to do with what most have between their ears. We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the basements of relatives. Yep, some **** up financially. Predators prey on our children, Nope, FAR more children are abused by their familys and those known to their familys. marriage is a temporary thing, A viable marraige always was for hordes. government wants the man out before they will help, Another lie. strip dancing is considered a valid career choice, Always was. higher education means years of debt. Nope, it doesnt have to. Bankruptcy is no longer an option for the middle class. Another lie. Living wage jobs are outsourced overseas. Hordes of them arent. Military service is one of the few opportunities for the poor. Another lie. They're free to get a decent education and a decent job which cant be outsourced. Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The average worker lives much better than the average worker did say 100 years ago. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Another lie. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. Another lie. America used to be the land of opportunity. Still is, which is why there is an immense legal and illegal immigration rate. After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. Still can. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Another lie. Credit card companies take a percentage of nearly every purchase. Another lie. The majority pay off their cards in full every month. Laborers are expendable, They always were. Which is why it makes sense to get qualified for better than that. education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. or over run with 'guest' workers. Which is why it makes sense to train for a job that cant be. Money is made by having money Thats just one way of making money. and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. And most of them never can be. Upward mobilty is not a fact of life in America anymore. Another lie. Have a look at what the immigrant do every day. Interesting reading he http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...tyAnalysis.pdf Nope, just a complete pack of lies. Another Republican pimp. Just get rid of all regulations and see how good it will be, he will promise you. Who needs to keep commercial and investment banks separate, anyway? Apparently, 99% of us did. Wasn't it interesting that bankruptcy laws were changed just before home loans went belly up. It's almost like some one knew 18 months in advance, what was happening and did nothing to stop it. Vote the *******s out and vote third party. -- ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm |
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The Master wrote: vOn Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Mrs Irish Mike wrote: You have to see modern America. We have people who are hungry. Get a job... Then they can buy their own food. We have obese people because they are corn fed junk, everything has high fructose corn syrup in it. Get a better job... Then they can buy better food. Assuming ofcourse that they want to. Carls Jr is ****ing GOOD!!!! MMMMmmmm... If you like junk food. That is why we have so many obese people, they crave nutrition, so they eat. Instead of nutrition, they get empty calories. Sounds like the fault of the consumer... The corn farmer is highly subsidized, and by no means rich the family farm is gone and all they is remaining are food factories that turn out corn, corn fed animals and corn by-products. The poor in this country are fat because the non-nutrious foods are subsidized and so the cheapest. I'm no fan of welfare, be it in the form of food stamps for some woman with 3 children each a different color, or a farmer who is subsidized. In both cases, it is a misuse of tax dollars. We have entire families living in cars, under bridges, and in the basements of relatives. Get a job, they can afford a house... Today the average CEO makes more than 400 times the wage of an average worker. The unemployment rate is given to be 10% but may be in reality above 25%. Those who work are only a paycheck or two from being homeless. Then perhaps we need a tax code that ENCOURAGES the rich to create jobs and invest in industry! Why would a rich man want to risk his money in an investment, if any gain would be taxed at an inane amount? It's not even worth it then! America used to be the land of opportunity. After WWII, the idea was that by hard work, frugal living, innovation and a little luck, one could buy a house, raise a family, send the children to college and retire in comfort. Today, it is investors who take the lion's share of the wealth. Bull****! Today, it is welfare collecting scum that suckon the government tit. The poor today depend on programs that were not created by FDR, but LBJ and his "great society". These people demand more and more and more, every year. And the liberals bend over backward to provide it. Credit card companies... Offer a service that customers are more then willing to pay for. purchase. Laborers are expendable, education is useless when the job you train for is out sourced or over run with 'guest' workers. Money is made by having money and the worker is tolerated only until he can be replaced. UNSKILLED workers can be replaced, and rightly so! Minimum wage jobs are NOT a legitimate career path, they are instead intended for highschool students entering the work force. -- "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm |
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