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Doug Freese wrote:
Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and exercise typically have bonking problems. this depends on a host of factors such as duration/intensity length of adaptation It's the bodies way to tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active individuals to your average obese person. Also consider what amounts of carbs are actually necessary. Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)? Say walking briskly for 30' three times per week. How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that? Lyle |
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In article , Lyle McDonald wrote:
Doug Freese wrote: Stop by a local foot race some day. The vast majority of these people are far from obese and the ones that are have taken the first step by participating. Are we all genetically gifted and eating a low carb diet? Hell no, in fact those that have tried low carbs and exercise typically have bonking problems. this depends on a host of factors such as duration/intensity length of adaptation It's the bodies way to tell you, please some carbs. Unless you want to claim that exercise is bad for you and I'm sure you're not agenda blinded, then tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. your argument is simplistic at best. You're using fairly active individuals to your average obese person. Also consider what amounts of carbs are actually necessary. Forget about runners (or athletes of any color), what about the average person who may be exercising not at all or only minimal amounts (either because they are unwilling, or because they are too heavy)? Say walking briskly for 30' three times per week. How many carbs do they need on a daily basis to sustain that? To Doug -- just dropping you a friendly hint: read this post carefully. Lyle is NOT agreeing with the other guy, or blaming carbs for the obesity crisis, he's trying to help you see the big picture. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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Doug Freese wrote: tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long- distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on low-carb, but that's not too difficult. -- soc.singles FAQ [ Nyx Net, free ISP ] Misc.Fitness.Weights page www.trygve.com/ssfaq.html [ http://www.nyx.net ] www.trygve.com/mfw.html today's feature, End Unwanted Hair Woes with Satellite Laser Hair Removal: http://www.trygve.com/laserhairremoval.html |
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Robert Dorf wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:41:31 GMT, Tom Morley wrote: Lyle McDonald wrote: Lady o' the house wrote: I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a 'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me. If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search for low carb diet). No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****. Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it. Lyle Atkins was his own worst enemy. Though the hunchback with the trench coat and the chain saw ran a close second. Well, yes, there is of course, him. -- Tom Morley | Same roads | Same rights | Same rules AIM: DocTDM |
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jmk wrote in message ...
On 12/16/2003 12:11 PM, tcomeau wrote: (gman99) wrote in message ... wrote: I'm such a skeptic about diet and nutritional claims (because so many are bogus) but am interested in this Low carb mania that seems to be popular these days. I notice that in the supermarkets there are new products touting themselves as "Low Carb" with the insinuation that that will help with weight control. As I understand it, low carb foods tend to lessen the "amplitude" of blood insulin levels which can cause hunger signals and consequently cause a person to eat more. If that's true, isn't the bottom line STILL calories "in" versus calories "out" or is there something else that the low carb diet does? Low carb / low fat....doesn't matter. The ONLY way to lose / maintaina / gain weoght is to create a calorie deficit / balance / surplus !!!! Sure, why not. This methodology only fails 95 or more percent of the time. "What we found was that most people who achieved long-term weight loss success did so by consuming a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet," said Holly Wyatt, M.D., assistant professor of Medicine, University of Colorado. "Very few successful weight loss maintainers ate a low-carbohydrate, high-protein/fat diet." http://www.naaso.org/news/20001030.asp "Available data suggest that long-term weight loss is most consistently achieved by adherence to a fat-restricted diet abundant in grains, vegetables, and fruit, along with regular physical activity, a lifestyle notably conducive to the promotion of overall health." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract If you want to lose weight the probable best way is to do a little more and eat a little less...PERIOD. There's nothing magical about ANY diet plan, just remember there's nothing temporary about it. Losing weight and maintaining a lower weight typically requires a LIFESTYLE change....FOR LIFE !! Yeah, and starving yourself can easily become a lifestyle, sure. Unlike eating enough protein and fat in the diet to actually feel satiated after a meal and not gorge on sugary carbs every hour or so. Yep, starvation should definitely be looked upon as an attainable goal and lifestyle. Environmental Nutrition, May 2003 v26 i5 p1 Calories do count more than carbohydrates. "The weight lost while on low-carb diets, such as the popular Atkins Diet, results mostly from eating fewer calories and sticking with the diet as long as possible, not in limiting carbohydrates per se, say researchers from Stanford and Yale Universities. "The researchers analyzed 107 studies published on low-carbohydrate diets in the past 35 years. They found that the diets of those who lost the most weight (22 pounds or more, on average) varied widely in carbohydrate content, up to 60 grams a day. What they all had in common, however, was that calories were restricted to about 1,100 per day and the diets lasted about four to five months." I've noticed that since I've been pointing out on-going and consistent conflicts of interests on the part of researchers that consistently publish studies that attack low-carb diets, people conveniently omit the names of researchers whenever they reference any studies or research. How strange. TC |
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the tree by the river wrote:
In article , Doug Freese wrote: tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long- distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on low-carb, but that's not too difficult. runner are a bunch of pussies? Lyle |
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"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message
... MrMorgan wrote: You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING and loose weight. People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body, Toxins, eh? Yeah, obesity is caused by toxins, or in few cases demonic possesion. /Jacob |
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In article , Jacob Andersen wrote:
"Lyle McDonald" wrote in message ... MrMorgan wrote: You should be a skeptic, everybody is just looking for the easy way to do it. Look at the "epidemic" of OBESITY in America. They don't want to work at anything, just lay around with the feed bag on and then try to do NOTHING and loose weight. People need to realize that you need to get up and do SOMETHING like EXERCISE and SWEAT to force the toxins out of their body, Toxins, eh? Yeah, obesity is caused by toxins, or in few cases demonic possesion. It's that voodoo doll I have. Send me some money, and I'll stop force-feeding it. -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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In article , Lyle McDonald wrote:
the tree by the river wrote: In article , Doug Freese wrote: tell me why the body fails to run smoothly when revved up with exercise on low carbs? Toss in some ketosis, go for nice long run, and call 911 before you leave. It's like adding water to your gas tank and wondering why the engine does not run right. How come I've never noticed this? Granted, I do a lot more long- distance bicycling than marathon running, but I certainly don't stop doing it when I'm on low-carb. I often need to take in some extra minerals (notably potassium) when doing a distance event on low-carb, but that's not too difficult. runner are a bunch of pussies? See ya at the endurance weenie Christmas party, Lyle. Keep an eye out for us runner -- we're the guys with hairy legs who are eating your portion of Xmas pudding while you agonise over the carbs in the apple sauce that comes with your serve of pork(-; Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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I have the atkins book and was thinking about giving it a try. I have read
it and he does have some good ideas and points in it. Don't let any one who has been on the diet or read his book tell u that it no good there a support gorup u can check out to more advice here it is alt.support.diet. low-carb alot of the people there are on the diet and have lost alot of weight and can give u advice on it. hope this helps angie "Tom Morley" wrote in message nk.net... Lyle McDonald wrote: Lady o' the house wrote: I started low carbing 2 months ago because I didn't feel good. I was a 'pasta and pretzel queen' and I was hungry all the time. My brother has lost about 50 pounds on the Atkins diet and he persuaded me to try it. I definitely feel better eating fewer carbs and I have lost 16 pounds. Low carbing may not work for everyone but it's working for me. If you are interested in first reading about low carb dieting (I did so before starting), check out Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution or one of the other low carb diet books (you can find titles on Amazon.com---just search for low carb diet). No, don't check out Atkins book, it's a piece of ****. Get Protein Power by the Eades. It only has one or two errors in it. Lyle Atkins was his own worst enemy. -- Tom Morley | Same roads | Same rights | Same rules AIM: DocTDM |
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