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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
ipse dixit wrote:
... One of my over-eating problems How many do you have, fatso? is that it takes me longer than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. You're a self-indulgent, self-crippled slob whose god is his own belly. Most veg-ns lose weight. You're still growing immensely. Your gluttony is probably related to your low self-esteem which stems from your dole-scrounging. Also, I like the taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites? Try some self-control and responsibility, tubby. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck! As I noted above, you thoroughly lack self-control. If it's not cigarettes, it's food. If it's not food, you'll be downloading pornos all day like you used to. BTW, did you ever tell Belinda that you wank on her computer? |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:46 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote: [..] You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites? I understand what you mean. I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half, well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people.I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck! That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with the other supposedly. My only replacement is aniseed balls. I use them as a substitute for the fags, but I must admit I do eat more during mealtimes I've also heard that smoking can help people to be thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before. but the other bad effects like stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros. I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick afterward too.. Sorry to hear about your Gran. If she's got emphysema, is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like) is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-( |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
Rubystars wrote:
"Gooserider" wrote in message m... "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er, "Eva Whitley" wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs, weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat much" but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000 cals/day just to maintain. You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity burn up fairly well known amounts of calories. Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical NECESSITY. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. That is not difficult, provided one REALLY wants to know it. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. If you cut your caloric intake to something less than your caloric expenditure, you NECESSARILY will lose weight. The caloric intake and the caloric expenditure are highly variable, and people who cut their caloric intake but don't lose weight NECESSARILY are still consuming more in calories than they burn. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Add to this the contradictory claims made by various "Experts" on what should be eaten, how much, and when, and it can be extremely hard to figure it all out. Besides, food is only part of the picture. They need to exercise too. If they tried exercising, they'd burn more calories no matter how much they ate. -Rubystars |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
ipse dixit wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:46 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote: "ipse dixit" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote: [..] You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. That's because you're an undisciplined glutton, and have been your whole life. Also, I like the taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites? For the same reason no one has invented a self-discipline pill: it wouldn't work, and you wouldn't take it if it did. Self-discipline comes from *within*, you stupid ******. I understand what you mean. I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. You've a thing for disgusting gluttony. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people.I went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at all. Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck! That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with the other supposedly. My only replacement is aniseed balls. I use them as a substitute for the fags, but I must admit I do eat more during mealtimes I've also heard that smoking can help people to be thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. Forget it. You are a lard-fried couch potato, and you always shall be. I've never really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before. You've never tried anything MEANINGFUL in your life, you pillock. |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:20:39 GMT, Jonathan Ball
announced in front of God and everybody: Rubystars wrote: They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity burn up fairly well known amounts of calories. Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical NECESSITY. I love it when people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about get positively vehement in defending their ignorance. It's why I love Usenet so very, very much. Dawn |
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Oh, brother (I roll my eyes)
"ipse dixit" wrote in message snip I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half, well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off. The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard (I was used to around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc. but it got a lot easier. I can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk. snip I've also heard that smoking can help people to be thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before. You can take an active role in "being active" rather than waiting to feel like it. I almost never feel like exercising, but I do it because I need to. but the other bad effects like stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros. I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick afterward too.. Sorry to hear about your Gran. Thanks. If she's got emphysema, She doesn't anymore. She's dead. is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like) is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-( Kind of sounds like she was a pink puffer. She had to "puff" for breath every few minutes when she was talking. She was pretty scrawny, but then, she only ate once a day when she was at home. I don't think she had the energy to cook more than that. She lit up all day long though. One after another. She even tried to smoke when she went on oxygen a couple of times. She could've exploded our house, but I don't blame her, she had dementia and alzheimers too at that point, so she didn't really know what she was doing. I don't know if it was advanced age or "muscle wasting" from the emphysema that caused her to be weak (probably a combination of both) but she couldn't even open our refrigerator without help. -Rubystars |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:51:51 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote in message snip I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half, well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off. The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard I'll bet! I can't do 1500 kebabs/day. Respect - Wendy. (I was used to around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc. "growling" - after 2500 kebabs per day? Blimey, so would mine, old girl. Are we talking calories here? but it got a lot easier. I can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk. Maybe. If you don't mind my hypocritical preaching for a minute; dieting is for whimps. I reckon the only way to lose weight is to burn it off with regular exercise. Eat until you're full, but make sure you burn it off afterwards. The diet will look after itself if you work your body hard and regularly. [sorry to hear about your Gran. snip] |
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Dawn Taylor wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:20:39 GMT, Jonathan Ball announced in front of God and everybody: Rubystars wrote: They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity burn up fairly well known amounts of calories. Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical NECESSITY. I love it when people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about I do know what I'm talking about. There is no great mystery to weight loss. A cheeseburger of a given size provides the same number of calories to me as it does to you; moving your 120kg laterally for 4 miles on foot - that's called "walking", fatso - burns even *more* calories for you than it does for me (68kg). Stop making excuses for your girth. You are overweight because you won't consume fewer calories than you burn. It's that simple. What ISN'T simple is any explanation for your excuse-making. Some view it as bad character; it might be. |
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Rubystars wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote in message snip I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half, well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off. The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard (I was used to around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc. but it got a lot easier. I can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk. An *initial* feeling of fullness has nothing to do with your stomach literally being "full"; it has to do with some of the food you've eaten shutting down the chemical reaction that causes you to feel hungry. WHENVER you eat to the point your stomach feels "full", you've overeaten. snip I've also heard that smoking can help people to be thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy) I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before. You can take an active role in "being active" rather than waiting to feel like it. I almost never feel like exercising, but I do it because I need to. but the other bad effects like stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros. I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick afterward too.. Sorry to hear about your Gran. Thanks. If she's got emphysema, She doesn't anymore. She's dead. is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like) is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-( Kind of sounds like she was a pink puffer. She had to "puff" for breath every few minutes when she was talking. She was pretty scrawny, but then, she only ate once a day when she was at home. I don't think she had the energy to cook more than that. She lit up all day long though. One after another. She even tried to smoke when she went on oxygen a couple of times. She could've exploded our house, but I don't blame her, she had dementia and alzheimers too at that point, so she didn't really know what she was doing. I don't know if it was advanced age or "muscle wasting" from the emphysema that caused her to be weak (probably a combination of both) but she couldn't even open our refrigerator without help. -Rubystars |
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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message hlink.net... Rubystars wrote: "Gooserider" wrote in message m... "Doug Lerner" wrote in message ... On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article er, "Eva Whitley" wrote: The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden. Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they know any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some... I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting low-cal. I *gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet - especially a lacto-vegetarian diet. Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream or brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs, weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat much" but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000 cals/day just to maintain. You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still maintain or even gain weight. They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being fat that's hard to get past. Sorry. This is simply not true. I think some people have more of a natural tendency than others. This can be seen in families who don't have bad eating habits but still nearly every member of the family is big, even the young children. My sister had a friend whose family was like that. They were all huge (not fat, huge), even though they were all trying very hard. It could have been a gland problem that ran in the family, etc. They said the doctor had said they had thyroid issues. Foods have known caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity burn up fairly well known amounts of calories. Yes, if people take the effort and time to learn all that (often contradictory) information, to sift the truth out, then they can make an eating/exercise plan that will work for them. Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical NECESSITY. That's true. People can increase their metabolism, or decrease it, but I think some people have a higher natural metabolism than other people, and so there is a different range available for different people. Also some people don't have any natural mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to actually learn it before they can control their intake. That is not difficult, provided one REALLY wants to know it. They may not even know they have a problem with portion control until they get really big, and then they're bombarded with different people trying to take their money away to fix the overweight problem, without fixing the issue that caused it. They may never learn what a regular sized portion is unless they take the time to find out that specific information. It's extremely easy to gain weight, and it's difficult to lose it. It takes no effort at all to gain, it can take monumental effort to lose. So they spend their money and time on a bunch of fad diets and just get bigger and bigger and in the mean time they never really learn how much they should eat, etc. Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. If you cut your caloric intake to something less than your caloric expenditure, you NECESSARILY will lose weight. Yes, burning more calories than you consume sounds pretty easy, doesn't it? It's not. In order to do that you have to know how much you can eat, how many calories you can eat and still lose, what are good types of exercise (walking, for example). Some people cut their food intake, but not enough, or are eating smaller portions of high calorie foods, and they are frustrated because they're unsatisified with the portions they eat but still gain weight. I mean, let's say someone ate 2 patio burritos for lunch every day, heated up in the microwave with melted cheese over it. They cut it down to one burrito. They still might not lose weight or stop gaining because it may not be enough of a drop in calories/fat intake to help them. The caloric intake and the caloric expenditure are highly variable, and people who cut their caloric intake but don't lose weight NECESSARILY are still consuming more in calories than they burn. Yes that's true! It's just that it takes effort and research to find out how many calories you can consume, what kinds of foods are more bulky but lower in fat and calories, etc. It takes no effort at all to buy what tastes good and eat as much as you want to feel full. So people who don't have the knowledge base to work from are at a disadvantage. The internet can make it a lot easier, but in some ways it may make it more difficult, as there are also a lot of diet scams being promoted over the internet. -Rubystars |
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