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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:52 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
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Gallstones & possible gall bladder surgery
Heart Palpitations
Reduction of muscle. At such low calorie levels the body has no choice
but to burn muscle in addition to fat.

It's much healthier to lose slower.

Check the government food pyramid for recommended calorie levels for
losing and maintaining. A 6 foot male will need significantly more than
2000 calories per day to maintain for example. If you are exercising
you will need even more.


Just a quick check of the (US) government food pyramid shows about 2000
calories for a sedentary male to lose weight and somewhat more to
maintain.


I see. I'll probably do 2500 or whatever it is to maintain, when I get
there.
At this point, I genuinely haven't done much research on what's the proper
calorie intake for a 75 - 80kg 6' male.
I vaguely remember checking one calculator, just out of curiosity, which
said a 77kg, 6' male has a BMR of about 1700 (plus calories for walking,
exercise and all the rest)
I do wonder about the food pyramid thing, if it's only saying 2000
calories for any 6' male. A 70kg man and a 270kg man will have vastly
different calorie requirements, even if they're the same height.


Yes it is different but I was taking a male at roughly your weight. You can
put in your own numbers and come up with values to lose and values to
maintain appropriate to your age, height, and current weight. The website
is www.mypyramid.gov. It is a US site but that should not matter as I
believe it does allow you to input weight in KG.

Point is, the 'maintaining' number of calories I mentioned was chosen
almost at random. There's far too many variables for me to figure out,
now, how many calories I'll need to eat once I'm at my ideal weight. (And
that will change, too, depending on how much I want to continue with
bodybuilding, if I take up any other sports, etc.)


The food pyramid site gives you a starting point and allows you to factor in
activity. There are LOTS of other sites on the internet that also help you
out there. First start figuring out your initial calories required to lose
(and you will need to redo as you lose weight). Then when you get to the
weight you wish to be, calculate that with one of the sites. Again they
allow you to enter in activity. Then see how it goes and make adjustments
to stabilize. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOOT IN THE DARK. The info is out there.


Also, I don't think I mentioned, but I'm only 26. That's part of why I
think it's so crucial for me to lose weight now, while it's reasonably
easy for my body to handle it.


Even young people can develop gall bladder issues and heart palpitations if
they diet too severely.

The alternative, realistically, would be for me to continue having little
attempts at dieting for the next 5 or 10 or 20 years (just like the last
five years,) lose a little weight, gain a little, etc. and eventually
realise that a serious diet like this is the only thing that can work for
me. (Of course, realising that when I'm 30 or 40 or 50 would mean my body
would be even less capable of taking the strain)


Good, healthy weight loss is slow weight loss regardless of age at a rate of
1/2 to 2 pounds per week. Faster puts you at risk even if you are young. I
am 58 and have lost 69 pounds since the beginning of March 2009.

As you all probably know, good dieting is as much (actually, I think,
more) about the psychology than it is about the physical. I know (from 5
or 6 years trying) that a 'physically' ideal diet (losing weight a
kilogram or two a month) simply will not work for me 'psychologically.'


It would be reasonable and healthy to lose a kilogram every week or two.

No matter how you lose the weight, you will need to make permanent changes
to your eating habits anyway to keep it off. So might as well lose the
weight sensibly and quit fretting about the rate.


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Old March 16th, 2009, 08:59 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stephanie[_2_]
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Lavender, Lord of Darkness wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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This is an unhealthy level of restriction. You may be fine now but
longer term you are probably in for some health issues from it.


How do you mean 'longer term'?

I estimate reaching my goal-weight somewhere between 2 and 4 months
from now. Then it's exactly 1 week without any worrying about diet,
followed by a more healthy diet for the rest of my life (probably
2000cal, if I keep up the body-building)



i am curious about your desire to loose so quickly. What is the motivator to
risk a less healthy weight loss?


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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:06 PM posted to alt.support.diet.weightwatchers
Stephanie[_2_]
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Lavender, Lord of Darkness wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Gallstones & possible gall bladder surgery
Heart Palpitations
Reduction of muscle. At such low calorie levels the body has no
choice but to burn muscle in addition to fat.

It's much healthier to lose slower.

Check the government food pyramid for recommended calorie levels for
losing and maintaining. A 6 foot male will need significantly more
than 2000 calories per day to maintain for example. If you are
exercising you will need even more.


Just a quick check of the (US) government food pyramid shows about
2000 calories for a sedentary male to lose weight and somewhat more
to maintain.


I see. I'll probably do 2500 or whatever it is to maintain, when I get
there.
At this point, I genuinely haven't done much research on what's the
proper calorie intake for a 75 - 80kg 6' male.
I vaguely remember checking one calculator, just out of curiosity,
which said a 77kg, 6' male has a BMR of about 1700 (plus calories for
walking, exercise and all the rest)
I do wonder about the food pyramid thing, if it's only saying 2000
calories for any 6' male. A 70kg man and a 270kg man will have vastly
different calorie requirements, even if they're the same height.

Point is, the 'maintaining' number of calories I mentioned was chosen
almost at random. There's far too many variables for me to figure
out, now, how many calories I'll need to eat once I'm at my ideal
weight. (And that will change, too, depending on how much I want to
continue with bodybuilding, if I take up any other sports, etc.)


Also, I don't think I mentioned, but I'm only 26. That's part of why
I think it's so crucial for me to lose weight now, while it's
reasonably easy for my body to handle it.
The alternative, realistically, would be for me to continue having
little attempts at dieting for the next 5 or 10 or 20 years (just
like the last five years,) lose a little weight, gain a little, etc.
and eventually realise that a serious diet like this is the only
thing that can work for me. (Of course, realising that when I'm 30 or
40 or 50 would mean my body would be even less capaI think you are making
a mistake thinking ble of taking the
strain)



Many people have lost weight without the eextremities to which you want to
go. I think you are making a mistake to think your only two choices are
extreme and failure.

Have you tried follwing a diet *prograam*? I am currently starting weight
watchers tomorrow. I lost a boat load of wewight a few years ago. But i
stopped eating as well and have gained a teeny bit. I want to nip that in
the bud. I like it because it is prescibed so that all you have to do is DO
it. You plan meals and track your intake etc.. one I liked better was the
Zone Diet and is likely a good choice for a body builder. There is protein
in every meal, and that is necessary to support your muscle development.

Before you do this sextreme starvation thing, take a real sturdy look at why
you were unsuccessful at meeting your fat loss goals with the dieting you
have been doing that, and solve *that* problem. In my opinion, only, of
course.


As you all probably know, good dieting is as much (actually, I think,
more) about the psychology than it is about the physical. I know
(from 5 or 6 years trying) that a 'physically' ideal diet (losing
weight a kilogram or two a month) simply will not work for me
'psychologically.'



I don't think the psychology is set in stone either. In iorder to eat
ridiculously small amounts, you will have to calculate and track. Calculate
and track at healthy levels.


 




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