WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public Discourse on Matters of Public Health

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u.edu...
We know we know, we still seek one example of a newsgroup post where
industry is sending posters in the way the original author suggested
to
make further discussion aside from gossip and speculation possible.
.


"If you can't see them by reading, you are hopeless."

We know we know, now we need someone with the "special magic glasses" to
point we the blind to one example in the real world so we can discuss
it. I "see" some "alternative" supporters being challendged on the
science of their claims, are those the "pharmabloggers"?


Challenged?

Challenge on the base that they state that prescription drugs are not
dangerous even though officially classified as such by the FDA.
Challenge on the basis that all drugs are safe.
Challenge on the base that NO supplements are advantageous.
Challenge on the base that the average American does not need supplements.

Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well, yes,
many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing their own
hype.


There is a wide difference.

Drugs have their place. Drugs to the exclusion of "alternate" methods is a
con by those who are supported by the drug or AMA industry.

Many, many Doctors disagree with the drug sale pitch as well as most
researchers within drug companies.

We know we know, now we need someone with the "special magic glasses"
to
point we the blind to one example in the real world so we can discuss
it. I "see" some "alternative" supporters being challendged on the
science of their claims, are those the "pharmabloggers"?

"Challenged?

Challenge on the base that they state that prescription drugs are not
dangerous even though officially classified as such by the FDA.
Challenge on the basis that all drugs are safe.
Challenge on the base that NO supplements are advantageous.
Challenge on the base that the average American does not need
supplements.

Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well,
yes,
many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing their
own
hype.


There is a wide difference.

Drugs have their place. Drugs to the exclusion of "alternate" methods
is a
con by those who are supported by the drug or AMA industry.

Many, many Doctors disagree with the drug sale pitch as well as most
researchers within drug companies."

We know we know, now show us at least one of those sent by the drug
industry as the subject of this thread charges so we can have an example
to discuss. I see people challenging the claims of some "alternative"
poster's on the basis of scientific validity, are those the
"pharmabloggers"? Are they such when they only cast a critical eye on
those claims without supporting any drug or marketing practice in the
least?

wrote in message
u.edu...
We know we know, now we need someone with the "special magic glasses"
to
point we the blind to one example in the real world so we can discuss
it. I "see" some "alternative" supporters being challendged on the
science of their claims, are those the "pharmabloggers"?

"Challenged?

Challenge on the base that they state that prescription drugs are not
dangerous even though officially classified as such by the FDA.
Challenge on the basis that all drugs are safe.
Challenge on the base that NO supplements are advantageous.
Challenge on the base that the average American does not need
supplements.

Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well,
yes,
many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing their
own
hype.


There is a wide difference.

Drugs have their place. Drugs to the exclusion of "alternate" methods
is a
con by those who are supported by the drug or AMA industry.

Many, many Doctors disagree with the drug sale pitch as well as most
researchers within drug companies."

We know we know, now show us at least one of those sent by the drug
industry as the subject of this thread charges so we can have an example
to discuss. I see people challenging the claims of some "alternative"
poster's on the basis of scientific validity, are those the
"pharmabloggers"? Are they such when they only cast a critical eye on
those claims without supporting any drug or marketing practice in the
least?

Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well,
yes,
many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing their
own
hype.


TAKE YOUR CHOICE

We know we know, now show us at least one of those sent by the drug
industry as the subject of this thread charges so we can have an
example
to discuss. I see people challenging the claims of some "alternative"
poster's on the basis of scientific validity, are those the
"pharmabloggers"? Are they such when they only cast a critical eye on
those claims without supporting any drug or marketing practice in the
least?

"Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well,
yes, many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing
their own hype.


TAKE YOUR CHOICE"

We know we know, just one example please for discussion purposes. Show
us how the subjectline works by one example post by an industry sent
"pharmablogger" please. So, if someone is critical of the "alternative"
industry unsupported claims on scientific grounds then they are stupid
or in the pay of someone?

wrote in message
u.edu...
We know we know, now show us at least one of those sent by the drug
industry as the subject of this thread charges so we can have an
example
to discuss. I see people challenging the claims of some "alternative"
poster's on the basis of scientific validity, are those the
"pharmabloggers"? Are they such when they only cast a critical eye on
those claims without supporting any drug or marketing practice in the
least?

"Intensely stupid or paid. I can't imagine any one that stupid. Well,
yes, many otherwise intelligent sales people start actually believing
their own hype.


TAKE YOUR CHOICE"

We know we know, just one example please for discussion purposes. Show
us how the subjectline works by one example post by an industry sent
"pharmablogger" please. So, if someone is critical of the "alternative"
industry unsupported claims on scientific grounds then they are stupid
or in the pay of someone?



I said NOTHING about just being critical.
If you can't see them (The pharm pushers / anti supplement), you have a BIG
problem.
Stupid or paid, take your choice. Choice three is stupid and paid.

Now, go get an education, especially in how to take care of yourself and
THEN go to a doctor when ALL ELSE fails.

Doctors are not gods.
Drugs are not a panacea.

EVERY attempt should be made to find out what YOU need. You were NOT born
with a deficiency in ANY marketed drug. You WERE born with a need for
certain supplements.
Also find what 3 sigma and 6 sigma means and apply it. KNOW that it APPLIES
to the TOTAL population.
The educated know that the edges are the ones and only ones who require
"PRESCRIPTION" drugs. Also the edges need way more of certain non-dangerous
supplements.
The fact that some waste money on supplements is different than many who
take prescription drugs (prescription MEANS CONTROL)

There are many schools and books.

See you in a couple years.

Like I say. It is VERY obvious that you are totally uneducated in the
health regime.

We know we know, just one example please for discussion purposes.
Show
us how the subjectline works by one example post by an industry sent
"pharmablogger" please. So, if someone is critical of the
"alternative"
industry unsupported claims on scientific grounds then they are stupid
or in the pay of someone?



"I said NOTHING about just being critical. If you can't see them (The
pharm pushers / anti supplement), you have a BIG problem. Stupid or
paid, take your choice. Choice three is stupid and paid.

Now, go get an education, especially in how to take care of yourself and
THEN go to a doctor when ALL ELSE fails.

Doctors are not gods. Drugs are not a panacea.

EVERY attempt should be made to find out what YOU need. You were NOT
born with a deficiency in ANY marketed drug. You WERE born with a need
for certain supplements. Also find what 3 sigma and 6 sigma means and
apply it. KNOW that it APPLIES to the TOTAL population. The educated
know that the edges are the ones and only ones who require
"PRESCRIPTION" drugs. Also the edges need way more of certain
non-dangerous supplements. The fact that some waste money on supplements
is different than many who take prescription drugs (prescription MEANS
CONTROL)

There are many schools and books.

See you in a couple years.

Like I say. It is VERY obvious that you are totally uneducated in the
health regime."

We know we know, for us poor ignorant folk plese do illuminate our
darkness with even one example of what the subject of this thread claims
so we can be as smart as you and for which you should be amptlly
positioned to do with all that superior mental stuff happening.


I want to be able to spot those raving evil "pharmabloggers" so I don't
get pulled into their propaganda when they post in these newsgroups. It
is your moral duty as superior and more informed in these matters to
help we ignorant and weak and so vulnerable inferiors to be cued into by
example their evil ways of leading us around.

P.S. find out how to use your news group reader. Mark previous posts as not
yours.

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative wrote:

: : The last time this was posted the author was asked to provide an example
: : by which this "shotgun" approach could be illustrated, it is of yet not
: : forthcoming.

: When has the author been forthcoming about *anything*?

: Have you posted a new thread with your links as requested, or will you
: make excuses for not having my address for postal delivery?

I posted the journal references. For anyone with a high school education,
that should have been sufficient. For you, I posted links to the web
locations of the articles themselves. If you are not sufficiently competent
in your use of Google to be able to find that post, that's your problem,
not mine. I am not going to do any more of your homework for you than
I already have.


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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter."
-- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_

In misc.health.alternative PeterB wrote:

: I don't push products, I merely point out the differences between drugs
: and nutrients.

What deficiency disease is caused by a lack of "Vitamin B17" in the diet?

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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

Mark Probert wrote:
PeterB wrote:
WARNING: Industry Is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

Petey, I hope one day that someone takes pity on you and writes a song
of the quality of the Edmund Fitzgerald about your shipwreck.

Good rational, scientific response. You must represent pharmaceutical
companies.