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Old June 22nd, 2007, 08:57 PM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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Default anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?

my take on anorexia.

some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more
weight.
but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as
ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat
perse but ugliness.
it's rooted in her psyche that what remains unappealing about her is
tied to weight. so, even when she has lost alot of weight, she sees
ugliness and tries to burn that away. so, she starves more. it's a
kind of self-defeating process because losing weight makes one uglier.
but, it's been rooted in her head that nothing good can come of
gaining weight. she associates weight gain with fattiness. so, she
thinks the solution to her increasing ugliness is more weight loss.
so, she diets more and more. of course, her ugliness is still there--
and even growing worse and more gross--so more dieting does her no
good. so, she diets even more cuz it's been seared into her skull that
the only way to look less ugly is by losing more weight.
it's like someone who's told that being smart is good. so he studies
and studies. but, he studies too much and his head begins to get
overworked and his brain gets wearier and worse. but, he thinks that
only studying more and more will make him smarter so he studies more
even when his brain is dead-tired and needs some rest/fun. he doesn't
realize that it's the too-much-studying that is making him stupid.
that TOO-MUCH-studying is actually counter-productive to being smart.

anorextic person has a strong sense of ideal. if she fails to match
that ideal, she gets all anxious. it's not about fat but ugliness. to
gain that ideal, she tries to lose weight, thinking that losing more
fat will rub out more of that ugliness. but, of course, that is not
true. ugliness is still there. so she diets more and more. ugliness
is still there and so on and so on.
it's like someone who thinks his hand is dirty so washes it and washes
it. washes it until he's rubbed all the skin off. but, then he finds
flesh and he wants to wash that off to.
in a way, it's like buddhism where you try to erase all illusions from
consciousness. anorexia is like a purification of the self of
ugliness.
in a way, it's a realization that the problem isn't just the fat but
muscle. it's said beauty is skin deep but it's really muscle deep.
so, an ugly person equates one's muscles with ugliness and wants that
gone too.

with guys, it's the opposite. among guys, handsomity is equated with
muscle. so, guys who are obsessive about looks go into to gym and pump
iron more and more. now, this isn't as bad as dieting like a lunatic
but there are major risks with guys too. there's alot of exercise
related injury from too much exercise. there are too many cases of
steroid use and other abuse.
and just as women who are anorextic look grotesquely boney, guys who
are anabolic look grotesquely brawny. they look like caricatures of
manhood. again, being anabolic at least won't kill you. but, the
mentality behind both anorexia and anabolia is the obsession of
attaining some perfection based on some ideal. girl thinks her
ugliness can be erased by losing more fat and even muscle. guy thinks
his ugliness can be overcome or buried under mounds of muscle. in
both cases, the main theme is ugliness. ugly is ugly, whether fat or
wimpy. now, being less fat makes a naturally ugly person more
attractive but not really attractive. but, there is this idea among
anorexic girls that losing fat is akin to losing ugliness.
oftentimes, you have an ugly girl who's overweight. she feels fat and
ugly. suppose she loses some weight. by golly, she looks better.
ugly and slim is, after all, better than ugly and fat. but, she gets
to thinking that losing fat = better looks. so, she keeps losing
weight thinking that losing more weight means she will get prettier.
but, ugly is ugly. you can lose all the fat, flesh, and muscle you
want. if you is ugly, you is ugly. much of it has to do with bone
structure. you might as well get rid of your own bones.

it's not only or really about weight but about ugliness. of course,
weight itself is a major factor in determining one's sense of beauty.
but, it's only a factor. when a skinny girl keeps wanting to lose
weight, it's not really about losing fat. it's about losing ugliness.
now, she won't confess that this is so because no girl wants to say
'i'm ugly and wanna lose my ugliness'. they say 'i'm fat and wanna
lose more fat', as if losing more fat will improve her looks. but,
when there is no more fat but only muscle and bones left and she still
insists on losing weight, it's about losing ugliness. she's trying to
purge the very structure of her face and body made of skin, muscles,
and bones.
she's desperate in hoping that if she makes it thru another regimen of
weight loss, she'll come closer to the ideal. the problem is ugliness
is ugliness and cannot be erased by loss of muscle. obvious fatness
is ugly, but obvious ugliness is not fat. lots of skinny girls are
ugly and there's no way they can be made to look good by losing
weight.
but, our society has told girls you can look better by losing weight,
as if burning fat is same as burning ugliness.

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Old June 22nd, 2007, 11:46 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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Is obsessive bodybuilding in men considered a psychological illness?

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Old June 24th, 2007, 12:37 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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RSF Group wrote:

my take on anorexia.

-------------------------
The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal
control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY
someone is that way.

I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs,
and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia,
as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in?

If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self-
esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if
she doesn't have sexual attention from their preferred sexual partners.

If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual
partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by
that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless!

This occurs in almost every girl's life in this culture, and even if
they attract boys who want to **** them, their own sexual needs are
seldom met by such inexperienced partners. This has additional sub-
conscious effect on her self-esteem and sense or worthlessness.

In this culture FAT is labeled as the primary cause of unattractivess.
The panicked effort to avoid being fat and therefore unattractive is
what causes anorexia, and the perslnality attempts sick regimens of
self-denial to lose weight and defeat what is perceived as unattractive-
ness that stalks them at every turn. What makes it worse is that food,
in this culture, is billed as the primary source of satifaction and
pleasure, while sex is shamed and guilted, especially for girls!!

Boys don't have this problem for several reasons:
They are not as sexually oppressed, they are encouraged to have a
variety of sex partners and are not guilted about their need for sex,
and they are not an object of attractiveness as their only claim to
self-worth, in fact, men who are regarded as attractive are often even
lacadaisical about their dress and personal appearance, judging their
own worth and attractiveness more by what they do than what they look
like. And for men, food is not their only friend when their sex life
leaves something to be desired, because they still believe that they
deserve sex and masturbation is considred normal and expectdd for them.

In girls these sexual problems persist even in sexual relationships,
since they are endlessly paranoid as to whether they can keep their
partner's attention. Even in marriage they can remain malignantly
anorexic and pathological, because they still feel profound guilt
at anyone finding out they have sexual desires. Sexual desire is still
the most forbidden fact about women, as it attracts other males who
may destroy their reliationship or sully their reputation for sexless-
ness, which is cultivated by even grown women as a pseudo-virginity.

All the anorexics I have known, three in my extended family and circle
of acquaintances, were desterately frightened guilty little prudes,
and the two who survived it have both now told me that they had to
come to grips with their horny vicieral sexuality and unashamedly
accept their sexual needs and desires, both for sexual satisfaction
and for a variety of partners before they could get past their
anorexia. They said they had to literally tell the world, society,
church, and family to **** off, and that they were going to get their
fully horny lascivious sexuality that THEY wanted satisfied!
Steve
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Old June 24th, 2007, 03:40 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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RSF Group wrote in alt.showbiz.gossip:

some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more
weight.
but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as
ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat
perse but ugliness.


What you believe indicates you've read none of the actual science or
psychology on it.

--
Brandy Alexandre

The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he
never would be found out. -- Thomas Babington Macaulay
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Old June 24th, 2007, 07:45 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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Default anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?

On Jun 24, 4:37 am, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
RSF Group wrote:

my take on anorexia.


-------------------------
The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal
control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY
someone is that way.

I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs,
and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia,
as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in?

If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self-
esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if
she doesn't have sexual attention from their preferred sexual partners.

If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual
partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by
that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless!


Let me ask you something.. how come you all are ready to believe that
sex before marriage is not a problem and one should consider that????

Don't you see anything wrong in that... are advices such as these.. ok
and productive keeping in mind the future???

Won't too much of pre-sex affect the society on a whole???


LD
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Old June 25th, 2007, 02:24 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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Default anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?

I think anorexia is about about control, pure and simple - trying to
impose your will over the demands of the physical body. Its about
hating your body and wanting to be in control totally and absolutely
of all that messy and uncontrollable - and scary - biology.

Mary

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Old June 25th, 2007, 04:49 PM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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Bigorexia is a dumb name for the problem. Some call it muscle
dysmorphia but that's not very handy.

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Old June 26th, 2007, 01:54 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, RSF Group wrote:
my take on anorexia.

some people see it as women who simply wanna lose more and more
weight.
but, i believe it's not really about wanting to burn away fat as
ugliness. the reason why the woman keeps dieting is not to burn fat
perse but ugliness.
it's rooted in her psyche that what remains unappealing about her is
tied to weight. so, even when she has lost alot of weight, she sees
ugliness and tries to burn that away. so, she starves more. it's a
kind of self-defeating process because losing weight makes one uglier.
but, it's been rooted in her head that nothing good can come of
gaining weight. she associates weight gain with fattiness. so, she
thinks the solution to her increasing ugliness is more weight loss.
so, she diets more and more. of course, her ugliness is still there--
and even growing worse and more gross--so more dieting does her no
good. so, she diets even more cuz it's been seared into her skull that
the only way to look less ugly is by losing more weight.
it's like someone who's told that being smart is good. so he studies
and studies. but, he studies too much and his head begins to get
overworked and his brain gets wearier and worse. but, he thinks that
only studying more and more will make him smarter so he studies more
even when his brain is dead-tired and needs some rest/fun. he doesn't
realize that it's the too-much-studying that is making him stupid.
that TOO-MUCH-studying is actually counter-productive to being smart.

anorextic person has a strong sense of ideal. if she fails to match
that ideal, she gets all anxious. it's not about fat but ugliness. to
gain that ideal, she tries to lose weight, thinking that losing more
fat will rub out more of that ugliness. but, of course, that is not
true. ugliness is still there. so she diets more and more. ugliness
is still there and so on and so on.
it's like someone who thinks his hand is dirty so washes it and washes
it. washes it until he's rubbed all the skin off. but, then he finds
flesh and he wants to wash that off to.
in a way, it's like buddhism where you try to erase all illusions from
consciousness. anorexia is like a purification of the self of
ugliness.
in a way, it's a realization that the problem isn't just the fat but
muscle. it's said beauty is skin deep but it's really muscle deep.
so, an ugly person equates one's muscles with ugliness and wants that
gone too.

with guys, it's the opposite. among guys, handsomity is equated with
muscle. so, guys who are obsessive about looks go into to gym and pump
iron more and more. now, this isn't as bad as dieting like a lunatic
but there are major risks with guys too. there's alot of exercise
related injury from too much exercise. there are too many cases of
steroid use and other abuse.
and just as women who are anorextic look grotesquely boney, guys who
are anabolic look grotesquely brawny. they look like caricatures of
manhood. again, being anabolic at least won't kill you. but, the
mentality behind both anorexia and anabolia is the obsession of
attaining some perfection based on some ideal. girl thinks her
ugliness can be erased by losing more fat and even muscle. guy thinks
his ugliness can be overcome or buried under mounds of muscle. in
both cases, the main theme is ugliness. ugly is ugly, whether fat or
wimpy. now, being less fat makes a naturally ugly person more
attractive but not really attractive. but, there is this idea among
anorexic girls that losing fat is akin to losing ugliness.
oftentimes, you have an ugly girl who's overweight. she feels fat and
ugly. suppose she loses some weight. by golly, she looks better.
ugly and slim is, after all, better than ugly and fat. but, she gets
to thinking that losing fat = better looks. so, she keeps losing
weight thinking that losing more weight means she will get prettier.
but, ugly is ugly. you can lose all the fat, flesh, and muscle you
want. if you is ugly, you is ugly. much of it has to do with bone
structure. you might as well get rid of your own bones.

it's not only or really about weight but about ugliness. of course,
weight itself is a major factor in determining one's sense of beauty.
but, it's only a factor. when a skinny girl keeps wanting to lose
weight, it's not really about losing fat. it's about losing ugliness.
now, she won't confess that this is so because no girl wants to say
'i'm ugly and wanna lose my ugliness'. they say 'i'm fat and wanna
lose more fat', as if losing more fat will improve her looks. but,
when there is no more fat but only muscle and bones left and she still
insists on losing weight, it's about losing ugliness. she's trying to
purge the very structure of her face and body made of skin, muscles,
and bones.
she's desperate in hoping that if she makes it thru another regimen of
weight loss, she'll come closer to the ideal. the problem is ugliness
is ugliness and cannot be erased by loss of muscle. obvious fatness
is ugly, but obvious ugliness is not fat. lots of skinny girls are
ugly and there's no way they can be made to look good by losing
weight.
but, our society has told girls you can look better by losing weight,
as if burning fat is same as burning ugliness.


Then there are people like Rosie O'Donnell who have Anorexia
Ponderosa. Last week their was a report that her shadow killed a dog!

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Old June 28th, 2007, 12:47 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
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wrote:

On Jun 24, 4:37 am, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
RSF Group wrote:

my take on anorexia.


-------------------------
The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal
control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY
someone is that way.

I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs,
and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia,
as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in?

If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self-
esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if
she doesn't have sexual attention from their preferred sexual partners.

If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual
partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by
that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless!


Let me ask you something.. how come you all are ready to believe that
sex before marriage is not a problem and one should consider that????

-------------------
Marriage is a contrived fiction, it is meaningless.

Sex enhances and invigorates all life, depriving anyone of it who wants
it is anti-humane!


Don't you see anything wrong in that...

----------------------
Nothing.


are advices such as these.. ok
and productive keeping in mind the future???

------------------------
Yes, in the future sex will be the primary mode of human entertainment
and bonding within large groups, and people will live nude indoors and
together in huge dwellings with room for everyone. Sexual foreplay will
be the form of greeting. Sex will be what you want to do next together
in groups.


Won't too much of pre-sex affect the society on a whole???

---------------------
No. Marriage is artificial, it is made-up, it is fiction.
Sex only helps people, it doesn't hurt.

And monogamy is an abuse of people, forcing them to pretend they
can Love only one other person, how vicious and anti-humane!!

It was invented to control us as slaves by cruel bandit-lords.

Only Love is real, it is delivered best as the acceptance of another's
need in the form of Holy Sexual Worship of one another, and it has no
boundaries at all!
Steve
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Old June 28th, 2007, 12:55 AM posted to rec.arts.tv,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.women,alt.support.diet,alt.showbiz.gossip
R. Steve Walz
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Default anorexia nervosa and anabolia nervosa. is it about ugliness?

wrote:

I think anorexia is about about control, pure and simple - trying to
impose your will over the demands of the physical body. Its about
hating your body and wanting to be in control totally and absolutely
of all that messy and uncontrollable - and scary - biology.

Mary

-------------------
As I said, it is the failure to achieve sexual acceptance of oneself.

The popular therapeutic allegation is that anorexia is a personal
control pathology of ineffective striving, but they never ask WHY
someone is that way.

I see western society, which is the only place anorexia occurs,
and America specifically, which has the very highest rate of anorxia,
as being sexually sick and repressive. What does this result in?

If a girl relies on her sexual attractiveness for her total self-
esteem and sense of self-worth, then she will feel unattractive if
she doesn't have sexual attention from her preferred sexual partners.

If she is never allowed sex, especially sex with a number of sexual
partners, then the subconscious conclusion is easy for her to come by
that she is pathologically unattractive and worthless!

This serves to make her seek to wield control over her body to make
herself worthy of sexual love, but being brainwashed in this culture
against expressing her sexuality, she feels guilty, and so no matter
how much she loses it is never enough, because if it were then she
would have to go be a slut now and express and experience her forbidden
shameful sexuality.

Nota bene: The freer sexually a society is, the less anorexia and also
much less of a hoard of other serious neuroses.
Steve
 




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