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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:41 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Dave LCHF
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube
videos, and I liked this one.


Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube video
on using dietary fat while managing weight.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts



Dave

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LowCarbHighFat/








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Old May 9th, 2007, 11:43 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Hannah Gruen
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

"Dave LCHF" wrote in message
.. .
I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube
videos, and I liked this one.


Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube
video on using dietary fat while managing weight.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts


Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with
cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of the
time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none of
them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully
objective, "scientific," way.

One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being
made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off
because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable
price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and
pan-sauteeing .

However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all
that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable
health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start
paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start
adding it to my morning coffee. Ick.

I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though.
Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being
extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health.
What do you guys think?

HG


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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:12 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Bob in CT[_2_]
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:43:58 -0400, Hannah Gruen
wrote:

"Dave LCHF" wrote in message
.. .
I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their
YouTube
videos, and I liked this one.


Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube
video on using dietary fat while managing weight.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts


Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with
cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of
the
time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none
of
them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully
objective, "scientific," way.

One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently
being
made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off
because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a
reasonable
price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying
and
pan-sauteeing .

However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all
that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable
health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start
paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start
adding it to my morning coffee. Ick.


I used to do that. It's really not that bad. Plus, I used to eat rice
cakes when I was low fat. A little oil added to coffee is better than a
rice cake.

I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims,
though.
Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were
being
extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health.
What do you guys think?

HG



I think you're right. Some of the coconut oil claims are a bit
overhyped. I also think that lard (if you can find it without partially
hydrogenated oils, that is) would be just as good from a cooking
standpoint.

I do think coconut oil's properties are interesting, though. I wish there
were a truly unbiased source of dietary information. Alas, we have to
wade through multiple sources, each as biased as the last.

--
Bob in CT
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:59 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Cubit
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

It is unfortunate that we live in an era where the results of studies seem
to depend on who is paying for the study. I gather part of this comes from
adjusting the methods used in the study. I'm told that medical studies
often pre-screen candidates. If they suspect a drug has a problem after 1
year, then they do a 6 month study.... -and so it goes...

2ndly, there are so many studies, that any scientific theory advocate can
cherry pick studies to support their position.

I like coconut milk. I like the taste. There are anecdotes about Islanders
who ate lots of coconuts having been quite healthy. Of course, I suppose an
Islander might eat a lot of fish too.




"Bob in CT" wrote in message
news On Wed, 09 May 2007 06:43:58 -0400, Hannah Gruen
wrote:

"Dave LCHF" wrote in message
.. .
I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their
YouTube
videos, and I liked this one.


Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube
video on using dietary fat while managing weight.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts


Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with
cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of
the
time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none
of
them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully
objective, "scientific," way.

One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently
being
made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off
because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a
reasonable
price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying
and
pan-sauteeing .

However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all
that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable
health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start
paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start
adding it to my morning coffee. Ick.


I used to do that. It's really not that bad. Plus, I used to eat rice
cakes when I was low fat. A little oil added to coffee is better than a
rice cake.

I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims,
though.
Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were
being
extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health.
What do you guys think?

HG



I think you're right. Some of the coconut oil claims are a bit
overhyped. I also think that lard (if you can find it without partially
hydrogenated oils, that is) would be just as good from a cooking
standpoint.

I do think coconut oil's properties are interesting, though. I wish there
were a truly unbiased source of dietary information. Alas, we have to
wade through multiple sources, each as biased as the last.

--
Bob in CT


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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:58 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

"Hannah Gruen" wrote:


One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently being
made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked off
because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a reasonable
price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for stir-frying and
pan-sauteeing .


I've found it for $9 in the organic section of the local grocery
store, and for $3 at Super Wal Mart.

However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all
that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable
health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start
paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start
adding it to my morning coffee. Ick.


Instead pay for lard and it ends up having added transfats. Grumble.

I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims, though.
Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that were being
extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for human health.
What do you guys think?


Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the
savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works
for us. Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we
have a metabolic need for salt so foods available on tropical beaches
work well for us - seafood and coconuts. So without getting into
the details of the scientific claims I see why coconut oil would be
well accepted by humans. Besides, it smells nice when melted ...

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Old May 9th, 2007, 09:12 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Kaz Kylheku
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

On May 9, 3:43 am, "Hannah Gruen"
wrote:
Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway).


The human body runs /terribly/ on fat stores. It runs efficiently on
carbohydrates.

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Old May 9th, 2007, 09:34 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Kaz Kylheku
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

On May 9, 12:58 pm, Doug Freyburger wrote:
"Hannah Gruen" wrote:
What do you guys think?


Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the
savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works
for us.


Is that why most of the world record performances in athletics were
accomplished on high fat, low-carb diets?

Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we
have a metabolic need for salt


I see where this might be headed: justification of your next binge on
greasy, salty, junk food.

so foods available on tropical beaches
work well for us - seafood and coconuts.


But fresh seafood isn't very high in salt.

For instance, fresh salmon is relatively low in sodium. Its sodium
content is comparable to chicken or beef. And has about 7 times more
potassium than sodium. Squid is similarly low in sodium. Scallops are
a bit higher in sodium, but not by much.

Perhaps you are confused by the labels on processed seafood, or are
laboring under the misconception that things that live in salty water
contain salt. Many marine species are hypotonic with respect to the
salty water they live in. In spite of living in it, they keep it out
of their bodies.



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Old May 9th, 2007, 11:35 PM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
Doug Freyburger
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks

Kaz Kylheku wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Evolutionary argument - Ancestors moved from the forrests to the
savannah and became hunters of scavengers so animal fat works
for us.


Is that why most of the world record performances in athletics were
accomplished on high fat, low-carb diets?


And world level athletics has what to do with the majority of
people other than to serve as a canard that you're off your rocker?
Fit individuals can easily do fine on low carb diets. If they follow
the directions and ease into their programs.

Ancestors spent so much time as beach combers that we
have a metabolic need for salt


I see where this might be headed: justification of your next binge on
greasy, salty, junk food.


Wow. Make sure you post often. It's very entertaining. But
please do make sure to go on a sodium-free diet and see how
the cravings get stronger and stronger until you eventually die
from lack of sodium.

so foods available on tropical beaches
work well for us - seafood and coconuts.


But fresh seafood isn't very high in salt.


If your level of technology is a sharp stick, fresh seafood is
salty for the simple reason it is coated with sea water.

Perhaps you are confused by the labels on processed seafood, or are
laboring under the misconception that things that live in salty water
contain salt. Many marine species are hypotonic with respect to the
salty water they live in. In spite of living in it, they keep it out
of their bodies.


Oh yeah, processed foods with labels as having an effect
on human evolution a million years ago. Right. Thanx for
the entertainment.

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Old May 10th, 2007, 06:33 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks


"Hannah Gruen" wrote in message
. ..
"Dave LCHF" wrote in message
.. .
I have no connection to the Mercola.com website, but I watch their YouTube
videos, and I liked this one.


Dr. Pearsall of the http://www.Mercola.com website has made a YouTube
video on using dietary fat while managing weight.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNOFSpVx8Ts


Thanks for the link. I have to say that I view anything from Mercola with
cautious scepticism, but he's on the right side of rationality some of the
time, anyway. I have the same quibble with the Enig/Fallon cabal... none
of them seem to be capable of reliably using scientific data in a fully
objective, "scientific," way.

One thing I'm sceptical about are the rather extreme claims currently
being made for coconut oil. It's a great fat... in fact, I'm kinda ticked
off because its recent popularity has made it difficult to find for a
reasonable price, in my area anyhow. I don't know anything better for
stir-frying and pan-sauteeing .

However... I'm not sure regular old animal-source saturated fats are all
that difficult for our bodies to utilize, so long as we are in reasonable
health and especially not overconsuming carbohydrates. Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway). I'm not ready to start
paying $10+ per pound for the new "wonder" saturated fat, nor to start
adding it to my morning coffee. Ick.

I'm not that well-read on the science behind the coconut oil claims,
though. Early on, I was seeing a lot of in-vitro and animal studies that
were being extrapolated (inappropriately) into grandiose benefits for
human health. What do you guys think?

HG


Regarding the coconut oil, I just purchased another canister, this one is
"extra" virgin, and smells more strongly of coconut...not that I am
complaining. I have just in the last month and a half got my sorry carcass
back on the low carb bandwagon, and part of the effort has included the
coconut oil, some coconut milk (the BOMB in low carb shakes) and coconut
flour...very low carb, VERY high fiber, infact add more fluid, and DRINK
more fluid...you wont be plugged...ok stopping that now.

I lost 20 lb so far...and I have to go back to the gym to see on their
tanita scale how much was fat vs lean. So I like the coconut oil component.


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Old May 10th, 2007, 06:37 AM posted to alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb
AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~
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Default Fats for losing Weight from Mercola folks


"Kaz Kylheku" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 9, 3:43 am, "Hannah Gruen"
wrote:
Our bodies, after
all, were designed to run efficiently on our own fat stores, i.e.
animal-source saturated fats (in part, anyway).


The human body runs /terribly/ on fat stores. It runs efficiently on
carbohydrates.


Well, if I am going to lose the extra fat, my sorry body better START
burning fat stores for food, however "/terribly/", instead of carbohydrates!

By the way, Sparky, do you know what the body does with extra glycogen in
your bloodstream when you are insulin resistant, and the insulin cant make
your blood cells accept the blood sugar for fuel that was made from the
carbohydrates you ate?

Scroll down for the answer, if you don't already know:
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It gets processed to your fat cells for storage. Chew on that.

--
~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX


 




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