'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

How stupid can it get!!! Get them out the door to exercise
and don't take them to McDonald's and make them eat fruit
instead of chips. There is not long-term data on Atkins
and it's dangerous to do something to kids that isn't
adequately tested on adults.

Diarmid Logan wrote:

Patricia Heil wrote in message ...
How stupid can it get!!! Get them out the door to exercise
and don't take them to McDonald's and make them eat fruit
instead of chips. There is not long-term data on Atkins
and it's dangerous to do something to kids that isn't
adequately tested on adults.

That didn't stop anyone from putting children on low-fat diets.

brian
290/228/210
july 8, 2003

brian lanning wrote or quoted:
Patricia Heil wrote in message ...

There is not long-term data on Atkins and it's dangerous to do
something to kids that isn't adequately tested on adults.

That didn't stop anyone from putting children on low-fat diets.

There's a /lot/ more data on low fat diets than there is on
low carb diets:

Medline searches:

"low fat":4061
"low carbohydrate":649 - "low carb":16

Look at the number that actually look at the associated diets and it's
even more one-sided.
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Tim Tyler wrote in message ...
brian lanning wrote or quoted:
That didn't stop anyone from putting children on low-fat diets.
There's a /lot/ more data on low fat diets than there is on
low carb diets:
Medline searches:
"low fat":4061
"low carbohydrate":649 - "low carb":16
Look at the number that actually look at the associated diets and it's
even more one-sided.

Your argument isn't really fair. Low fat has more studies only
because it's been around longer. But 20 or 30 years ago, there were
far fewer studies on low fat, and people still put their kids on it.
I suspect this is because low fat is more intuitive. Perhaps people
then and now like the idea of a low fat diet because it makes sense to
them. You are what you eat, right? Unfortuantely, it's nowhere near
that simple.

My mother in law used to send my wife to school, we're talking the
80s, with a camberidge bar and a tab for lunch. How's that for a low
fat diet? It didn't work. My wife gained weight anyway. Today, we
know it's because a lot of artificual sweeteners cause an insulin
response in my wife. Her body was also in starvation mode because she
wasn't getting enough calories. Today, she's losing weight with a low
carb diet. Something she's never been able to do.

It's true that we have no long term studies of low carb diets. But
it's just as unreasonable to assume that it's unsafe as it is to
assume that it's safe. We just don't know, long term. That, to me,
says that we need to exercise caution when considering whether to put
a child on a low carb diet. If the child is only 10 pounds
overweight, for example, then maybe it's not worth the risk. But if
the child is one of these five year olds that weighs over 100 pounds,
maybe they should try it. As all things in life, you have to weigh
the risks with the advantages and then make the best decision you can.

In the short term, I think it's fair to argue that the health benefits
of losing weight outweigh the possible risks. I've been on the diet
for 8 months now. I probably won't be on it for more than a year.
But I will never go back to the way I ate before.

brian
290/228/210
july 8,2003

She gained weight on a cambridge bar and a tab.

Yeah, right.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"brian lanning" wrote in message
om...
Tim Tyler wrote in message
...
brian lanning wrote or quoted:
That didn't stop anyone from putting children on low-fat diets.
There's a /lot/ more data on low fat diets than there is on
low carb diets:
Medline searches:
"low fat":4061
"low carbohydrate":649 - "low carb":16
Look at the number that actually look at the associated diets and it's
even more one-sided.

Your argument isn't really fair. Low fat has more studies only
because it's been around longer. But 20 or 30 years ago, there were
far fewer studies on low fat, and people still put their kids on it.
I suspect this is because low fat is more intuitive. Perhaps people
then and now like the idea of a low fat diet because it makes sense to
them. You are what you eat, right? Unfortuantely, it's nowhere near
that simple.

My mother in law used to send my wife to school, we're talking the
80s, with a camberidge bar and a tab for lunch. How's that for a low
fat diet? It didn't work. My wife gained weight anyway. Today, we
know it's because a lot of artificual sweeteners cause an insulin
response in my wife. Her body was also in starvation mode because she
wasn't getting enough calories. Today, she's losing weight with a low
carb diet. Something she's never been able to do.

It's true that we have no long term studies of low carb diets. But
it's just as unreasonable to assume that it's unsafe as it is to
assume that it's safe. We just don't know, long term. That, to me,
says that we need to exercise caution when considering whether to put
a child on a low carb diet. If the child is only 10 pounds
overweight, for example, then maybe it's not worth the risk. But if
the child is one of these five year olds that weighs over 100 pounds,
maybe they should try it. As all things in life, you have to weigh
the risks with the advantages and then make the best decision you can.

In the short term, I think it's fair to argue that the health benefits
of losing weight outweigh the possible risks. I've been on the diet
for 8 months now. I probably won't be on it for more than a year.
But I will never go back to the way I ate before.

brian
290/228/210
july 8,2003

Your argument isn't really fair. Low fat has more studies only
because it's been around longer. But 20 or 30 years ago, there were
far fewer studies on low fat, and people still put their kids on it.
I suspect this is because low fat is more intuitive.


It was because there was such a huge marking ploy. that's how low fat really got
going.

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brian lanning wrote or quoted:

Low fat has more studies only because it's been around longer.
But 20 or 30 years ago, there were far fewer studies on low fat,
and people still put their kids on it.

Back in the diet dark ages, yes.

It's true that we have no long term studies of low carb diets. But
it's just as unreasonable to assume that it's unsafe as it is to
assume that it's safe. We just don't know, long term.
That, to me, says that we need to exercise caution when
considering whether to put a child on a low carb diet.

That's what it says to me as well. We don't know what
what the risks or the benefits are. Low carb diets have
not been properly tested.

If the child is only 10 pounds overweight, for example, then maybe
it's not worth the risk. But if the child is one of these five
year olds that weighs over 100 pounds, maybe they should try it.

Why? You speak as though it was the only way to lose weight. That
is definitely not the case.

In the short term, I think it's fair to argue that the health benefits
of losing weight outweigh the possible risks.

The Atkins diet is not the only one to offer weight loss. Following
any low calorie diet will produce that effect.
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The real problem lies with the parents and the pre-schools and government
schools -- and the way they create early bad eating habits in their
children.

My 19-month old grand-daughter, who is being raised by fitness-oriented
parents and grand-parents, was never fed canned baby food and almost never
encounters any food with added sugar or salt. Her favorite foods are
grilled or baked sweet potatoes, lean chicken & fish, vegetables, including
broccoli, green beans and a variety of salad items, and many fruits,
including strawberries and blueberries. She eats the fruits but does not
drink the juice without the fiber. She's crazy about unsalted pumpkin
seeds.

She never even sees "fast" foods, potato chips, salty snacks, sugary cereal
and the like. Now that she has stopped nursing, she does drink a little cow
milk, at her parents' house, but also loves the unsweetened soy milk with
added calcium that she gets at our house.

So, it seems to me that kids are just learning the bad eating habits from
their parents. Just about anyone loves sweets, for example, because we're
programming through natural selection to love them. But sweets are
food-attractants and, even if they had no other bad effects (which they do),
they would make you fat just by attracting you to food. Kids get into the
sweet habit early because their parents feed them sweets and addict them.
Their parents eat sweets because their parents did. And everybody eats them
(and all the other bad foods out there) because the food industry is
constantly propagandizing us to eat more and more of them.

Slowly but surely changing people's perceptions of what are the "good" and
"bad" foods is probably a better answer. Unfortunately, eating good food is
a hassle, compared to grabbing off the shelf what you see and giving your
kid what he asks for, based on what his friends eat or what he's seen on TV.
And people generally want as close to "something for nothing" as they can
get. They just won't make the effort.

mack
austin

"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."

Great example of good doctors learning the true basis of weight
management in spite of the nonsense propounded by industry shills.

Dr Toni Steer is a colleague of the flour queen Dr. Susan jebb:

http://www.fabflour.co.uk/News_weightloss.asp

"The Flour Advisory Bureau (FAB) and the Grain Information Service
(GIS) today launch a new review showing that overweight people who
adopt a range of proven health strategies can lose weight and cut the
risk of developing diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Tackling the
Weight of the Nation, a peer-reviewed report produced by Dr Susan Jebb
and Dr Toni Steer of MRC Human Nutrition Research in Cambridge,
highlights that without urgent and effective action, 3 out of 10
adults in the UK will be obese by the end of the decade."

......

"Alex Waugh, Director General of the Grain Information Service said,
"This independent report pulls together the very extensive research in
relation to low-fat, high carbohydrate diets and shows conclusively
that an effective, realistic and achievable strategy for long-term
weight management with clear health benefits does exist."

Of course Dr Toni Steer suggests that we restrict fat and increase
carbs to lose weight.


But she admits that refined carbs are no good:

http://www.diet-i.com/low-carb-diets-nutrition.htm

quote *************
Unrefined Carbs Best

She recommends choosing foods that are as unrefined as possible, such
as whole oats, pasta, whole grain bread, and long grain rice, rather
than sweetened cereal or pastry. Foods such as yoghurt should ideally
be sweetened naturally with fruit rather than sugar.

And carbohydrates do not just provide energy. According to Dr Jebb's
colleague, nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, they also contain vital
nutrients.

"They have essential B vitamins like thiamine and folates. A lot of
these vitamins have a role in energy metabolism in the body.
************ endquote

Refined carbs do not contain these vitamins. They are removed in the
refining process.

Here she shows her true colors:

http://www.pharmj.com/pdf/_donotinde...0823_news3.pdf

Without any long term evidence to back up her claims ahe says that
low-carb is dangerous. So much for scientific integrity.

But we all know what they are up to:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...835015,00.html

Just another industry shill earning her keep by selling out on her
professional integrity.

TC