'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

On 20 Mar 2004 13:44:55 GMT, Ignoramus16900
posted:

In article , Moosh wrote:
On 20 Mar 2004 04:42:23 GMT, Ignoramus3239
posted:

In article , Moosh wrote:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:36:58 GMT, "Mack"
posted:

Honey: In Walford's "Beyond" book, glycemic index chart table 9.3, he lists
honey in the "80-90%" (2nd highest) area. (Glucose = 100%.) Same category
as cornflakes, baked (white) potato, watermelon and white bread. I would
avoid honey as an extremely high-glycemic food. But to each his own.

If you refer to:
http://diabetes.about.com/library/me...i/ngilists.htm
You will find that honey is low GI and low GL.

But I thought you avoided EVERYTHING sweet.

Obviously, "sweet" is a subjective term. I do not avoid most fruit, if
that's what you mean.

OK. So you don't avoid everything sweet. I thought you did when you
said "and get used to the taste of food without the sweet taste,"

And Ignoramous, who I was responding to said "I eat nothing sweetened"

I do eat naturally sweet things, such as apples, but not all and in
moderation. One apple per day is about all sweetness that I get.

OK, but I thought the thrust of the messages was to avoid ALL
sweetness in order to accustom yourself to not craving sweetness.
Apparently it's about no such thing.

Personally, I avoid sweeteners. I do not try to avoid all sweetness
completely. I no longer crave sweetness though, and eat apples because
I think that they are good for me.

The apples we have here would be about the sweetest foods I can think
of, but whatever. I would eat an apple (in season) and a banana, and a
mandarine daily. Maybe some grapes and a nectarine -- they are
delicious at the moment. BTW, apples and pears have a great deal of
fructose in them which bothers me nowt, but has been blamed by some
here for all the American dietary woes.

As I said, I have a drop or two of saccharine in my cups of tea, and a
sprinkle of aspartame or whatever is handy on my cereal. I find that
they all taste fine. I do this so I can expend my calorie allotment
elsewhere, while not depriving myself of enjoying something that I
like sweet I don't personally crave sweets or even savory snacks.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:52:30 GMT, "JC Der Koenig"
posted:

From between your ears?

So you don't know?

Your comments therefore don't deserve consideration.
Sorry, try again next time.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:14:41 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

Well, actually I admit this approach is even better. But I am just a
human

I understand where you are coming from, but we are creatures of habit
and
habits can be changed with the application of will and a workable
strategy.
Personally, I don't want to just openly surrender to any known bad
habit.
The sweet habit is one that you could probably change by weaning
yourself
off it, over time.

Well, the question is, is it worth it? I do not think that several mgs
of aspartame daily cause me any problems, and I am actually afraid that
I would start to crave candy without it. Now, with my "chocolate" each
day, my sweet taste is completely satisfied and in a way that has only a
little impact on my health/weight.

There was a famous scientific study that tested a bunch of volunteers
who claimed that aspartame gave them headaches. They did a
double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over trial and lo and behold,
the placebo group had more headaches than the aparatame group.
Lesson is: Take apartame to reduce headaches!

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:17:21 +0100, "Mirek Fidler"
posted:

The amount of
nutrients in a tablespoon of honey are so scant as to be
inconsequential.

Same with fruits. What is your point?

Use fruits only in moderation.

Consume EVERYTHING only in moderation!

"Moosh" wrote or quoted:

That mucous/milk thing was debunked years ago I thought.

That's my impression as well:

``Relationship between milk intake and mucus production in adult
volunteers challenged with rhinovirus-2''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=2154152

The study:

``The milk-mucus belief: sensory analysis comparing cow's milk and a soy
placebo.''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=8452378

....suggests the idea stems from sensory cues - and that soy milk has
the same effect.
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:59:31 GMT, Tim Tyler posted:

"Moosh" wrote or quoted:

That mucous/milk thing was debunked years ago I thought.

That's my impression as well:

``Relationship between milk intake and mucus production in adult
volunteers challenged with rhinovirus-2''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=2154152

The study:

``The milk-mucus belief: sensory analysis comparing cow's milk and a soy
placebo.''

- http://calorierestriction.org/pmid/?n=8452378

...suggests the idea stems from sensory cues - and that soy milk has
the same effect.

Thanks Tim. I can recall reading of similar studies in the early 80s.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".

Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.

"Robert Klute" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".

Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.


Me too.

--
Lori
220/153/150 (I think)
LC since 1/17/03
Devoted wife of Curtis, Stage 4 Prostate cancer at age 40
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:13:24 GMT, Robert Klute
posted:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".

Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.


I wasn't advocating a diet for you. You sound like you are syndrome X.

Fat is virtually impossible to eleiminate from the diet. As I've said
before, rolled oats is roughly 20% of its calories as fat. Every food
has SOME fat in it. Dairy and meat is where you can trim some of the
excess fat. So I wonder how you "put fat back in your diet".

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:36:15 GMT, "Lorelei"
posted:


"Robert Klute" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".

Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.


Me too.

And.... ?