'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:19:02 -0600,
announced in front of God and everybody:

Low Carb my ass. Thats all I hear lately, everywhere I go, is ****ING
LOW CARB this and low carb that..... It all started with some idiot
named Atkins, who claimed to be a doctor.

Blah blah blah.

Is this one of our regular nutjobs? Because I already killfiled this
bozo under another name and the spring break kiddies aren't usually
smart enough to morph.

Dawn

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:19:02 -0600, posted:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:35:22 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:13:24 GMT, Robert Klute
posted:

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:11:41 +0800, "Moosh" wrote:


So it's just another calorie controlled diet? No wonder it mostly
fails. What's wrong with a balanced, varied, wholefood diet?
Cutting calories is much easier if you cut fat. Much more "bang for
the buck".

Wrong. At least for me. I found cutting calories easier when I put fat
back in my diet and reduced refined carbohydrates. I feel full longer
when there is sufficient fat in my diet. When I ate a low fat diet, I
had hunger cravings frequently.


I wasn't advocating a diet for you. You sound like you are syndrome X.

Fat is virtually impossible to eleiminate from the diet. As I've said
before, rolled oats is roughly 20% of its calories as fat. Every food
has SOME fat in it. Dairy and meat is where you can trim some of the
excess fat. So I wonder how you "put fat back in your diet".

Hey asshole.

Yo, Gomer.

Go ahead and kill yourself with this nonsense diet, and
no one will care.

Which diet?

But when you start killing children, you WILL be
prosecuted. In fact, I wil personally call the Child Protective
Agency.

How would I do that, Gomer?

Read this to answer the rest of your questions....

What questions? I didn't realise i'd asked any.

Low Carb my ass.

I imagine it is, unless you stuff breadcrumbs up there.

Thats all I hear lately, everywhere I go, is ****ING
LOW CARB this and low carb that.....

You poor thing. You really should stay in more.

It all started with some idiot
named Atkins, who claimed to be a doctor.

Lie back on the couch and tell Dr Asshole all about it, my son.

Of course anyone can use the
word "doctor" as is often proven in colleges by art and english
teachers who claim to be a doctor of the arts or the language. The
title means nothing.

It means "teacher" actually

The guy that cut the balls off my dog is a
doctor too. Big honking deal...

A doctor of vet medicine? Probably a university degree.

Atkins was NO Doctor, he was a QUACK.

Good businessman though...

Atkins is DEAD. Yet, fools like you people on this newsgroup still
worship him and follow his stupid bull**** diet. The same diet that
KILLED HIM.

I don't follow any such thing. Well I did foolishly follow Atkins over
thirty years ago, but only until I saw the light -- HALLELUJA!!!

What part of the word DEAD do you not understand?

None of it.

But, I wont worry about you, because the American Funeral Association
can always use your business,,,,, Just keep those damn "LOW CARB" ads
out of my sight.

You'll need a good bank account to ship this old carcase to the good
ol' US of A.

The only ones who benefit from a low carb diet are the advertisers of
the low carb foods, and the heirs of Quack Atkins, who are getting
rich off your stupidity.

Quite likely. I really wouldn't know. My stupidity keeps others alive.

What part of the word DEAD do you not understand?

Is there and echo in here Gomer?

BTW, what makes you think I have anything to do with the promotion of
low carb diets?

Fat doesn't really fill you. What fills you during an Atkins diet is lack of
carbs. Lack of carb forces your body to use fat metabolism instead of
regular carb metabolism (except for your brain which works poorly on fat
metabolism - usually it has your lean mass, proteins, broken into carbs to
fuel itself). Fat metabolism is dirtier than carb metabolism, and one of the
toxins built from it are cetonic bodies. Cetonic bodies are what people with
T1 diabete test in their urine, as they show that they have gone too far
into hyperglycemia; when the blood sugar is too high (4g), carb metabolism
cannot work anymore, and the body switches to fat metabolism.
Anyway, fat metabolism is a long term starvation mode. That's the mode your
body switches to after several days of fasting. As such, one of the property
of cetonic corpses is that they cancel the hunger; after 3 days of fasting
or so, your brain partly switches to fat metabolism and responds to cetonic
corpses. The effects are loss of hunger (you're going on extended
starvation, hunger is getting in the way of survival), exaltation (that's
why fasting is used for religious purpose) and euphoria.
That's why Atkins fails if you dare eat any sugar : it will disrupt the
cetonic process, your brain will grab whatever carb it can and use it
instead of fat (because your brain is much more efficient when it works on
carbs). The intoxication level from cetonic corpses will lower and lift some
of the "mystic" state it induced. Your brain will also induce that REAL food
(carbs) is available and send a huge HUNGER signal.

This doesn't mean Atkins is a really healthy diet. It relies on an abnormal
metabolic state of your body, one that is sub-optimal for your brain, and
that generates wastes. It also relies on intoxicating your brain, and brain
intoxication diets are always very good for losing weight. For instance,
amphetamines work even better than Atkins. Heroin does wonders as well. Both
are very good weight loss methods. They're just not very healthy...

"Lictor" wrote in message
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snipped the rubbish
LOL I would have said you had cut and snipped that from a PETA... oops I
mean PCRM site but they spell KETONIC correctly

What does it have to do with PETA? It's an animal protection something,
right? Yes, I do love animals. Well cooked, with a tasty sauce or spices...
Beef, sheep, rabbit, pig, duck (especially in confit)... I also eat animal
and vegetal fats in moderate proportions. Vegetarians are usually sad
people, like most people on restrictive diets (Atkins, Weight Watchers, low
carbs, micro-****-diet...). But because I love to eat meat doesn't mean I
should have a completely unbalanced diet and get rid of the other
nutriments. Why do people think you should always be in an all-or-nothing
mode? Though manicheism is a key component of magic thinking, and since most
of the modern diets rely on magic thinking ("eat no carbs and you will lose
weight, eat no fat! eat pineapple! eat bio unprocessed food only! And as
long as you don't eat the Evil Food, you will lose weight whatever you do
and feel no hunger and stuff your stomach to the brim, because it's only the
Evil Food that make you fat") to sell, I shouldn't be that surprised...
If you're body is working on Ketonic metabolism, which is an abnormal
metabolism for a healthy human being with a healthy diet, then you are doing
something wrong. If you need to intoxicate your brain to stop your cravings,
then you are doing the same thing heroin addicts do to deal with life :
using drugs to obliterate your feelings. You should rather seek proper
psychological help to deal with that craving in the first place, and eat
like a normal human being and accept the fact that your hunger is just the
sign that your body knows what you need better than you do, not something
you should struggle to ignore all the time...

So far, each dietary revolution in the anglo-saxon world has only managed to
increase the obesity level. Atkins like the rest of them. Countries went
from low protein, to high protein, to low fat, to low carb, with exactly the
same results : more and more obesity. If you look at 2,000 years of
treatment for obesity, it looks like a silly joke. There has been several
Atkins in history, and if it didn't work more than 2,000 years ago
(Hippocrates already adviced sanguine obeses to eat very fat), I don't see
why it should work now. So, now, you want to put children on yet another
miracle diet, which will do the same as all the previous miracle diets :
make them grow fatter and build more and more fat kids. The previous mistake
was to switch young kids (2- years) to protein and low fat to keep them
slim; this meant switching off mother milk earlier (50% calories from fat,
7% from proteins) to stuff them with proteins and meat. According to recent
studies, this only accomplished two things : slowing down brain
developpement (brain is built on fat and cholesterol) and preparing them for
obesity (the more proteins, the more growth hormone, the more growth
hormone, the more cells for storing fat). Now that we **** up kids during
their first two years, I guess we will seek to **** them further by having
them under Atkins during their second childhood.

In the meantime, you still have a reasonnable part of the population who
doesn't diet, eat of everything and maintain a pretty constant weight
throughout their life. But of course, you cannot market such a diet, you
can't sell special food for it or nutriment bars or anything, so it's
unlikely to ever become the adviced one.

PS: Ketonic is spelled with a C in my language. I didn't bother to check a
dictionnary. Sorry for that. However, I would appreciate if you could
refrain from correcting the spelling mistakes of someone who probably writes
in your language a lot better than you would in his.

"Dwayne" wrote in message
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"Lictor" wrote in message
...
snipped the rubbish
LOL I would have said you had cut and snipped that from a PETA... oops I
mean PCRM site but they spell KETONIC correctly

"Lictor" wrote in message
...
What does it have to do with PETA? It's an animal protection something,
right?

Yes and the PCRM which seems to be where you got your info from is related
in many ways to peta so would you listen to a vegetarians views on a diet
that promotes eating meat and is difficult (but not impossible) to follow as
a vegetarian?
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html If your info does not come
directly from these please post the link I am sure it could be traced back
because it sounds so much like the many press releases they churn out.

Yes, I do love animals. Well cooked, with a tasty sauce or spices...
Beef, sheep, rabbit, pig, duck (especially in confit)... I also eat animal
and vegetal fats in moderate proportions. Vegetarians are usually sad
people, like most people on restrictive diets (Atkins, Weight Watchers,
low
carbs, micro-****-diet...). But because I love to eat meat doesn't mean I
should have a completely unbalanced diet and get rid of the other
nutriments. Why do people think you should always be in an all-or-nothing
mode?

the low carb way of life only restricts heavily processed foods like sugar,
white flour, white rice etc.

Though manicheism is a key component of magic thinking, and since most
of the modern diets rely on magic thinking ("eat no carbs

ah well thats not Atkins or any of the LOW carb diets I have heard about.

and you will lose
weight, eat no fat! eat pineapple! eat bio unprocessed food only! And as
long as you don't eat the Evil Food, you will lose weight whatever you do
and feel no hunger and stuff your stomach to the brim, because it's only
the
Evil Food that make you fat") to sell, I shouldn't be that surprised...
If you're body is working on Ketonic metabolism, which is an abnormal
metabolism for a healthy human being with a healthy diet,

Not true everyone becomes ketonic at some time during the day (most at night
I am told)
http://www.ketosis-ketoacidosis-difference.com/

then you are doing
something wrong. If you need to intoxicate your brain to stop your
cravings,
then you are doing the same thing heroin addicts do to deal with life :
using drugs to obliterate your feelings.

sorry lost me here what are we supposed to be intoxicating our brains with?
Ketones?

You should rather seek proper
psychological help to deal with that craving in the first place, and eat
like a normal human being and accept the fact that your hunger is just the
sign that your body knows what you need better than you do, not something
you should struggle to ignore all the time...

once again we are not dealing with *normal* human beings.


So far, each dietary revolution in the anglo-saxon world has only managed
to
increase the obesity level. Atkins like the rest of them.Countries went
from low protein, to high protein, to low fat, to low carb, with exactly
the
same results : more and more obesity. If you look at 2,000 years of
treatment for obesity, it looks like a silly joke. There has been several
Atkins in history, and if it didn't work more than 2,000 years ago
(Hippocrates already adviced sanguine obeses to eat very fat), I don't see
why it should work now.

Can I suggest you lurk around some low carb forums and read just how its not
working for yourself you cant argue with results I am afraid.

So, now, you want to put children on yet another
miracle diet, which will do the same as all the previous miracle diets :
make them grow fatter and build more and more fat kids. The previous
mistake
was to switch young kids (2- years) to protein and low fat to keep them
slim; this meant switching off mother milk earlier (50% calories from fat,
7% from proteins) to stuff them with proteins and meat. According to
recent
studies, this only accomplished two things : slowing down brain
developpement (brain is built on fat and cholesterol) and preparing them
for
obesity (the more proteins, the more growth hormone, the more growth
hormone, the more cells for storing fat). Now that we **** up kids during
their first two years, I guess we will seek to **** them further by having
them under Atkins during their second childhood.

In the meantime, you still have a reasonnable part of the population who
doesn't diet, eat of everything and maintain a pretty constant weight
throughout their life. But of course, you cannot market such a diet, you
can't sell special food for it or nutriment bars or anything, so it's
unlikely to ever become the adviced one.

I used to be one of those people I would eat a variety of foods and not put
any weight on once I got past my 20's and slowed down a little the weight
started to increase and most of us dont notice till its too late.

PS: Ketonic is spelled with a C in my language. I didn't bother to check a
dictionnary. Sorry for that. However, I would appreciate if you could
refrain from correcting the spelling mistakes of someone who probably
writes
in your language a lot better than you would in his.

yes you are correct and please accept my apologies.

"Ignoramus14239" wrote in message
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In article , Dwayne
wrote:

the low carb way of life only restricts heavily processed foods like
sugar,
white flour, white rice etc.

If you look at a specific diet like Atkins diet, it restricts all
carbs, for example the carbs in fruits. Also, potatoes are not by any
stretch of imagination "highly processed", and yet they are restricted
on low crb diets.

i

Yes my mistake replace restricts with excludes.

"Dwayne" wrote in message
...

Yes and the PCRM which seems to be where you got your info from is related
in many ways to peta so would you listen to a vegetarians views on a diet
that promotes eating meat and is difficult (but not impossible) to follow
as
a vegetarian?

I'm not a vegetarian myself, unless you consider that eating tofu once a
week because I like the taste makes me one. Out of the last four meals this
week, I have eaten beef three times, I think that pretty much disqualifies
me as a vegetarian. I think going vegie is pure hubris. And I tend to think
that any diet that diabolize one group of food is both unhealthy and somehow
wrong. I dislike Atkis, low fat and vegetarian diets for about the same
reasons. Though at least the vegetarian diet can claim to be a cultural diet
(India)... Actually, I think any non cultural diet is a mistake. Most
cultural diets which have been around for a long time tend to be healthy
when you look at them closely, no matter what nutriment they get they main
energy source from. I have the luck to live in a country where some diets
rank right next to the Cretian diet as far as cardiovascular health is
concerned, I don't see why I should switch to anything else...
So, no, I didn't get any info from PCRM, I had never heard of it before you
talked about it. I'm not American, and I tend not to seek food information
in that country, because they tend to have a very manicheist view on food,
with little room for middle ground.

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html If your info does not come
directly from these please post the link I am sure it could be traced back
because it sounds so much like the many press releases they churn out.

I tend to freak out at any scientific article that feels like it has to cite
the Old Testament, or anything religious :-o
I don't get all my information from the Internet This one was compounded
from several French books, including an history of diets. Considering the
book attacks vegetarians diets as badly as Atkins and low fat, I doubt it is
partial. I mainly consider that artificial diets are bad, no matter how
they're done.
Actually, as far as fad diets are concerned, I actually admit that Atkins is
not the worst. At least, it brought acceptance that fat are not Evil, and
kind of offset the damages that the low fat fad diets had spread. The
problem is that Atkins did that by diabolizing another food group. If you
look throughout history and believe all the diets, you don't have any food
group left to eat. Actually, you're not even allowed to drink water; in
1930, fat was caused by water, so you had to drink as little as possible to
lose fat. The recommendation back then was to use no salt and to drink two
glasses of water a day at most.
The problem I have with Atkins is that it is a diet, and works like all of
them. It removes you farther from eating like normal regulated human beings.
People with a regulated weight do not eat low carb or low fat, they just
regulate their caloric intake naturally. Any diet, of any kind, is just
worsening the problem by removing you farther from the norm. Atkins mainly
works by lessening your hunger and by restricting your food group (which
tend to make people eat less, that why all diets with very little diversity
work to a point). Instead of teaching you to handle your hunger, it worsens
the problem by teaching you to ignore it completely.

the low carb way of life only restricts heavily processed foods like
sugar,
white flour, white rice etc.

That was an evolution from the original Atkins diet. Besides, low carb diet
also controls the total intake of complex carbs (usually 30-100g). If you
eat 300g of brown rice a day and some brown bread on top of that, you're not
doing a low carb diet, you're doing a balanced diet.

Not true everyone becomes ketonic at some time during the day (most at
night
I am told)
http://www.ketosis-ketoacidosis-difference.com/

And night is fasting, so it's normal that some people might switch into
fasting mode then. Though you're supposed to use your stored carbs during
the night, and spend the beginning of it on the low glycemic carbs you ate
at dinner.
However, there is a difference between being in a metabolic state once in a
while, and being on it permanently. Sleeping at night is normal, falling
asleep throughout the day is a disease. Having blood sugar spikes from time
to time (stress, infection) is normal, having spikes all the time is a
disease. Just like having adrenaline rush from time to time is a sign of
health, but having them all the time is a disease (stress).

sorry lost me here what are we supposed to be intoxicating our brains
with?
Ketones?

Yes. Your brain responds to them, so it's a kind of intoxication. Just like
the people who are addicted on coffee or adrenaline rush.

You should rather seek proper
psychological help to deal with that craving in the first place, and eat
like a normal human being and accept the fact that your hunger is just
the
sign that your body knows what you need better than you do, not
something
you should struggle to ignore all the time...

once again we are not dealing with *normal* human beings.

Why? Do you think some kind of disease fell on you the day you became fat?
That's true for a minority, less than 10%. And even for these 10%, genetics
and metabolic diseases are only a part of the whole problem. For the huge
majority of us, the problem is a combination of behaviourism and psychology.
Sure, you can probably manage neurosis with diets, just like you can manage
it with medication, but I don't believe it's a good thing long term. The
goal should always be to go back to normal, not to settle yourself in your
troubles and hide them under magic thinking (miracle diet, gurus, pills...).
The problem is that people with dietetary related neurosis often are heavily
into magic thinking and identification with a guru, that's what make the fat
industry so lucrative.
Most obeses are rather normal human being, except for a heavy neurosis.
Besides, obeses are only a subset of the customers on the diet market. More
and more people with perfectly normal BMI ask for miracle diets, to lose
these 5 pounds that would change their lives. Usually, you find them 5-10
years later on the same market, except they now are obeses.

Can I suggest you lurk around some low carb forums and read just how its
not
working for yourself you cant argue with results I am afraid.

I don't claim it's not working short term. Or even that it's not working
long term for some people. Good for them. Just like low fat works for some
people. Actually, this is one of the context that has shown one of the best
success rate : people doing a diet themselves, without a doctor, but with a
strong support group. The worst success rate is among people who do visit a
doctor or a clinic; that should tell people something...
I only claim that from a statistical point of view, it's not working. The
USA has been on diets for half a century. They're the country with the
largest diversity in diet food, low carb, low fat, high protein, you have it
all. When visiting the USA, it has become close to impossible to buy normal
regular food, with no stuff removed and none added. Cooking in NYC was a
nightmare! The country has gone through three large "diet revolutions"
already : high protein, low fat, low carb. But obesity as a whole is not
decreasing thanks to all these diets, it's litterally exploding. And yet,
the answer to that is more diets sooner. If a solution is having the exact
opposite effect of what is intended, common sense would be that applying
that solution again and again on a larger and larger scale is not the
answer...
The problem is even worse with kids. We have gone from an instinctive way of
feeding kids (involving mother milk, you might think it would be the ideal
food for babies), to more and more artificial food (mother milk can't be
good! use powdered special baby milk instead! we got a cow industry to
feed!), to balacing their diets to avoid *futur* obesity (introducing
proteins earlier and earlier, which seems to be catastrophic and actually is
preparing them for obesity) and to actually putting them on diet sooner and
sooner. The end result : obesity is growing even faster among kids, and they
are obese sooner and sooner. Yet, the general trend is that we should keep
going along that way...
Diets are a lie. Most claim you will be able to eat as much as you want, and
that you will still lose weight. Being able to eat till you're full and yet
gain no weight has a name : it's boulimia. Low fat promised that by offering
to stuff yourself with delicious low calories fibers. Atkins promises that
through ketosis and fat. And that's exactly how so many diets work. Like
boulimics, you're able to maintain control for a while, by eating according
to the plan or exercising like crazy (another tactic used by boulimics) or
even, for some, using high fiber content as laxatives (again, courtesy of
the boulimics). And then, hyper-control slips and you have a boulimia crisis
(what is politely called bingeing for people on diets). For some,
hyper-control is possible throughout the life, just like some boulimics (or
anorexics) manage to maintain a stable weight. For others, this means a
lifelong alternance between control and slipping (yoyo effect). I don't
think building a neurosis in people on purpose is the healthy way of solving
obesity...
Of course, the fat business is so huge (think of all the money made in
books, light food, fat free ****, special Atkins bars, clinics...) that it's
doubtfull that many people are actually interrested in finding a solution,
especially if the solution is inexpensive and doesn't require people to
spend their life on it.

I used to be one of those people I would eat a variety of foods and not
put
any weight on once I got past my 20's and slowed down a little the weight
started to increase and most of us dont notice till its too late.

Why? Did you catch a disease in your 20s? How is low carb the solution to
this? How many diets have you done since your 20s? Usually, people actually
pave their ways into obesity *thanks* to diets. Yet, they keep going back to
diets.
If you were able to regulate your food at 20, it usually means your genetic
and metabolic background is good. Unless you had some major damage (brain
tumor, thyroid failure...), you still have the same background. The food you
ate was neither low carb, nor even healthy. To me, it just sounds like a
diet is not treating the root of the problem, it's just a quick patch that
can hide the problem for a while (or forever if you're lucky). The problem
is still there...

"Lictor" wrote in message
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"Dwayne" wrote in message
...
I'm not a vegetarian myself,

I wasnt suggesting you are I was suggesting the opinion you wrote sounded
like the stuff these people churn out.

the low carb way of life only restricts heavily processed foods like
sugar,
white flour, white rice etc.

That was an evolution from the original Atkins diet. Besides, low carb
diet
also controls the total intake of complex carbs (usually 30-100g). If you
eat 300g of brown rice a day and some brown bread on top of that, you're
not
doing a low carb diet, you're doing a balanced diet.

Sorry I dont think your right. This way of eating may be fine for some
people and I know there are many who eat like this and stay thin and healthy
but not everyone can.

Not true everyone becomes ketonic at some time during the day (most at
night
I am told)
http://www.ketosis-ketoacidosis-difference.com/

And night is fasting, so it's normal that some people might switch into
fasting mode then. Though you're supposed to use your stored carbs during
the night, and spend the beginning of it on the low glycemic carbs you ate
at dinner.

So if we are supposed to have carbs to fuel us throughout the day and night
like you say then when is the stored fat going to get used?


sorry lost me here what are we supposed to be intoxicating our brains
with?
Ketones?

Yes. Your brain responds to them, so it's a kind of intoxication. Just
like
the people who are addicted on coffee or adrenaline rush.

Sorry but there are some tests that say the brain (apart from a small part
at the stem that needs carbs) runs about 25% better on ketones I would
search out a link but you dont seem to be reading them.

Why? Do you think some kind of disease fell on you the day you became fat?
That's true for a minority, less than 10%. And even for these 10%,
genetics
and metabolic diseases are only a part of the whole problem. For the huge
majority of us, the problem is a combination of behaviourism and
psychology.
Sure, you can probably manage neurosis with diets, just like you can
manage
it with medication, but I don't believe it's a good thing long term. The
goal should always be to go back to normal, not to settle yourself in your
troubles and hide them under magic thinking (miracle diet, gurus,
pills...).
The problem is that people with dietetary related neurosis often are
heavily
into magic thinking and identification with a guru, that's what make the
fat
industry so lucrative.
Most obeses are rather normal human being, except for a heavy neurosis.
Besides, obeses are only a subset of the customers on the diet market.
More
and more people with perfectly normal BMI ask for miracle diets, to lose
these 5 pounds that would change their lives. Usually, you find them 5-10
years later on the same market, except they now are obeses.

Can I ask if you are or have been overweight or some kind of nutritionist?


Can I suggest you lurk around some low carb forums and read just how its
not
working for yourself you cant argue with results I am afraid.

I don't claim it's not working short term. Or even that it's not working
long term for some people. Good for them. Just like low fat works for some
people. Actually, this is one of the context that has shown one of the
best
success rate : people doing a diet themselves, without a doctor, but with
a
strong support group.

So now your saying it does work great then we have no discussion then. It
does work and as long as you can stick to it then it will continue to work
the big difference I think with Low carb ways of eating is that it is not so
big a problem to stick to.

Of course, the fat business is so huge (think of all the money made in
books, light food, fat free ****, special Atkins bars, clinics...) that
it's
doubtfull that many people are actually interrested in finding a solution,
especially if the solution is inexpensive and doesn't require people to
spend their life on it.

This I can agree with you on. So far I have spent about 8 pounds sterling on
Atkins books I dont buy the bars or the supplements because I dont find them
neccesary.


I used to be one of those people I would eat a variety of foods and not
put
any weight on once I got past my 20's and slowed down a little the
weight
started to increase and most of us dont notice till its too late.

Why? Did you catch a disease in your 20s? How is low carb the solution to
this? How many diets have you done since your 20s? Usually, people
actually
pave their ways into obesity *thanks* to diets. Yet, they keep going back
to
diets.

Only the disease of getting married and slowing my lifestyle down and the
weight slowly increased but even when I decided many years later to correct
this I started Thai boxing, jogging and went lowish fat supposedly healthy
way of eating (I was eating way less calories than I do now) and even though
I was losing I felt terrible the heartburn I had suffered with all my life
got worse and I just didnt have any spare energy but I had trouble sleeping
too. After the usual christmas excesses and quitting smoking I had risen to
210lb + and my feet where starting to feel the weight. Started Atkins at the
end of Feb 04 and am now down to 195lbs and I feel bloody great loads of
energy, sleeping much better no heartburn I havent had to use my asthma
inhalers and my waist has shrunk by 2inches. I forsee no problems with
following this way of eating for the rest of my life its easy.

So if we are supposed to have carbs to fuel us throughout the day and night
like you say then when is the stored fat going to get used?

How about when we are working out or doing anything active??!!

What has happened that no one gets any exercise anymore? Any type of
diet that completely cuts an element out is wrong. I can understand
if it is a moral decision, but to cut out anything entirely is too
drastic. Moderation is key!!