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barrdbarrbarr wrote:
:: I asked her when she told me about it. She says that the infusion of :: heat followed by the walk kickstarts your metabolism. She also didn't :: force the issue - she said it works for her and her family, and that :: is something they do regularly. I did some google research, and I :: found :: quite a few references to similar East Indian cleansing techniques. I :: don't suggest it's hard science. But, I take her word that it works :: for her. I felt very good after I tried it, so I thought I would :: share it :: with the group. With all things, YMMV. Does it cleanse you or kick start your metabolism? Or it is hooey? :: :: Regards, :: :: Deb :: 260/209.5/135 :: :: :: Pat wrote: :::: Could be... but it's just water (and lime + cayenne if one :::: chooses). East Indians have a lot of beauty secrets, and my friend :::: says this is one of them. She is not the type of person to spout :::: "hooey". But, it may not work for everyone. That's why I suggested :::: an experiment. :::: :::: Regards, :::: :::: Deb ::: ::: ::: ::: What is the theory behind this idea? How would it help your body ::: for hot water to hit your stomach in a large quantity? And, so it ::: gets in the stomach....so what? Ask her for the theory behind this ::: plan, please. ::: ::: Pat in TX |
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TavliGal wrote:
:: barrdbarrbarr wrote: :::: :::: What do you think? :::: :::: -- :::: Regards, :::: :::: Deb :::: 260/209.5/135 :: :: Some people are just not open to others' ways. Even (especially) in :: North America. I'm not surprised about the resistance in this :: thread. :: Lots of cultures do this too: japanese, chinese, even greeks know :: and practice this on occasion. Not necessarily the method you :: described, but drinking hot water yes, and/or with a dash of lemon :: as a bonus. I've heard reasons behind this as being - it helps :: digestion and aids in dissolving fat, or as you say, gives you a :: good cleanse. Whether it's true or not, who knows. But it :: certainly isn't something that would hurt anyhow. :: There is usually a good reason behind the customs/methods of "old :: wives tales" in every culture. Yeah, if you call ignorant nonsense a good reason... :: Monica :: :: -- :: Started 01/20/04 :: 362/300.2/250 :: __________________________________________________ ______ :: "Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to :: unlocking our potential." :: - Winston Churchill :: :: :: :: --- :: Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. :: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). :: Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/04 |
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barrdbarrbarr wrote:
:: Thank you, Monica :: :: You said it way better than I could. You should happy you didn't say it. :: :: Regards, :: :: Deb :: 260/209.5/135 :: :: :: TavliGal wrote: ::: barrdbarrbarr wrote: ::: ::::: What do you think? ::::: ::::: -- ::::: Regards, ::::: ::::: Deb ::::: 260/209.5/135 ::: ::: ::: Some people are just not open to others' ways. Even (especially) ::: in North America. I'm not surprised about the resistance in this ::: thread. ::: Lots of cultures do this too: japanese, chinese, even greeks know ::: and practice this on occasion. Not necessarily the method you ::: described, but drinking hot water yes, and/or with a dash of lemon ::: as a bonus. I've heard reasons behind this as being - it helps ::: digestion and aids in dissolving fat, or as you say, gives you a ::: good cleanse. Whether it's true or not, who knows. But it ::: certainly isn't something that would hurt anyhow. ::: There is usually a good reason behind the customs/methods of "old ::: wives tales" in every culture. ::: Monica |
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Temperature of the water you drink will only have a placebo effect.
However, adding 4 to 5 glasses of water to your routine can change things. |
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No wonder you're so fat.
-- You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW "TavliGal" wrote in message news:yS6uc.584145$Pk3.122806@pd7tw1no... Pat wrote: I am generally wary when people use the phrase "cleans the inside of your body" or something similar. I don't believe our bodies NEED the insides cleaned! Sure they do. Even low carbing one still gets plenty of toxins in their bodies. It builds up. If you don't "cleanse" every so often your body will simply go into dis-ease. Monica -- Started 01/20/04 362/300.2/250 __________________________________________________ ______ "Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential." - Winston Churchill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/04 |
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Could be... but it's just water (and lime + cayenne if one chooses). East Indians have a lot of beauty secrets, and my friend says this is one of them. She is not the type of person to spout "hooey". But, it may not work for everyone. That's why I suggested an experiment. Were you drinking 4-5 glasses of even cold water every morning previously? If this was a 'trick' to get you to drink more water, I'd say that's why it worked. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5'7" 265/198/140 & hubby- 6' 310/210/180 |
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No, not in the morning. But I do drink *lots* of water every day -
probably 3-4 liters. Most here will probably not believe this now, but I am a very skeptical person. (Carl Sagan is one of my heroes.) However, I also trust my friend implicitly. Her integrity and honor are rock solid. *That's* why I decided to try her water therapy. Many things in nature have been observed, practiced, or believed before they were scientifically investigated and disproven (or not). We should also remember that before the studies, Atkins was a joke. Many people considered it to be quackery and snake oil. And many people still do. But low-carb worked for most who tried it, even before it was scientifically investigated. "Letter on Corpulence," William Banting, 1869. Regards, Deb 260/209.5/135 LCer09 wrote: Could be... but it's just water (and lime + cayenne if one chooses). East Indians have a lot of beauty secrets, and my friend says this is one of them. She is not the type of person to spout "hooey". But, it may not work for everyone. That's why I suggested an experiment. Were you drinking 4-5 glasses of even cold water every morning previously? If this was a 'trick' to get you to drink more water, I'd say that's why it worked. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5'7" 265/198/140 & hubby- 6' 310/210/180 |
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TavliGal wrote:
Sure they do. Even low carbing one still gets plenty of toxins in their bodies. It builds up. If you don't "cleanse" every so often your body will simply go into dis-ease. What a load of crap. But it sure sells a lot of high-priced bull**** cleaning products and plans, which cause your body to remove NO more and with some plans LESS, toxins than it does normally. -- insert article -- The Weekend Australian The dangers of detox diets By Emily Smith May 08, 2004 After a Christmas or Easter break the inevitable cry of "I'm detoxing" is heard around the Western world with people signing up for a two-day or two-week diet designed to fix all the ills of a long weekend or lifetime of poor diet and pollutants. But is detoxing really as effective or safe as commonly believed? Dietitians have been fighting the misconceptions surrounding detox diets for years and say that not only are the diets ineffective but they can also be dangerous. Tania Ferraretto is a privately practising dietitian and spokesperson for the Dietitians Association of Australia. Dr Ferraretto sees a dozen people a year after Christmas who have been on detox diets and says that while increasing fruit and vegetable intake is desirable for most people, short-term diets will not affect long-term health. "They usually come to see me because the diet is not working or having the effects they expected," she says. "I recently saw a woman, she was in her 30s ,and wanted to lose weight and started on a restricted diet of fruit and vegetables. When she came to me, saying that the diet was not working, she displayed the classic symptoms: tiredness and lethargy, constipation and bad breath." But Ferraretto says while these are relatively mild symptoms, if a diet involves restricted food intake over a long period more serious conditions can develop, varying from bowel and respiratory problems to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Many detox diets also prescribe copious amounts of water that can, in extreme cases, result in water toxicity, or hyponatraemia; when sodium levels and other body salts, or electrolytes, in the blood are too dilute. The dangers of hyponatraemia and detoxing were seen in a case in Britain last year when The Times reported a 23-year-old man going into a coma for four days after a 21-day detox diet of fruit, vegetables, juice and water. The lack of sodium combined with at least five litres of water a day caused his sodium levels to drop and his brain to swell. It is easy to see how detoxing can look attractive, in theory. Most detox diets assert that too much of the wrong sorts of food, a polluted environment, and unhealthy habits such as drinking and smoking contribute to a build-up of poisonous substances in the body. According to the theories, by adhering to a diet of "pure" foods you will purge yourself of poisons and undo the damage wreaked on your health. The purported solution commonly involves drinking two litres or more of water, accompanied by fruit or vegetable juice and unlimited consumption of raw fruit and vegetables. Meat, dairy and starches such as bread or pasta are usually recommended in small amounts or excluded all together. However, recent US trials of detox plans at the University of Southern California found that none of the prominent detox diets, including a version of the popular liver-cleansing diet and the fruit-juice diet, lived up to the claims that they would purge environmental toxins over and above what the body does naturally. Clare Collins, a consultant dietitian from the University of Newcastle, says that while there is merit in encouraging people to increase their fruit and vegetable intake, the misconception is that excluding food groups will give the body a rest, or that the body even needs a rest. "Your body detoxes naturally all the time through the liver and the kidneys," Dr Collins says. "And reducing your food intake is not going to speed up the process or compensate for bad foods, and may, in fact, end up doing more harm than good." The irony, Collins explains, is that the fasting can actually slow down the rate of the natural elimination of toxins by the body. Lowering energy consumption slows down metabolism and reducing or eliminating protein, found in meat and fish, can slow the function of the liver. "This is why the physical symptoms of a long-term detox diet are very similar to someone undertaking a fast." The physical symptoms of a fast can include headaches, constipation and bad breath - a result of your body burning muscle. Many advocates of detoxification diets believe these symptoms are signs that the body is detoxing, purging itself of poisons - a theory Collins refutes. "Some religions use fasting as part of their spiritual practice, and over short periods this is fairly safe." But while these spiritual fasts - such as Ramadan in Islam and the Jewish Yom Kippur, allow food to be consumed at certain times with followers "planning" their intake to avoid hunger - most detox programs advocate 48 hours to seven days of a strict dietary regimen, with some recommending up to 21 days of restricted eating. Collins says the most extreme example of a spiritual detox in Australia is the now infamous Breatharian diet, where a Brisbane woman died after a week of "consuming" nothing but air. Lani Morris believed that the black bile she was coughing was a result of the physical and spiritual cleansing of the 21-day initiation diet that advocated no food or water for a week and then two weeks of nothing but orange juice. Morris, 53, died on July 1, 1999, suffering from pneumonia, dehydration, kidney failure and stroke. "Once someone is in a fasting state it can become difficult for them to think rationally," Collins says. "Your electrolytes become disturbed and you stop thinking rationally; you are easy to control." People who fast for prolonged periods also face a higher risk of what Collins calls the "refeeding syndrome". "If you have fasting for a long period of time, you can't start eating normally because your cell content is disturbed. If you try and ingest huge amounts of calories you can die," Collins says. Ferraretto agrees with Collins that the psychology of a detox diet can appeal to people who are already vulnerable to control issues surrounding food, and that when taken to the extreme - such as in the case of the Breatharian diet - detox diets can become eating disorders. The high availability of various detox diets, from books, magazines and the Internet to alternative medicine practitioners, means people who are vulnerable to eating disorders can attach themselves to a diet as a way of controlling their relationship with food. Earlier this year Ferraretto treated a 15-year-old girl who started on a detox diet of fruit and vegetables but, after the two-week period of the diet was up, found herself unable to go back to eating normal food. By the time she saw Ferraretto, she was exhibiting the physical symptoms of anorexia nervosa, had vitamin deficiencies, couldn't concentrate at school and her hair had started to fall out. "She was already vulnerable, and was prescribed this diet by a natural medicine practitioner," Ferraretto says. This is a story familiar to Anna Harvey, a support worker in Adelaide for the Eating Disorder Association, who has seen eating disorder patients subscribing to bizarre detoxification diets. She recently met a young girl who had restricted herself to a diet of offal - animal brains and kidneys - for six weeks after being prescribed it by a naturopath to rehabilitate supposed deficiencies. "When this girl came to us she could hardly leave the house and although she hated what she was eating, she couldn't stand to eat anything else," Harvey says. But while the length and content of detox diets varies dramatically, is there any evidence that the basic detox diet consisting of a fruit and vegetable "overload" will help you at all? Trent Watson is a nutritionist from the University of Newcastle studying the effects of anti-oxidants on the performance of athletes. "A fruit and vegetable binge will fill your body with anti-oxidants, but how much good that is going to do you is very questionable," Watson says. His research has focused on the comparison between anti-oxidants found naturally in vegetables and those in vitamin supplements, and their effectiveness in fighting free radicals, oxidants naturally produced by the body, especially when exercising or in times of stress. Watson found that excess consumption of double the recommended intake of fruit and vegetables helped athletes when they were in training, and producing more free radicals, but had no extra beneficial effect when they were at rest. "The detox diet operates under the same quick-fix philosophy as vitamin tablets," he says. "And whole fruit and vegetables provide anti-oxidants in the best quantities and combinations possible, and these need to be ingested regularly, five serves every day. "Having 10 serves a day for a week, and then eating none for a week, is not the answer." Watson warns against the idea that anti-oxidants can be made up through vitamin supplements and says these quick-fix solutions can end up harming the body. A study from the US National Cancer Institute in 1994 published in the New England Journal of Medicine looked at the effects of beta carotene, a well-known anti-oxidant with cancer-fighting properties, on the incidence of lung cancer in men. One group of men were (sic) put on a balanced diet high in fruit and vegetables high in beta-carotene or pro-vitamin A, found in orange foods such as carrot and sweet potato. The next group was given beta-carotene supplements and the final group was given a placebo. Not only did the group with the fruit and vegetable intake get a lower incidence of cancer, but the group taking the supplements had a higher incidence of cancer than the placebo group and the trial had to be terminated. "Concentrating anti-oxidants in a tablet do not give you the same benefits as fruit and vegetables because you need the other vitamins found in the vegetable to get the benefits of the anti-oxidant." Watson says that so far his research has confirmed that fruit and vegetables seem to have the anti-oxidants in the right amount and balance for your body, but that eating a diet of just fruit and vegetables can be as ineffective as not eating them at all. "Fruit and vegetables need to be part of a balanced diet," he says. "The anti-oxidants won't work as well if your metabolism has dropped, because you are not eating adequate amounts of carbohydrate and protein needed to process the vitamins." Watson and the dietitian association advocate long-term eating plans that incorporate the five food groups, with at least five serves of vegetables (two cups) and two pieces of fruit a day. Most people can make some improvements by increasing their intake of fruit and vegetables. The last National Nutrition Survey, taken in 1995, showed that Australians are only consuming half the recommended intake of fruit and vegetables. Ferraretto claims that people need to understand that food is not going to detoxify the body and should stop seeking answers in ready-made solutions. "Many of the claims made by the now famous liver-cleansing diet are fairly unsubstantiated," she says. "Your liver, like the rest of your body, does its job best when you are eating a balanced diet, including carbohydrates and protein." Collins says the celebrity status of many detox diets - such as the orange food diet and the raw food diet - create misconceptions that many foods such as meat and dairy are loaded with toxins. For many people, it is easy to believe that "toxins" are responsible for feeling sluggish or for being overweight. "Our food supply in the Western world is quite safe. And fruit and vegetables also contain bac teria that need to be broken down by the body," she says. "Most detoxifying diets rest on the myth that you are somehow flushing the system, and you have to wonder why people feel the need to do that. "While the minerals and vitamins in fruit and vegetables are undeniably good for you, they cannot do a better job of cleansing the system than your liver and your kidneys." Watson feels that while fad diets capture people's attention, if only for a short time, it is healthy eating that needs a marketing makeover. "People are bored with the concept of a balanced diet, but so far it is the only one that has been shown to make a real impact on long-term health," he says. "Nutrition isn't rocket science." (c) The Australian --- end article --- -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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Roger Zoul wrote:
Does it cleanse you or kick start your metabolism? Or it is hooey? "Cleansing" IS hooey. -- jamie ) "There's a seeker born every minute." |
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"JC Der Koenig"
East Indians also have a lot of snake charmers and other assorted flim flam artists. JC I believe it is flin flan ??? wrote in message ... East Indians also have a lot of snake charmers and other assorted flim flam artists. -- You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW "barrdbarrbarr" wrote in message news:9N5uc.609$pX3.399@clgrps12... Could be... but it's just water (and lime + cayenne if one chooses). East Indians have a lot of beauty secrets, and my friend says this is one of them. She is not the type of person to spout "hooey". But, it may not work for everyone. That's why I suggested an experiment. Regards, Deb 260/209.5/135 Luna wrote: In article Jr5uc.6539$ig5.438@edtnps89, barrdbarrbarr wrote: Okay, yesterday morning and this morning, I tried a Hot Water Therapy that my East Indian friend told me about. And last night, the whoosh fairy took 3 lbs, breaking a week-long stall and putting me in the 50 club! It would be great if some of the posters here would give this therapy a try with me, to see if it can be used as a stall-buster. The purpose of the therapy is to cleanse your insides and drop a few pounds. Here is what you do: Every morning, for a week, drink 4-5 glasses of water *as hot as you can stand it* in as short a time as you can. Then, go for a 15-20 minute power walk. Then continue with your breakfast and normal daily routine. You can add a squeeze of lime juice to the water if you like, and you can take some cayenne capsules for added burn. I took two yesterday, but skipped them today. I like the lime juice, though - it makes the hot water much easier to drink. What do you think? I think it sounds like a bunch of hooey. |
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