Corporate Responsiblity for Obesity

Dave Head writes:

Yeah, but... they've gotta catch 'em first.

They are very often caught. Violent people often have long records
extending all the way back to adolescence. Many eventually have to go
away for a long time, and others are killed by people even more
violent than themselves (violent people tend to attract each other).

No, I'm not.

Yes, you are. You're frustrated that you can't do anything on USENET
to _force_ someone to see things your way, so you allude to all sorts
of physical violence in an attempt to let off some steam. It's the
closest you can come to hitting someone yourself. People (or at least
some people) get violent when they get emotional; they get emotional
when they hold irrational opinions and those opinions are relentlessly
questioned by others.

On the contrary, you surely must have heard of revolving door justice. These
people that do this sort of thing are usually out of jail before the cop gets
all the paperwork done.

Some are, some aren't. A lot of them end up in prison.

I am not mean, but those who are actually do that sort of thing, and get away
with it repeatedly and often. That's how we know they're mean, and yeah,
they're out of jail a _lot_.

Do you watch a lot of action movies?

I didn't say they were. The situation is that this extremely unpleasant usenet
poster that I have killfiled might shoot off her/its mouth to the right (wrong)
person and cause an attack from the sort of person that would be inclined to do
that.

He might, but there are very few people like that, so it's pretty
unlikely.

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The Queen of Cans and Jars writes:

I don't care much when men hit each other, and I don't care much when
women hit each other. I do care when men hit women. It doesn't have to
make sense; it's just how I feel.

Kind of like throwing innocent blacks in jail as opposed to jailing
innocent whites?

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Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for
quite some time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by
converting existing fat into it in the weight room, and the muscle is
heavier, so I am too.


If you're burning more calories than you eat, how are you gaining weight?

Andy

Dave Head writes:

Naw, that was no threat... it was just making her/it aware that a mouth like
that could get them in trouble (but not from me... I'd just walk away...).

Your motives are transparent.

I actually know of a female who was like that, who is dead now, shot, and I
always have to wonder if the guy that did it just got tired of her mouth.

Where is the guy now?

Jail? Who's talking about jail now? PETA just doesn't want to get shot, so it
picks on blue-hair old ladies wearing fur.

PETA isn't likely to get shot in front of two hundred witnesses. Even
the punks aren't usually that stupid.

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Dave Head writes:

Peanuts are healthy ...

They are mostly fat.

This isn't about me ...

Repeating it will not make it so.

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They can be healthy if the only ingredient in the brand is peanuts (none of
the partially hydrogenated crap, added sugar, etc.) and if they are consumed
in moderation. They are good for the heart as they contain the right
combination of fats.

Andy wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
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Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for
quite some time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by
converting existing fat into it in the weight room, and the muscle is
heavier, so I am too.


If you're burning more calories than you eat, how are you gaining weight?

Andy

That's a real mystery, all right. All I know is that when I started in
September, 2004, I was counting calories around 2500 - 3000 a day, and
exercising my buns off, usually achieving an average 1200 calorie burn
about 4 times a week. that should have been somewhere close to "even"
or "slightly under" what I was taking in. My metabolism I think is
around 2200. Figure an average 2750 calories a day intake, that's 550
a day difference * 7 days - 4800 of exercise should have been 1000
calories of deficit - I should have lost a pound every 3 1/2 weeks.

But my weight shot up like an arrow. About all I can figure is that it
doesn't take anywhere near 3500 extra calories to form a pound of
muscle. It stands to reason, that if fat is 9 calories per gram when
you eat it, and both carbs and protein are 4 calories per gram when you
eat them, then it shouldn't take more than about 1500 calories to form
an extra pound of muscle. Burn a pound of fat off, and put about 2 1/4
lbs of muscle on with the extra energy. At least I think that's what
was happening.

I did manage to slip out of the weight-loss regemin last fall when I
hurt myself with an unusual exercise late last summer. My personal
trainer had me doing a step sideways with elastic resistance, and an
old irritation of my left hip, caused by too much bowling in the early
1990's, flared up and kept me from exercising areobically as much as I
would like to have. Also, on a camping trip in September, I reached
behind me to pick up a pack and (further) hurt my left shoulder, which
was overstressed sometime before that, not sure when/where. So, I was
really taking it easy in the gym last fall, and think I could account
for about an 8 lb gain that way.

But that is coming back off, but seriously slowly. I lift and ride the
cross trainer, and mostly I just get bigger and/or more capable in the
quantity and repetition I can lift. Has to be more muscle present to
be able to do that, and since muscle is heavier than fat per unit
volume, I think that the muscle is the weight gain.

Dave Head

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for quite some
time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by converting existing fat into
it in the weight room, and the muscle is heavier, so I am too.

Fat cannot be converted into muscle.

That has not been my experience. The fat leaves, the muscle arrives...
don't ask me how it works, but the numbers indicate that it works. I
should have been _losing_ weight, at about a pound every 3 1/2 weeks,
but my weight shot up like an arrow. The energy from my fat was being
used to make muscle, I do believe.

Dave Head

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Mxsmanic wrote:

The Queen of Cans and Jars writes:

I don't care much when men hit each other, and I don't care much when
women hit each other. I do care when men hit women. It doesn't have to
make sense; it's just how I feel.

Kind of like throwing innocent blacks in jail as opposed to jailing
innocent whites?

Not even close. I have no idea how you extrapolated that from what I
wrote.

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Andy wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for
quite some time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by
converting existing fat into it in the weight room, and the muscle
is heavier, so I am too.


If you're burning more calories than you eat, how are you gaining
weight?

Andy

That's a real mystery, all right. All I know is that when I started
in September, 2004, I was counting calories around 2500 - 3000 a day,
and exercising my buns off, usually achieving an average 1200 calorie
burn about 4 times a week. that should have been somewhere close to
"even" or "slightly under" what I was taking in. My metabolism I think
is around 2200. Figure an average 2750 calories a day intake, that's
550 a day difference * 7 days - 4800 of exercise should have been 1000
calories of deficit - I should have lost a pound every 3 1/2 weeks.

But my weight shot up like an arrow. About all I can figure is that
it doesn't take anywhere near 3500 extra calories to form a pound of
muscle. It stands to reason, that if fat is 9 calories per gram when
you eat it, and both carbs and protein are 4 calories per gram when
you eat them, then it shouldn't take more than about 1500 calories to
form an extra pound of muscle. Burn a pound of fat off, and put about
2 1/4 lbs of muscle on with the extra energy. At least I think that's
what was happening.

I did manage to slip out of the weight-loss regemin last fall when I
hurt myself with an unusual exercise late last summer. My personal
trainer had me doing a step sideways with elastic resistance, and an
old irritation of my left hip, caused by too much bowling in the early
1990's, flared up and kept me from exercising areobically as much as I
would like to have. Also, on a camping trip in September, I reached
behind me to pick up a pack and (further) hurt my left shoulder, which
was overstressed sometime before that, not sure when/where. So, I was
really taking it easy in the gym last fall, and think I could account
for about an 8 lb gain that way.

But that is coming back off, but seriously slowly. I lift and ride
the cross trainer, and mostly I just get bigger and/or more capable in
the quantity and repetition I can lift. Has to be more muscle present
to be able to do that, and since muscle is heavier than fat per unit
volume, I think that the muscle is the weight gain.

Dave Head


Dave,

What's your body fat %? I read somewhere that serious athletes get down
to 5%, any lower could cause serious problems. Take it easy anyway. You
can overdo a good thing is all I mean.

All the best,

Andy

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:52:50 -0600, Andy q wrote:

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Andy wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
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Dave Head writes:

Overall, my calorie intake has been less than my calorie burn for
quite some time. I've just laid on about 30 lbs of muscle by
converting existing fat into it in the weight room, and the muscle
is heavier, so I am too.


If you're burning more calories than you eat, how are you gaining
weight?

Andy

That's a real mystery, all right. All I know is that when I started
in September, 2004, I was counting calories around 2500 - 3000 a day,
and exercising my buns off, usually achieving an average 1200 calorie
burn about 4 times a week. that should have been somewhere close to
"even" or "slightly under" what I was taking in. My metabolism I think
is around 2200. Figure an average 2750 calories a day intake, that's
550 a day difference * 7 days - 4800 of exercise should have been 1000
calories of deficit - I should have lost a pound every 3 1/2 weeks.

But my weight shot up like an arrow. About all I can figure is that
it doesn't take anywhere near 3500 extra calories to form a pound of
muscle. It stands to reason, that if fat is 9 calories per gram when
you eat it, and both carbs and protein are 4 calories per gram when
you eat them, then it shouldn't take more than about 1500 calories to
form an extra pound of muscle. Burn a pound of fat off, and put about
2 1/4 lbs of muscle on with the extra energy. At least I think that's
what was happening.

I did manage to slip out of the weight-loss regemin last fall when I
hurt myself with an unusual exercise late last summer. My personal
trainer had me doing a step sideways with elastic resistance, and an
old irritation of my left hip, caused by too much bowling in the early
1990's, flared up and kept me from exercising areobically as much as I
would like to have. Also, on a camping trip in September, I reached
behind me to pick up a pack and (further) hurt my left shoulder, which
was overstressed sometime before that, not sure when/where. So, I was
really taking it easy in the gym last fall, and think I could account
for about an 8 lb gain that way.

But that is coming back off, but seriously slowly. I lift and ride
the cross trainer, and mostly I just get bigger and/or more capable in
the quantity and repetition I can lift. Has to be more muscle present
to be able to do that, and since muscle is heavier than fat per unit
volume, I think that the muscle is the weight gain.

Dave Head


Dave,

What's your body fat %? I read somewhere that serious athletes get down
to 5%, any lower could cause serious problems. Take it easy anyway. You
can overdo a good thing is all I mean.

All the best,

Andy

Hi Andy,

Don't know exactly, but it is not impressive, I can guarantee that. The health
club doesn't have a measurement for it, or if it does, I haven't had it done.
They have an estimator that I don't think is applicable any more. Anyway, I
still have what my personal trainer estimates to be about 20 lbs excess fat
yet. I think its at least that. I'm 220, she thinks I should be 200. Slowly
working on it, but the progress is really slow - instead of getting lighter, I
mostly just get stronger.

Anyway, yeah, its my nature to overdo things. I'm just trying to hold enough
of a lid on this to not hurt myself, at least not too often. I enjoy it quite
a bit, so it's really easy to get into an overuse situation.

Dave Head