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Ub Iwerks wrote:
"Ignoramus8546" wrote in message ... Some random thoughts... 1. The purpose of posting food logs is to, first, be accountable, and second, to invite comments. The purpose is in the mind of the original poster. You are assuming the poster is inviting comments. For example, no one knows the purpose for your reply here; perhaps you want to help, perhaps you want to be seen as an expert, perhaps you have no life and just want to flood Usenet with your pontification. She invited me to comment, knowing I was going to be critical. In fact, all the suggestions she's gotten (that I've seen) have been along the same lines. That's because this group has a sort of groupthink going on. I came in here eating a low-fat high-carb diet and upset because I had never been successful in losing fat and keeping it off. I learned the lessons passed along in here by the ones who came before - Mistress Krista, Barbara Hirsch, Carol, a variety of other long-term maintainers. Now I pass them along. Trying to persuade someone to stay here when they cleary are upset and do not want to is not reasonable, unless you want them to stay as fodder for your unwanted replies. I agree with this. This is a diet newsgroup, so, comments about people's diets are to be expected. This is a support newsgroup, first, so support is to be expected. This is alt.SUPPORT.diet, not alt.DIET.support. Well, supporting somebody means different things to different people, doesn't it? Telling someone when they're going down the wrong path is am act of Christian charity in a certain light, wouldn't you say? 2. Fish oil supplements, and such, are food and should be included in food logs. Right. She also mentioned ingredients in her food logs that weren't evident - I mean, who puts cheese in risotto? Or yogurt in parfait? If these are for accountability oughtn't she to add up the calories and/or points and/or macronutrient grams or something? If they're not for accountability then it seems they're fair to comment on. If she really wants her accountability to be anonymous I highly recommend she log at www.fitday.com. 3. Saying that Annabel has bad skin, without seeing it, is not wise. No, it's presumptive. It's physiological. People who eat very low fat diets are short-changing some of the processes that the skin uses to repair itself. Eczema, dry patches, dull hair, lusterless skin, poor elasticity... these are all results of a low-fat diet. It's how bodies work. 5. Saying that Annabel cannot lose weight, is based on conjecture and not facts, she might be able to lose weight and keep it off. Saying that Annabel cannot lose fat and keep it off by doing the same thing she's been doing is basing future performance on past history. The main thing I'd say about that is that it's unkind. I'm unkind sometimes. She did not ask for your suggestion. Are you too wrapped up in yourself to see that YOU are one of those she does not wish to deal with? Get a grip. She may prefer support groups that fit more closely with her dieting philosophy. There is a low-fat group here, as I recall, and she may find weight watchers to be helpful - they've got a lot of online support. We all come at this from different directions. The ones that settle in here and do well have thick skins, take the bad with the good, and are open to trying new things. After all, if you want to change you're going to have to change. And change is hard work. Dally |
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Patricia Heil wrote:
I didn't know there was such a thing as a British physiology that was different from physiology anywhere else in the world. Interesting observation. Seems to me like there are plenty of general regional variations in physiology, worldwide. Whether any of them are relevant to weight loss is another question, I guess. M -- "It's the small gaps between the rain that count, and learning how to live amongst them." -- Jeff Noon |
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how British people normally eat. I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever invented, all by myself. Good bye. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg Sorry to see you go Annabel, this group is sometimes hard hitting.. I see it as a form of tough love. If your looking for informative diverse opinions on how others have successfully lost weight and kept it off, this is the place to be. If not, do it your way. It's obviously gotten you fantastic results right? /sarcasm I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help.. not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me. Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep enlightening me on eating disorders. Please.. Susan(reformed top poster) 280/187/140 |
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"Annabel Smyth" wrote in message ... Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how British people normally eat. I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever invented, all by myself. Good bye. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg Sorry to see you go Annabel, this group is sometimes hard hitting.. I see it as a form of tough love. If your looking for informative diverse opinions on how others have successfully lost weight and kept it off, this is the place to be. If not, do it your way. It's obviously gotten you fantastic results right? /sarcasm I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help.. not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me. Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep enlightening me on eating disorders. Please.. Susan(reformed top poster) 280/187/140 |
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SusanLewis wrote:
I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help.. not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me. Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep enlightening me on eating disorders. Please.. Susan(reformed top poster) 280/187/140 That's so great to hear! (All of it - not just the reformed top-posting part.) :-) By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds. Dally 244/175/168 |
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Subject: Good-bye
From: Annabel Smyth Date: 8/23/2004 5:38 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how British people normally eat. I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever invented, all by myself. and what way is that? Good bye. -- Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg |
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Nourishment wrote:
Sorry, but I'm sick of know-it-all Americans telling me how I should or shouldn't eat when they know nothing of me, or my lifestyle, or even how British people normally eat. I'll lose weight the way I did the first time, before Usenet was ever invented, all by myself. and what way is that? 11 years ago, before she quit smoking, before she became menopausal, she lost 50 pounds with a low-fat/high-carb calorie restriction method. She's since regained it all (I think, I'm not clear on where she stands currently) and is here looking for support to repeat what she considers to have been a success. I've been unnecessarily mean to her. It doesn't appear to have helped her much. I have vague pangs of guilt. Very vague. Dally |
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"Dally" wrote in message ... SusanLewis wrote: I have learned over the course of my new WOE that I have had to retrain myself and relearn how to eat. As it turns out, most of what I THOUGHT I knew was wrong. Learning how to deal with that has been astonishing. asd helped me relearn. Doing it MY way is what kept me fat unhealthy and miserable. I now can admit that all those years.. I WAS WRONG. That realization was my turning point, my epiphany. If you want help, real help.. not fluffy "you can do it! even though you're changing the rules to suit yourself.." bull****. Stay, lurk and be objective. You obviously have not hit your bottom yet. You've not come to the realization that your method does not work yet, or you wouldnt be here. If your method worked, You'd be fit and thin right? At almost 100 lbs later I can sincerely say thank you to asd for being as hardcore and hard hitting as they were to me. Dally? keep correcting me, Chris keep drumming your poached eggs with ff cheese into my head. Patricia keep telling me to exercise, glo keep cheering me on, Beverly keep telling me that curves works for beginners. Jenn keep telling me that I need protein, Laurie keep walking on and making sure I read it each time I read one of your posts, Ig keep digging up info so I can read it, JayJay keep being the fit healthy mom I strive to be. janice keep enlightening me on eating disorders. Please.. Susan(reformed top poster) 280/187/140 That's so great to hear! (All of it - not just the reformed top-posting part.) :-) By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds. Dally 244/175/168 I dunno Dally, I've gotten discouraged just recently. Yes my loss has been life changing, awesome yadda yadda blahblahblah, but I also realized the honeymoon is over for me. The real work begins now. The last 50 some odd lbs are not going to just drop off of me like magic and frankly it's scary. I find myself more often than I'd like wondering what it would be like not walking everyday, what it would be like to go on and eat that big plate of enchiladas rice and beans with a few flour tortillias slathered in butter and a big glass of sugar sweetened ice tea. I keep repeating to myself "nothing taste as good as thin feels" but ya know.. I'm not thin yet and nothing tastes good anyways. So what's the point? And the bitch about it all is, I KNOW this is negative thinking, I of all people know this type of thinking will not get results that I want for the long term. I just wonder if I am up to the challenge of the last 50 or not. Ya know, sometimes I really wonder if I am hanging on to the last 50 for some reason. Why am I not as excited and encouraged as I was when I started this? Is my fat a security for me? I've *never* been ideal weight, what is it going to be like, will I like it there, or what if I get obsessive and go too thin? Then theres the skin issue to deal with when I do actually make my goal. How is looking at that skin hanging there gonna affect me everyday? Is there some emotional or mental hangup I need to address before I can make the decision to get it the heck off me? I want to fit into my size 14's(which I justify with the fact of my size 12 kid cant even get in them, so they are not really "14's") and I've worked so hard and I STILL dont fit in them. That fact alone simply ****es me off (lol, I sound like such a whiner and crazy to boot). Maybe I need to take a break and re evaluate things. Maybe I need to work harder and read more than I am now. I just don't know. Suggestions/advice appreciated. Anyways That's where I stand. Fat and flabby as it may be. Susan 280/187/140 |
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Dally,By golly YOU are going to where I WANT TO BE I'm trying to get
into my size 12 jeans and I can if I'm at 165 LBS. I'm one size too big but I'm getting closer Since my doc told me that I can not be healthy at a weight lower than 165 (large bone structure) I'm trying to be at that weight soon! LOVE your posts glo |
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SusanLewis wrote:
"Dally" wrote: By the way, Susan, you're going to pass me by soon. I've been stalled in the 174-176 range for a long while now. I tell myself I'm practicing maintenance before I take another stab at the last elusive pounds. I dunno Dally, I've gotten discouraged just recently. Yes my loss has been life changing, awesome yadda yadda blahblahblah, but I also realized the honeymoon is over for me. The real work begins now. The last 50 some odd lbs are not going to just drop off of me like magic and frankly it's scary. I find myself more often than I'd like wondering what it would be like not walking everyday, what it would be like to go on and eat that big plate of enchiladas rice and beans with a few flour tortillias slathered in butter and a big glass of sugar sweetened ice tea. I keep repeating to myself "nothing taste as good as thin feels" but ya know.. I'm not thin yet and nothing tastes good anyways. So what's the point? And the bitch about it all is, I KNOW this is negative thinking, I of all people know this type of thinking will not get results that I want for the long term. I just wonder if I am up to the challenge of the last 50 or not. It would be laughable for me to try to give you advice over this, since I could have written it. I guess part of what I'm doing right now is giving myself permission to just hang here for a while. I'm on a planned layoff from weight-lifting. Well, sort of planned. I had meant to take this week off any maybe next, but ended up taking most of last week off, too. Planned breaks helps me from burning out, and allows me to practice the important skill of starting back up again! I also allow myself refeeds. Again, the idea is that I won't just feast forever, I have to STOP the next day and go back on plan, but if you are really craving some rice and beans then put on Sir Mix-a-lot ("red beans and rice didn't miss her") and eat them! You've got to live this life for the rest of your life, one meal here or there won't hurt you and if it keeps you from burning out and chucking the whole thing, well, then it's a good idea, isn't it? Ya know, sometimes I really wonder if I am hanging on to the last 50 for some reason. Why am I not as excited and encouraged as I was when I started this? Is my fat a security for me? I've *never* been ideal weight, what is it going to be like, will I like it there, or what if I get obsessive and go too thin? Then theres the skin issue to deal with when I do actually make my goal. How is looking at that skin hanging there gonna affect me everyday? Is there some emotional or mental hangup I need to address before I can make the decision to get it the heck off me? Good questions. I guess my first question would be are you really as far as 50 pounds from your goal? Do you have any idea what your body fat percentage is? I'm aiming for 23% and I'm at 26% body fat and 26% body fat is chunky and curvy and has blubber on the thighs... but really isn't obese. It might just be good enough for me for now. I want to fit into my size 14's(which I justify with the fact of my size 12 kid cant even get in them, so they are not really "14's") and I've worked so hard and I STILL dont fit in them. That fact alone simply ****es me off (lol, I sound like such a whiner and crazy to boot). Maybe I need to take a break and re evaluate things. Maybe I need to work harder and read more than I am now. I just don't know. Suggestions/advice appreciated. It sounds like you've climbed inside my head. All I can tell you is that "practicing maintenance for a while" is a nice term that works on the people who ask why I'm eating ice cream. :-) Anyways That's where I stand. Fat and flabby as it may be. But not as fat and flabby as you used to be. Give yourself a pat on the back and be open to the idea that there's always a new challenge to work on. It sounds like the "repeat, forever" parts of the plan need some attention. :-) Susan 280/187/140 Dally 244/175/168 |
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