Drugs

Jay wrote:

sorry I didnt mean that Im naive enough to think that I can eat what I want
when I want and still lose weight - I want to lose weight and if i thought
total starvation was a vaible opition then I would it

Hi Jay,

I'm the person Ig said was taking an ECA stack. Actually, I don't take
the aspirin anymore, but I do still take a small dose of ephedrine and
caffeine. I buy ephedrine HCl in 8 mg tablets over the internet and get
no-doz tablets and cut them with a pill cutter. You can also get
ephedrine HCl in the form of Bronkaid asthma medication in the drugstore.

www.drumlib.com has information on why this works, but I have my own
theories. First of all, it *is* a stimulant. That means you will feel
jittery and like you're on speed if you start out at too high a dose. I
always, always ALWAYS ramp up and down. (That's one reason I like 8 mg
tablets.) Anyway, a stimulant makes you have more energy, so it makes
me more likely to not feel too tired to exercise.

It is also an appetite suppressant, so I think it makes me more likely
not to snack mindlessly on things.

It's supposed to give me a thermogenic boost, but the boost is so small
that I think the boost it gives me towards exercising more and eating
less is the real important effect.

Some other points: I've discussed this with my doctor, and I find that
the stimulant helps me in a situation where I typically need stimulants
(and in the past relied on coffee and chocolate) AND I have asthma so
taking an over-the-counter asthma med is beneficial to me, even though
I'm taking it off-label.

So, that's what I know about EC stacks.

But here's what I know about weight loss.

If you want to change you've got to change. Think about this: your life
seriously sucks. Through a complete lack of imagination all you can
find to change it is suicide. I'm here to tell you that there turn out
to be LOTS of things you can change that will work better for you than that.

I don't know how to teach the epiphany that you need, but at some level
you've got to say, "this isn't working for me so I'll try something
different". If being sedentary and eating too much has made you fat and
you're unhappy with that then you need to move more and eat less.

We can help you work out the details, but you've got to do the first
step, which is to think about why you've gotten fat and what the PAYOFFS
for you are for being fat. After all, at some level this HAD been
working for you. You got to eat recreationally, you got to watch tv
instead of doing sports, you got to exempt yourself from the dating
scene... fill in YOUR blanks. A helpful book on this topic is
"Fattitudes" by a married couple called Willard (I think).

To stop being fat you've got to choose to live like a slender person.
Please understand that I'm not advocating that choice: there's nothing
wrong with being fat and it sounds like you could use some counseling in
that arena, but if you truly don't want to be then this is what you're
going to have to do:

You're going to have to move more. Find a sport, get out walking, join
a swim class, start weightlifting, ride your bike to work, hike a
mountain, wear a pedometer and aim for 10,000 steps... whatever works
for you. You'll have to experiment a bit and you're going to have to
force yourself to do it until it becomes a habit, but at some point
you're going to have to put activity into your life.

You're going to have to become a restrained eater. You can still eat
good food, you should NEVER go hungry, you don't have to be restrained
ALL of the time, but you are going to have to take a good look at your
eating habits and figure out how to live within a reasonable calorie
budget. We can help you on this journey, but you're going to have to
experiment and listen to your body and tweak your lifestyle and come up
with the mechanics of how to implement this for you.

And then you're going to have to live like this for the rest of your
life... eating sensibly to fuel your body and using your body to move
through your world.

I've lost 70 pounds and gone from obese to reasonably slender in the
past two years. I know it can be done and I know how to do it and I'd
be happy to show you.

Good luck,

Dally

There are a lot of double standards about medication around here.

If you have high blood pressure, it's ok to take medication.
If you are depressed, it's ok to take medication.
If you have erectile dysfunction, it's ok to take medication.
If you have a wart on the end of your nose, it's ok to take
medication.

But if you want to lose weight OH, MERCY, NO----- YOU MUST NOT TAKE
MEDICATION.....

Bull pucky.

Basically, there are two kinds of "diet aids" natural and
prescription. For a long time I used Ephedra, which was effective, so
of course, they took it off the market. ONE PERSON dies from a
pre-existing heart ailment which was aggravated by Ephedra and it's
illegal. Yet, they prescribe medications which kill about 100,000
people a year. Same thing happened with that cold medication
ingredient that I can't spell.... phenlayline - it worked well as an
appetite depressant also.

But I digress.

There are a cornucopia of diet drugs out there. My best experience
was with Phenterime in the form of Fastin, but there were side effects
that I wasn't that crazy about. (trouble sleeping, a little TOO much
energy, nervousness).

Lately I have wangled a prescription to Ritalian and I really like the
stuff. Works to depress the appetite and gives just a little boost of
energy. Doesn't keep you awake all night like Phentermine did.
Doesn't give you a dry, pasty mouth like phentermine either.

Best thing to do is find a doctor who is willing to prescribe the meds
for you (there is one in Tulsa that I went to). Or, in the
alternative you can take your chances with on-line pharmacies (I have
been lucky so far with them). But be very careful if you have high
blood pressure or liver problems.

Good luck. Sometimes it helps to have a little nudge to get you
going.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

There are a lot of double standards about medication around here.

If you have high blood pressure, it's ok to take medication.
If you are depressed, it's ok to take medication.
If you have erectile dysfunction, it's ok to take medication.
If you have a wart on the end of your nose, it's ok to take
medication.

But if you want to lose weight OH, MERCY, NO----- YOU MUST NOT TAKE
MEDICATION.....

Bull pucky.

Basically, there are two kinds of "diet aids" natural and
prescription. For a long time I used Ephedra, which was effective, so
of course, they took it off the market. ONE PERSON dies from a
pre-existing heart ailment which was aggravated by Ephedra and it's
illegal. Yet, they prescribe medications which kill about 100,000
people a year. Same thing happened with that cold medication
ingredient that I can't spell.... phenlayline - it worked well as an
appetite depressant also.

But I digress.

There are a cornucopia of diet drugs out there. My best experience
was with Phenterime in the form of Fastin, but there were side effects
that I wasn't that crazy about. (trouble sleeping, a little TOO much
energy, nervousness).

Lately I have wangled a prescription to Ritalian and I really like the
stuff. Works to depress the appetite and gives just a little boost of
energy. Doesn't keep you awake all night like Phentermine did.
Doesn't give you a dry, pasty mouth like phentermine either.

Best thing to do is find a doctor who is willing to prescribe the meds
for you (there is one in Tulsa that I went to). Or, in the
alternative you can take your chances with on-line pharmacies (I have
been lucky so far with them). But be very careful if you have high
blood pressure or liver problems.

Good luck. Sometimes it helps to have a little nudge to get you
going.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

Gradually, as
you appreciate the changes in your body you are loathe to give up that hour.
I have a very demanding job. I really don't have time to exercise. Yet, I
get more done because I take the time. It is like an hour in the morning
gives me two or more extra hours in the day because I have set priorties and
can focus.


Actually, I have heard people say this for years, and I have never
found it to be true.


A little antidepressant might go a long way to break the cycle. They are
relatively cheap these days. I would ask your doc about an 'SSRI'.

I would suggest first that you do a google search on the connection
between SSRI and suicide. Apparently, Seratonin Inhibitors can cause
psychosis in some depressed patients. Wellbutrin is NOT and SSRI and
is a very good anti-depressant from what I understand.

If you are going this route I would definitely ask for it by name.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

Gradually, as
you appreciate the changes in your body you are loathe to give up that hour.
I have a very demanding job. I really don't have time to exercise. Yet, I
get more done because I take the time. It is like an hour in the morning
gives me two or more extra hours in the day because I have set priorties and
can focus.


Actually, I have heard people say this for years, and I have never
found it to be true.


A little antidepressant might go a long way to break the cycle. They are
relatively cheap these days. I would ask your doc about an 'SSRI'.

I would suggest first that you do a google search on the connection
between SSRI and suicide. Apparently, Seratonin Inhibitors can cause
psychosis in some depressed patients. Wellbutrin is NOT and SSRI and
is a very good anti-depressant from what I understand.

If you are going this route I would definitely ask for it by name.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

On 31 Aug 2004 13:20:00 GMT, Ignoramus26860
wrote:

Auntie, I am far from opposed to drugs, as such, if there was
something that worked well and with no bad side effects, that would be
great. If my current diet did not work, I would have be happy to take
them as well.

The problem is that there are no such drugs, pretty much, at least not
universal. Your eexamples of drugs did not make you slim either.

i

Well, as far as I know - other than insulin and perhaps a few others,
NO DRUG fixes the problem. They simply take away the symptoms. Diet
drugs take away the symptoms of being hungry, and perhaps give you a
little energy boost so that you feel like doing more - thus burning
off more calories which reducing your intake.

Personally, I have had EXCELLENT luck with drugs in the past.
However, recently, due to my current metabolic situation, they don't
work as well for me now. How I wish there WERE a magic pill that
would work.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

On 31 Aug 2004 13:20:00 GMT, Ignoramus26860
wrote:

Auntie, I am far from opposed to drugs, as such, if there was
something that worked well and with no bad side effects, that would be
great. If my current diet did not work, I would have be happy to take
them as well.

The problem is that there are no such drugs, pretty much, at least not
universal. Your eexamples of drugs did not make you slim either.

i

Well, as far as I know - other than insulin and perhaps a few others,
NO DRUG fixes the problem. They simply take away the symptoms. Diet
drugs take away the symptoms of being hungry, and perhaps give you a
little energy boost so that you feel like doing more - thus burning
off more calories which reducing your intake.

Personally, I have had EXCELLENT luck with drugs in the past.
However, recently, due to my current metabolic situation, they don't
work as well for me now. How I wish there WERE a magic pill that
would work.

Em
The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).

On 1 Sep 2004 10:55:53 GMT, Ignoramus350
wrote:

In article , Auntie Em wrote:
On 31 Aug 2004 13:20:00 GMT, Ignoramus26860
wrote:

Auntie, I am far from opposed to drugs, as such, if there was
something that worked well and with no bad side effects, that would be
great. If my current diet did not work, I would have be happy to take
them as well.

The problem is that there are no such drugs, pretty much, at least not
universal. Your eexamples of drugs did not make you slim either.

i

Well, as far as I know - other than insulin and perhaps a few others,
NO DRUG fixes the problem. They simply take away the symptoms. Diet
drugs take away the symptoms of being hungry, and perhaps give you a
little energy boost so that you feel like doing more - thus burning
off more calories which reducing your intake.

Insulin is not a weight loss drug... It is the opposite.

Personally, I have had EXCELLENT luck with drugs in the past.
However, recently, due to my current metabolic situation, they don't
work as well for me now. How I wish there WERE a magic pill that
would work.

Just as a tip, for quite a few people of your age, metformin helps,
for specific reasons. Obviously, it is a prescription drug and should
not be abused without prescription, etc.

i

Sounds like it has some pretty wicked side effects though.

Em

The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents,
and the second half by our children.
--- Clarence Darrow
(make that YOUR children).