Any comments on Optifast?

A Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:43:48 -0500, "JMA"
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A 23 Sep 2004 11:32:25 GMT, Ignoramus19691
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It is a glorified 800 calorie "crash diet", with obvious implications
for long term success.
Yes: Obvious implications for long-term success: Efficacy.
Two and half years after a glorified 800 calorie diet and
counting...
You know he never lets facts get in the way of his opinion. His study said
that 67% regained - what happened to the other 33%? That's not a bad figure
actually.

I think 33% is far more success than I've ever seen even
*claimed* by any legitimate diet program.


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A 23 Sep 2004 11:32:25 GMT, Ignoramus19691
escribió:
It is a glorified 800 calorie "crash diet", with obvious implications
for long term success.

Yes: Obvious implications for long-term success: Efficacy.

Two and half years after a glorified 800 calorie diet and
counting...

I must say that I am impressed with you and your success maintaining
weight. It is real and nothing to argue about.

i

In other words, YOU WERE WRONG. Why don't you apologize and say YOU WERE
WRONG? That would be the manly thing to do.

Martha

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In article , *bicker* wrote:
A 23 Sep 2004 11:32:25 GMT, Ignoramus19691
escribió:
It is a glorified 800 calorie "crash diet", with obvious implications
for long term success.

Yes: Obvious implications for long-term success: Efficacy.

Two and half years after a glorified 800 calorie diet and
counting...

I must say that I am impressed with you and your success maintaining
weight. It is real and nothing to argue about.

i

In other words, YOU WERE WRONG. Why don't you apologize and say YOU WERE
WRONG? That would be the manly thing to do.

Martha

A 25 Sep 2004 02:57:34 GMT, Ignoramus26015
escribió:
I think 33% is far more success than I've ever seen even
*claimed* by any legitimate diet program.
What happened to the remaining 33% of dieters?
Because we do not know, from that abstract, what happened to the
remaining 33%, we cannot say how many of them maintained their weight
loss.

I agree. In the data I've seen, the success rate from
programs like Optifast and HMR was pegged at about 20%, not
33%, as compared to Weight Watchers at almost 5%.


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A 25 Sep 2004 02:57:34 GMT, Ignoramus26015
escribió:
I think 33% is far more success than I've ever seen even
*claimed* by any legitimate diet program.
What happened to the remaining 33% of dieters?
Because we do not know, from that abstract, what happened to the
remaining 33%, we cannot say how many of them maintained their weight
loss.

I agree. In the data I've seen, the success rate from
programs like Optifast and HMR was pegged at about 20%, not
33%, as compared to Weight Watchers at almost 5%.

That's still quite high and a good figure.

Martha


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A 25 Sep 2004 02:57:34 GMT, Ignoramus26015
escribió:
I think 33% is far more success than I've ever seen even
*claimed* by any legitimate diet program.
What happened to the remaining 33% of dieters?
Because we do not know, from that abstract, what happened to the
remaining 33%, we cannot say how many of them maintained their weight
loss.

I agree. In the data I've seen, the success rate from
programs like Optifast and HMR was pegged at about 20%, not
33%, as compared to Weight Watchers at almost 5%.

That's still quite high and a good figure.

Martha


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A 25 Sep 2004 02:57:34 GMT, Ignoramus26015
escribió:
I think 33% is far more success than I've ever seen even
*claimed* by any legitimate diet program.
What happened to the remaining 33% of dieters?
Because we do not know, from that abstract, what happened to the
remaining 33%, we cannot say how many of them maintained their weight
loss.

I agree. In the data I've seen, the success rate from
programs like Optifast and HMR was pegged at about 20%, not
33%, as compared to Weight Watchers at almost 5%.

I never claimed that 33% maintained. I happen to know from HMR that the
rate isn't *that* high, but it is typically higher than some other diet
programs. I simply wanted to point out again that ig will pick and choose
information to suit his needs and ignore the rest. Having *only* 67% regain
half or more certainly beats the claims that all liquid diets result in
gaining all of the weight back and then some.

Considering that most people on the VLCD were there to lose significant
amounts of weight, maintaining half or more of their losses is a definite
improvement over where they started.

I'm part of that 33%! Plenty of people have had success with liquid diets.
I consider myself a success because I have maintained a significant amount
of my weight loss for a year now, something I haven't done before in 25
years of dieting. Maintaining a triple digit portion of my weight loss is
good enough for me right now even if I'm not at my ideal weight today. I
will be eventually.

I think someone who claims he never could have lost 100 lbs because if he
were that heavy to begin with he never would have even tried has very little
room to talk or to go around judging the success of others.

Jenn
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A 25 Sep 2004 12:29:33 GMT, Ignoramus32065
escribió:
I agree. In the data I've seen, the success rate from
programs like Optifast and HMR was pegged at about 20%, not
33%, as compared to Weight Watchers at almost 5%.
Is that a 2 year success rate?

Yes.

Do you have references?

Check my previous messages in the archive.


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