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Did you see the diet comparisons?
On Mar 16, 9:28 am, (Will Brink) wrote:
In article .com, " wrote: To me, the choice was clear. I want FOOD. Someone could try and make a point that fat (or protein) might be more filling, or stay with you longer, or curb appetite. All I know is there is a difference of opinion on that. Although Atkins might have better results at 10 months, I would go for the high carb Ornish diet and MORE FOOD. Not even close. dkw Then you would be making a mistake and ignoring the results of the very study you are talking about. Ornish diet had poor results also, even worse than Atkins, which had only a 10lb weight loss on average. The point you are missing, but hinted at, is that people in this study, even with help from nutritionists, etc, were not able to follow these diets long term. So, what matters most is finding a diet you can actually stick with, vs focusing on extremes of macro nutrient differences. Donšt take my word for it, listen to the head researcher of this study in his own words on NPRšs Science Friday program via Podcast: http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podca...siteId=4822271 Look for the show released 3/9/07 For additional info, see my article The Big Picture of Permanent Weight Loss: http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...atid=3&aid=102 -- Will @www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural You are talking to the wrong person. I went from 230 lbs to 133 and have maintained that weight over 2 years now.... on Ornish...although I didn't know it was Ornish at the time. Different strokes for different folks. The whole idea of trying to trick your body with the high protein and high fat and putting it into ketosis and raising your blood fat levels even if it is temporarily (Atkins), doesn't cut it for me, though. dkw |
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On Mar 16, 9:46 am, A Ross wrote:
In article .com, "SFrunner" wrote: On Mar 15, 6:32 pm, "LFM" wrote: wrote in message Then there are those like me - I gotta have my meat, but I also need my breads and carbs. I have to find a happy medium. I like my variety of fruits, veggies, grains, meats and dairy, and of course the all important sugar family too, but that's my weak point. :-) Too many people fell for the whole lowcarb thing anyway. There is nothing wrong with carbs, they should be part of a healthy diet. While I don't disagree that there is anything wrong with carbohydrates, I think it's important to make the distinction between hi-GI and low-GI carbs, or quality carbs and junk carbs. The low-carb diets have never advocated ditching all carbs--they tell you to find the level of carb intake you can handle that will not spike your blood sugar or trigger food cravings. And it doesn't have to be one way of eating over the other. I try to keep my nutrients balanced, but I do tend towards the high-fat, hi-protein side of the spectrum when I'm trying to lose. It's the only way I feel *full*. But I still take in around 50 to 70 grams of carbs--plenty to keep me running and happy. And I lose faster than if I did a traditional high-carb, low-fat diet. I guess it's all a matter of individual preference and perspective. As most things are... Exactly. I eat jelly beans on my long runs because I want fast, easy to digest sugar without anything messing up my gastro system. And afterwards, lowfat chocolate milk is one of the best recovery foods around. I'm not really concerned with hi and low GI, I eat a healthy diet and consume everything in moderation. |
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In article .com,
" wrote: You are talking to the wrong person. I went from 230 lbs to 133 and have maintained that weight over 2 years now.... on Ornish...although I didn't know it was Ornish at the time. Congrats. That's great. It does not however reflect the reality of this study or the results of other studies or the experience of most people. Different strokes for different folks. The whole idea of trying to trick your body with the high protein and high fat and putting it into ketosis and raising your blood fat levels even if it is temporarily (Atkins), doesn't cut it for me, though. The point is, you don't need to go to such extremes, and extremes greatly reduce people's ability to follow it long term. dkw -- Will @ www.BrinkZone.com "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural |
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wrote It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop...... Or have worked in a grocery store for thirty five years :-D XXXXXXgizzieXXXXXX (223/176/120) ************************************************** *************** Voe: All these benches help you work the various upper body muscle groups--this one triceps, this one delts and traps--- gizzie: Which one will help me get my boobs pointing back in the right direction??? Personal Training, lesson two ************************************************** *************** |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:02:47 -0500, Jo Anne wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:01:32 GMT, wrote: No, I didn't see that, but I recall watching a show about a month ago. I think it was The Zone. They talked to the guy (doctor I think) who developed it. He said one one of the keys is to buy and eat fresh vegetables every day. How unrealistic to think most people could or would do that. Just like a doctor to think that most of us mortals have the time and inclination to do that. No wonder people quit diets so quickly. What is unrealistic about eating fresh vegetables every day? I've been doing it for years. It takes no more time than frozen or canned stuff, and I find it cheaper. (I hate canned vegetables, btw.) Jo Anne It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop, but I think in general, it's unrealistic for many. BTW, I hate canned vegetables, too (with the exception of turnip greens). Rick I'm not actually sure it even works if you buy your veg by going to large stores. The fresh veg has been shipped thousands of miles and has been deteriorating for days. I'd love to shop locally in farm shops etc but since they are never open at any time when I'm not at work... But in the end it's all about balance, bit of this, bit of that etc. All obsessions are daft in the end. -- Rachael 176/116/119 www.justgiving.com/rachaelslondonmarathon |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:02:47 -0500, Jo Anne wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:01:32 GMT, wrote: No, I didn't see that, but I recall watching a show about a month ago. I think it was The Zone. They talked to the guy (doctor I think) who developed it. He said one one of the keys is to buy and eat fresh vegetables every day. How unrealistic to think most people could or would do that. Just like a doctor to think that most of us mortals have the time and inclination to do that. No wonder people quit diets so quickly. What is unrealistic about eating fresh vegetables every day? I've been doing it for years. It takes no more time than frozen or canned stuff, and I find it cheaper. (I hate canned vegetables, btw.) Jo Anne It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop, but I think in general, it's unrealistic for many. BTW, I hate canned vegetables, too (with the exception of turnip greens). Rick I think he lives in Florida. If one lives in the north, winter fresh vegetables, except lettuce, celery, carrots, cabbage, and rutabagas are pretty sad. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:02:47 -0500, Jo Anne It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop, but I think in general, it's unrealistic for many. BTW, I hate canned vegetables, too (with the exception of turnip greens). Rick Why can't you just go once a week and stock up on fresh fruits and veggies then keep them in your fridge crisper? I do this every week and it works fine for me. But seriously, stopping by a grocery store to pick up fresh food is quicker than going to a restaurant and even quicker than going to most fast food places. I can get in and out of a grocery in less time than it takes to stand in line at a fast food place during peak food service hours. |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:32:39 -0500, "LFM"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:02:47 -0500, Jo Anne It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop, but I think in general, it's unrealistic for many. BTW, I hate canned vegetables, too (with the exception of turnip greens). Rick Why can't you just go once a week and stock up on fresh fruits and veggies then keep them in your fridge crisper? I do this every week and it works fine for me. I don't know why you can't do that. Heck, who knows how fresh your grocery produce is anyway. In general, that is. But seriously, stopping by a grocery store to pick up fresh food is quicker than going to a restaurant and even quicker than going to most fast food places. I can get in and out of a grocery in less time than it takes to stand in line at a fast food place during peak food service hours. I guess you must go to stores where they're not reduced to two checkers 7 or 8 deep in the lines, and somebody with 20 items is up ahead in the 10 or under line. Frustrating. |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:29:08 -0500, "Del Cecchi"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:02:47 -0500, Jo Anne wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:01:32 GMT, wrote: No, I didn't see that, but I recall watching a show about a month ago. I think it was The Zone. They talked to the guy (doctor I think) who developed it. He said one one of the keys is to buy and eat fresh vegetables every day. How unrealistic to think most people could or would do that. Just like a doctor to think that most of us mortals have the time and inclination to do that. No wonder people quit diets so quickly. What is unrealistic about eating fresh vegetables every day? I've been doing it for years. It takes no more time than frozen or canned stuff, and I find it cheaper. (I hate canned vegetables, btw.) Jo Anne It's not the eating, but he wants you to go to the store every day and buy the fresh vegetables for eating that day. That's fine if you've got a lot of free time and/or love to shop, but I think in general, it's unrealistic for many. BTW, I hate canned vegetables, too (with the exception of turnip greens). Rick I think he lives in Florida. If one lives in the north, winter fresh vegetables, except lettuce, celery, carrots, cabbage, and rutabagas are pretty sad. I live in the north (about 30 miles north of Oswego NY, to be exact) and I have no difficulty finding nice-looking fresh vegetables at the local grocery store. We get broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts, green & yellow beans, asparagus, fennel, many types of greens, peppers, and the usual root veggies that store well. I've probably forgotten quite a few. About the only thing I pass on in the winter is the tomatoes. They are pretty horrible. Jo Anne |
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