NYNY - Fred - Dec 10th

You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to lose
that weight for me..........

I just can't help myself, and pouncing is in the feline nature, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
I thought about that word as I posted but I decided to let it go - you
pounced!!!! (G)

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:16:31 -0600, "Miss Violette"
wrote:

briefs??? hhhmmmm, not boxers??? Lee, snickering and hiding
Fred wrote in message
.. .
I do not do it without a shirt - well, maybe when I get to the top and
have to take off my drenched shirt. But it is brief!!!!

Now, clean up those thoughts! (G)

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:58:01 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:

Isn't it though? Fred in tight biking shorts, no shirt, rotating arms
rapidly in circles....get a picture for us!

"Prairie Roots" wrote in message
.. .
Now that's a vision....

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:57:03 -0800, Fred
wrote:

I'm getting my
"windmill" in shape - rotate arms rapidly in circles....

Prairie Roots
232/170.8/WW goal 145
joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

this is interesting to me, a topic well worth thinking about, Lee
Fred wrote in message
...
You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you
feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you
do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to
lose
that weight for me..........

I've only just tried sushi for the first time this past year. I would
probably eat it again, just not very often.

"Fred" wrote in message
...


On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:56:36 -0800, "Brenda Hammond"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I may try whole wheat pasta again but I never cared for it. There is
something "wrong" with its mouth feel.

I agree. The whole wheat pasta didn't do much for me either. I would
probably try it again sometime, but prefer plain pasta.

It's best that I don't discover another pasta anyway (g)


But a few weeks back we tried the Japanese buckwheat noodles. Fine
stuff. Soba, I think. I could not find pure buckwheat - most had
flour in them. I will hit the real Japanese market soon - I need eel
with black beans (G) And Mackeral in teriaki sauce - both "fancy
sardines!"

Oooh, some other "strange" foods I've never tried. Eel and black beans
sounds interesting. I've eaten mackeral once, but found it really oily.
Is
it normally very oily? How about when it's in teriyaki sauce?

Well, I think mackeral is an acquired taste. At the sushi place it is
not favored and yet I save it for the end as my "dessert!" The sushi
chef likes it, too, but thinks making it dessert a bit odd. I like it
because it HAS TASTE! (G)

In the Teriaki sauce (canned from Japan) it is great stuff. I
actually would purchase 12 cans a few times a year and send them down
to my dad in Tucson who loved the stuff (G)


On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:51:43 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Maybe my pasta trick might work for you. Or tricks. I love pasta
with
some
things, like the chicken randazzo.

I weigh out TWO dry ounces of whole wheat pasta.

I overcook it just a tad (it nearly tastes like pasta this way)

I add chopped zucchini or tatuma squash to my sauce for volume on the
plate.

Those three things knock the heck out of a very very satisfying very
large
serving of pasta, which still rings my bell on some occations.

And yes. I take home half, or share a serving with Ma. And cherry
tomatoes
and carrot sticks take up space on the plate so my chips servings are
much
smaller and weighed. I love desserts too, but I go for a tiny
something
sweet at least once a day, as opposed to larger and less frequent. I
don't
do well with delayed gratification

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
I think that I'm developing my way of life. It probably may be too
routine but it works. I have my meals down and while I do not
measure
everything (fish, shrimp, chicken), I do measure beef and cheese (on
the rare blue cheese occasions) and lamb and nuts. Lunches are also
standards at this point. When I do go out to eat, I have gotten
very
use to taking about half home (or on road trips, to the cooler). I
don't seem to have the same driven cravenings for potato chips on
the
drives home from work and do not snack on cheese like I use to.

Desserts still have my name on them. Which explains the Costco
chocolate cake and now the fruit cake. But I am trying to limit
those
indulgences to once a week.

Snacking on a lot of dried fruits but trying to limit them but
sometimes that dried mango takes over.

PORTION control has definitely been a prime driver. I use to eat a
ton, almost an entire package of 12 (dried) ozs of pasta as dinner.
Now I really don't do that since potatoes have built-in portion
control. And I do kasha and make sure I come close to a one cup
serving. But it does not have the same calling pasta did. I like
kasha a lot but it does not seem to demand to be overeaten. I
really
have to do bulghur again, too. I have some but like the kasha.

Breakfasts are also not measured very often. I should probably get
a
handle on a cup of whatever again, just for control.

We just have to remember that we have a problem and unlike alcohol
(I
never did much) or cigarettes (never), food cannot simply be
avoided.
So we need to keep HOPING and working on it. I do lose it like
Prairie with Miss Meringues but they are more kindly than losing it
with real ice cream or cheese. And I do force a late night pickle
down rather than more POINTS of any other kind.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:49:08 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

Yesterday we went out to lunch, which we frequently do when
babysitting
DGD,
since then the cafeteria she loves has to clean up the mess. My Ma
loves
fried anything. So do I, but you know how often I eat that sort of
thing
(same as any of us). We bought the lunch special plate of chicken
fried
chicken breast. There is not any skin, but there is a nice crunchy
fried
whatever all over it. I also got a vegetable plate, which has 3
veggies.
I got mac and cheese (guess who loves that) canned corn (ditto) and
green
beans. Then when we got to table, I cut the chicken into 3 pieces,
put
about 2 T of mac and cheese, 2 T of corn, all the green beans and a
third
of
the chicken on my plate. I really figured I would be up a pound
this
morning, but still nice ole 157. I think this whole thing is about
portion
control with the high calorie/fat/sugar items, and liberal servings
of
0
point items for satiety and crunch (the chew factor) and this
becomes
not
so
hard. Are you also finding maintenance not as difficult as it was
at
first?
I am! I hope that lasts!

"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
That is well put. I have been UP there now twice. So I know
what's
possible. But I also know I have a lot more tools as far as food
consumption. Now, attitude, mood, spirit, whatever might have
more
power behind it then just the tools. So it will need constant
monitoring and vigilance.

I wish us all the best of luck and discipline.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:32:12 GMT, "Lesanne"

wrote:


Gotta tell you, I don't understand what your sister said. Do
you
think
she
meant that when you get to 155, you will want to weigh less
than
that?

Yes, that is what she meant. That each time I move the line
down
for
"safety" I might want to move it down just a bit further so
that
I
draw a new safety line and don't approach the OLD one - like
164,
oh,
well, 160, hmm, 158..... 155, 154?. So maybe shooting for
155
should be just a rough idea and hovering now would be fine.
Up a
pound down a pound. I know the rules. I occasionally break
the
rules
but not really as I quickly try reining it back in. Like
purchasing
a
Costco Fruitcake today (g) It is sliced and frozen save the
one
piece
I have already eaten. And I probably "chawed" half a bag of
gummy
bears last night and these are not tiny bags.


Just this part, clipped the rest. I can see myself not ever
being
"done"
just from the terror of going the other way. I am going to set
my
"back
to
journalin" number at 160, and let it be. I too have not been
journaling
this past week and I am at a new low. I think this just takes
daily
weigh
ins, and a willingness to go back on program when the one sixes
show,
and
hanging around here to keep the focus. I really have a hard
time
believing
this. I was somewhere yesterday and someone I did not know well
said
something that caused me to say something about being fat
They
looked
at
me and said, "YOU AREN'T FAT!" I had to laugh
I forgot. I'm not.

This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward.
I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go
to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this
year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160
so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of
positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell
ya.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you
feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you
do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to
lose
that weight for me..........

that is excellent news, Lee
Lesanne wrote in message
.. .
This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food
reward.
I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can
go
to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this
year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and
160
so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of
positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta
tell
ya.


"Fred" wrote in message
...
You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you
feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than
you
do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to
lose
that weight for me..........

I love the part about being there (at goal) and feeling great. Oh, and
the new low is definitely good news too. You totally rock, Lesanne!

Prairie Roots

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:19:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward.
I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go
to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this
year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160
so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of
positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell
ya.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you
feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you
do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to
lose
that weight for me..........

Congrats on that loss, Fred. I can see where your sister and others are
coming from, but I guess for me as long as I kept it around 157 or 158 I'd
be happy! lol... no clue what this means either but hey, thought I'd throw
my 2¢ in the pile!

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272/239/172

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"Fred" wrote in message
...
Okay here we go:

I am down since last week: 1.8 pounds

(that is using my base clothing measurements which means removing 1.6
pounds from the current wardrobe) But I'm down in any event 0.2
pounds even with the heavier clothing. So I guess the chocolate cake
on Sat night was not deadly - YES!

Current weight: 156.6 (heavier clothing 158.2)

But I will mention my sister's take on this minimum weight issue (she,
by the way has never had a weight problem other than being UNDER most
of her life!!!). I mentioned getting to 155 to have a sufficient
clothing cushion. She suggested as some of us have discussed then you
will not want to move much from there and will try being just a bit
lower to keep 155 and so on and so forth and ...... Which is what
I've been thinking. So what does it mean. I have no idea (g)

(aside: don't eat your heart out Lesanne, you cannot afford the points
(gd&r)


Fred
219.2/156.6/164.0 (Lifetime)
Started WW: Oct 29, 2002

Yes, it is sane but.. but.. .(sputtering...)

I need to accept no palpable reward, no visible reward. Just, as you
say, "feel great!" And just accept that as the reward but that is so
amorphous.

And then add to that that MAINTENANCE involves some small gains and
that is the antithesis of reward - downright scary even if I should
know it is normal.

I guess coming to grips with all of this Maintenance stuff is, well,
Maintenance (G)

Finding another reward - I really can't keep upgrading my computer and
I got new skis last week!!!!!

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:19:46 GMT, "Lesanne"
wrote:

This looks very sane to me, this w.l. reward substitute for the food reward.
I am 156 on my scale this morning and was frankly delighted because I can go
to the meeting this morning and get a nice low weight for the end of this
year on my card. But my goal, my real goal, is to stay between 155 and 160
so I am there. I think I am going to need to set myself up some sort of
positive reinforcement for staying Still. I sure do feel great, gotta tell
ya.


"Fred" wrote in message
.. .
You're right, of course.

I've had additional thoughts on this, this afternoon while I was
walking the lake...

I think that _I_ and maybe some of the others have started to
substitute the REWARD of weightloss - seeing the scale drop, for food,
itself. There is that positive glow when the scale shows a loss.
Now, there should be a time when that is not necessary and I should
not substitute the "weighloss reward" for the food reward. The reward
should be holding steady and feeling good.

This is a new thought and (g) not definitely well-thought out just
yet. But it did get me wondering. After all, even at WW meetings,
Maintainers/Lifetimers no longer get recognition. No little stars or
magnets or..... You just plug on along.

Just musing............

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:01:24 -0000, "krys"
wrote:

hey hey hey - down is down - and thus good.
and what other people think is never the issue - it's all about how you
feel
about yourself........and no-one can tell you to feel different than you
do.
A million people can tell me I look good as I am - but I still want to
lose
that weight for me..........

Thanks for throwing it in. Reading it again, helps with others' takes
on things.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:17:22 -0600, "Kristin"
wrote:

Congrats on that loss, Fred. I can see where your sister and others are
coming from, but I guess for me as long as I kept it around 157 or 158 I'd
be happy! lol... no clue what this means either but hey, thought I'd throw
my 2¢ in the pile!