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Old December 10th, 2004, 03:17 PM
Carol Frilegh
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In article .com, JMA
wrote:

Beverly wrote:
"Ignoramus22980" wrote in

message
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh

wrote:
The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable

other
students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That

is
precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated

towards the
University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other

universities.
Years later, the University of Chicago b

I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago, am

also a
ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian.

--
223/172.2/180


I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of these

attack
posts and didn't trim the damn headers.


I can.

Jenn



That's it Jenn,
your preoccupation with Ig is tiresome and dilutes the qualities of
your intelligent posts.
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  #12  
Old December 10th, 2004, 05:27 PM
JMA
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Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article .com,

JMA
wrote:

Beverly wrote:
"Ignoramus22980" wrote in

message
...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh


wrote:
The University of Chicago routinely trained me and

innumerable
other
students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians.

That
is
precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated

towards the
University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other

universities.
Years later, the University of Chicago b

I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago,

am
also a
ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian.

--
223/172.2/180

I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of

these
attack
posts and didn't trim the damn headers.


I can.

Jenn



That's it Jenn,
your preoccupation with Ig is tiresome and dilutes the qualities of
your intelligent posts.
BFN

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman


See ya!

Jenn

  #13  
Old December 10th, 2004, 05:27 PM
JMA
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Carol Frilegh wrote:
In article .com,

JMA
wrote:

Beverly wrote:
"Ignoramus22980" wrote in

message
...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:49:56 GMT, Carol Frilegh


wrote:
The University of Chicago routinely trained me and

innumerable
other
students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians.

That
is
precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated

towards the
University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other

universities.
Years later, the University of Chicago b

I wonder if I, being a graduate of the University of Chicago,

am
also a
ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellian.

--
223/172.2/180

I can't believe you were ignorant enough to respond to one of

these
attack
posts and didn't trim the damn headers.


I can.

Jenn



That's it Jenn,
your preoccupation with Ig is tiresome and dilutes the qualities of
your intelligent posts.
BFN

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman


See ya!

Jenn

  #14  
Old December 10th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Mary M/Ohio
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
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In article , Mary M/Ohio
wrote:

Sorry if this posts twice, but it is not appearing for me -- it showed up
for a minute and then said it was no longer available on the server. So I
am
trying again!


I was intrigued with the idea when I first heard it a few years ago (from
Dr. Phil, I think) -- that we remain overweight for some "payoff" reason
that is usually unconscious.


Just as Dr, Phil maintains his fascination with weight issues because
for him it's a big pay off.


Yes, I'm not enamored with him, but I've learned to "take what you like and
leave the rest" in regard to many things in life, including Dr. Phil!

Mary


  #15  
Old December 10th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Mary M/Ohio
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
In article , Mary M/Ohio
wrote:

Sorry if this posts twice, but it is not appearing for me -- it showed up
for a minute and then said it was no longer available on the server. So I
am
trying again!


I was intrigued with the idea when I first heard it a few years ago (from
Dr. Phil, I think) -- that we remain overweight for some "payoff" reason
that is usually unconscious.


Just as Dr, Phil maintains his fascination with weight issues because
for him it's a big pay off.


Yes, I'm not enamored with him, but I've learned to "take what you like and
leave the rest" in regard to many things in life, including Dr. Phil!

Mary


  #16  
Old December 11th, 2004, 08:37 PM
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the "second assassination" from the right - i.e. the use of
scandal to stamp out Kennedy's reputation and legacy. That
something was the Church Committee. Belated revelations about the
CIA's role in Watergate, and later of the CIA's illegal domestic
operations created a critical firestorm demanding a full-scale
investigation of the CIA. The fallout from Watergate had produced
large Democratic majorities in both houses of congress via the
1974 elections. This majority, combined with some of the moderate
Republicans, managed to form special congressional committees.

The committee in the Senate was headed by Idaho's Frank Church.
Other leading lights on that committee were Minnesota's Walter
Mondale, Colorado's Gary Hart, Tennessee's Howard Baker, and
Pennsylvania's Richard Schweiker.

As writers Kate Olmsted and Loch Johnson have shown, the Church
Committee was obstructed by two of the CIA's most potent allies:
the major media and friendly public figures. In the latter
category, Olmsted especially highlights the deadly role of Henry
Kissinger. But as Victor Marchetti revealed to me, there was also
something else at work behind the scenes. In an interview in his
son's office in 1993, Marchetti told me that he never really
thought


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Old December 11th, 2004, 08:37 PM
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the "second assassination" from the right - i.e. the use of
scandal to stamp out Kennedy's reputation and legacy. That
something was the Church Committee. Belated revelations about the
CIA's role in Watergate, and later of the CIA's illegal domestic
operations created a critical firestorm demanding a full-scale
investigation of the CIA. The fallout from Watergate had produced
large Democratic majorities in both houses of congress via the
1974 elections. This majority, combined with some of the moderate
Republicans, managed to form special congressional committees.

The committee in the Senate was headed by Idaho's Frank Church.
Other leading lights on that committee were Minnesota's Walter
Mondale, Colorado's Gary Hart, Tennessee's Howard Baker, and
Pennsylvania's Richard Schweiker.

As writers Kate Olmsted and Loch Johnson have shown, the Church
Committee was obstructed by two of the CIA's most potent allies:
the major media and friendly public figures. In the latter
category, Olmsted especially highlights the deadly role of Henry
Kissinger. But as Victor Marchetti revealed to me, there was also
something else at work behind the scenes. In an interview in his
son's office in 1993, Marchetti told me that he never really
thought


  #18  
Old December 11th, 2004, 08:56 PM
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-Garrison. As
has been shown by Summers, Davis, and David Scheim, being anti-
Garrison is always a plus for media exposure. 2) If they found a
conspiracy, Ewing's history would guarantee it would be mob-
oriented. Another plus for media exposure. 3) As Anson reveals,
Ewing has now broadened his character assassination talents from
Garrison to the Kennedys (p. 110). Like John Davis, and against
the record, Ewing believes RFK was not only in on the Castro
plots but controlled them to the point of choosing which mobsters
to use. His source on this? A "senior CIA official" (Anson p.
115). Did Ewing follow the Davis example and lunch with Richard
Helms?

Not since Gerald Posner has a book on the JFK case been as touted
as Hersh's. It started in Esquire with a teaser article in its
September 1996 issue. In July and September of this year, Liz
Smith kept up the barrage of pro-Hersh blurbs in her column. The
September 23rd notice stated that Hersh's book would focus on the
Kennedys and Monroe and how RFK had Monroe killed.

As everyone knows by now, the whole Monroe angle blew up in
Hersh's face. When Hersh had to reluctantly admit on ABC that he
had been had, he did it on


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Old December 11th, 2004, 08:56 PM
Ignoramus22980
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-Garrison. As
has been shown by Summers, Davis, and David Scheim, being anti-
Garrison is always a plus for media exposure. 2) If they found a
conspiracy, Ewing's history would guarantee it would be mob-
oriented. Another plus for media exposure. 3) As Anson reveals,
Ewing has now broadened his character assassination talents from
Garrison to the Kennedys (p. 110). Like John Davis, and against
the record, Ewing believes RFK was not only in on the Castro
plots but controlled them to the point of choosing which mobsters
to use. His source on this? A "senior CIA official" (Anson p.
115). Did Ewing follow the Davis example and lunch with Richard
Helms?

Not since Gerald Posner has a book on the JFK case been as touted
as Hersh's. It started in Esquire with a teaser article in its
September 1996 issue. In July and September of this year, Liz
Smith kept up the barrage of pro-Hersh blurbs in her column. The
September 23rd notice stated that Hersh's book would focus on the
Kennedys and Monroe and how RFK had Monroe killed.

As everyone knows by now, the whole Monroe angle blew up in
Hersh's face. When Hersh had to reluctantly admit on ABC that he
had been had, he did it on


  #20  
Old December 11th, 2004, 09:15 PM
Ignoramus22980
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date of Collier's work
approximates the time when the Kennedy book idea was originated.

Ignoring the shoddy approach and scholarly standards of the work,
the New York Times, Washington Post, and New Republic all gave
the book prominent and glowing reviews. In the latter case,
Martin Peretz placed the book on the August 27, 1984 New Republic
cover under the title "Dissolute Dynasty." He then got longtime
Kennedy basher Midge Decter to write a long review that branded
the saga "a sordid story." Right after this ecstatic reception,
in 1985, Horowitz and Collier landed a feature story in the
Washington Post as "Lefties for Reagan." Two years later, the
pair went on a USIA-State Department sponsored tour of Nicaragua.

This was at a time when the CIA was dumping millions into that
country in a huge psychological and propaganda war effort. That
same year, with lots of foundation money, the pair arranged a
"Second Thoughts" conference in Washington. This was basically a
meeting of "reformed" sixties liberals bent on attacking that
decade and anyone who wished to hold it up as an era of
excitement and/or progressive achievement. Peretz attended that
conference. Later, they sponsored another conference entitled
"Second Thoughts on Race in America." This might have been called
the Washington Post take on race in the eighties since it
featured such Kay Graham-Ben Bradlee employees as Richard Cohen,
Juan Williams, and Joe Klein. Today, these two see themselves as
armed guards protecting America from any renaissance of sixties
activism after Reagan. They are quite open about this and
Kennedy's role in it in Destructive Generation: "Just as
Eisenhower's holding action in the Fifties led to JFK's New
Frontier liberalism in the Sixties...so the clamped-down
Reaganism of the Eighties has precipitated the current radical
resurgence...." Is one to conclude that Clinton


 




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