Counting Carbs and Calories?

On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:51:39 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

:: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful as
:: a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.

Nonsense.

Correct there is no sense at all in counting calories other than an
education in how much you are overconsuming.
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Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On 5/21/2004 11:00 AM, Mosaic M_uns wrote:
On 20 May 2004 13:24:09 -0700, (tcomeau) wrote:


Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful as
a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.


Agree.

First, the counting of cals is at best an inaccurate methodology.
Second, very few keep it up for any extended time so it has no
lifelong value. Third, even if you could count accurately, whose to
say you have accurately measured or know the food volumes you have
consumed. Not every 4 ounce piece of this or that has exactly this
amount of cals. And was that 4 ounces or 4.1239 or 3.892?

Lastly, who in their right mind would want to be a slave to a calorie
counting regimen in the first place?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

And counting carbs (or anything else) is different in what way?

--
jmk in NC

On 21 May 2004 06:49:31 -0700, (tcomeau) wrote:

:: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful as
:: a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.

Nonsense.

More than 95% of those who try to lose weight by restricting and
counting calories (ie. fat) fail to lose the weight and keep it off.
Hardly a dependable approach to weight loss.

Again, agreed and so does the NIH. Year after year, post after post,
failure after failure, this issue is roundly forgotten on this and
other diet newsgroups. Commercial diets, diets that require
journaling, counting fill in DO NOT work if work is defined as any
reasonable percentage of success and over any length of time. Like a
lifetime.

But people are going to fight like hell to keep this myth alive even
if it means early death to millions.

My God, we eat our young and kill ourselves over things as inane as
pride.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Mosaic M_uns wrote:
:: On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:51:39 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: wrote:
::
::::: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely
::::: useful as a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.
:::
::: Nonsense.
::
:: Correct there is no sense at all in counting calories other than an
:: education in how much you are overconsuming.

Or where your consumption is relative to where it was.

:: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
:: Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

tcomeau wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" wrote in message
:: ...
::: tcomeau wrote:
::::: "Someplace_Else" wrote in message
::::: ...
:::::: I ate low carb based on the Atkins plan for about 2 years, just
:::::: counting
:::::: carbs and had good results. I went off for about 2 years
:::::: (started
:::::: again 4
:::::: weeks ago), and now some of the info I've been reading says you
:::::: should count
:::::: calories as well as carbs.
::::::
:::::: I'm sure that would be effective as well, but my question is: Is
:::::: counting
:::::: calories really necessary? If so what should your calorie count
:::::: be? I
:::::: can't imagine eating 1400 cal's and 30 carbs a day.
::::::
:::::: Any input would be appreciated.
::::::
:::::: Thanks,
::::::
:::::: Sofia
:::::: 173/161/130
:::::
::::: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely
::::: useful as
::::: a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.
:::
::: Nonsense.
::
:: More than 95% of those who try to lose weight by restricting and
:: counting calories (ie. fat) fail to lose the weight and keep it off.
:: Hardly a dependable approach to weight loss.

Nonsense. Has it occured to you that perhaps these studies didn't involve
LC dieters who had appetite suppression working for them along with
exercise? Are you suggesting that the mere process of counting calories is
going to make someone not lose weight and not keep weight off?

And where is the data for those who keep weight off my any means? How much
better is it?

The worst thing one can do in a diet ng is go around quoting failure stats
that are more often than not used out-of-context.

Mosaic M_uns wrote:
:: On 20 May 2004 13:24:09 -0700, (tcomeau) wrote:
::
::: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful
::: as a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.
::
:: Agree.
::
:: First, the counting of cals is at best an inaccurate methodology.
:: Second, very few keep it up for any extended time so it has no
:: lifelong value. Third, even if you could count accurately, whose to
:: say you have accurately measured or know the food volumes you have
:: consumed. Not every 4 ounce piece of this or that has exactly this
:: amount of cals. And was that 4 ounces or 4.1239 or 3.892?
::
:: Lastly, who in their right mind would want to be a slave to a calorie
:: counting regimen in the first place?

What about counting the weight of the food you eat at each meal? Please,
Mu.

tcomeau wrote:
:: "Jim Bard" wrote in message
:: ...
::: "tcomeau" wrote in message
::: om...
:::
:::: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful
:::: as
:::: a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.
::::
:::: TC
:::
::: Right.
:::
::: And counting the gallons of gas I put in my tank is neither needed
::: nor is it
::: even remotely useful for figuring out my gas mileage.
::
:: More than 95% of those who try to lose weight by restricting and
:: counting calories (ie. fat) fail to lose the weight and keep it off.
:: Hardly a dependable approach to weight loss.

Apparently, you're unable to think for yourself.

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:13 -0400, jmk wrote:

Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful as
a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.


Agree.

First, the counting of cals is at best an inaccurate methodology.
Second, very few keep it up for any extended time so it has no
lifelong value. Third, even if you could count accurately, whose to
say you have accurately measured or know the food volumes you have
consumed. Not every 4 ounce piece of this or that has exactly this
amount of cals. And was that 4 ounces or 4.1239 or 3.892?

Lastly, who in their right mind would want to be a slave to a calorie
counting regimen in the first place?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

And counting carbs (or anything else) is different in what way?

None.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Fri, 21 May 2004 11:51:51 -0400, Roger Zoul
wrote:

Mosaic M_uns wrote:
:: On 20 May 2004 13:24:09 -0700, (tcomeau) wrote:
::
::: Counting calories is neither needed nor is it even remotely useful
::: as a yardstick to predict weight gain or loss.
::
:: Agree.
::
:: First, the counting of cals is at best an inaccurate methodology.
:: Second, very few keep it up for any extended time so it has no
:: lifelong value. Third, even if you could count accurately, whose to
:: say you have accurately measured or know the food volumes you have
:: consumed. Not every 4 ounce piece of this or that has exactly this
:: amount of cals. And was that 4 ounces or 4.1239 or 3.892?
::
:: Lastly, who in their right mind would want to be a slave to a calorie
:: counting regimen in the first place?

What about counting the weight of the food you eat at each meal? Please,
Mu.



I guess it wouldn't be bad if you piled a plate with food then weighed it
all at one time. But I rarely do that, so I'd be doing the same thing I
used to do -- weighing each individual item.

--
Bob in CT
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"tcomeau" wrote in message
om...
More than 95% of those who try to lose weight by restricting and
counting calories (ie. fat) fail to lose the weight and keep it off.
Hardly a dependable approach to weight loss.

TC

You don't seem to get it.

The purpose of counting calories is not necessarily to restrict or control.
The purpose of counting calories is to find out "where you have been", just
as counting carbs and recording exercise activity tells you "where you have
been". But my main purpose in counting calories is to make sure that I stay
somewhere within the range I have set for myself. If I inadvertently eat
less than 1000 calories per day, that tells me I need to adjust upward If
I eat over 2000 calories per day, I need to adjust accordingly. Failure to
do so will soon show up on my scales or general health and attitude.

Too few calories will result in poor health and starvation. Too many will
result in weight gain. There's no 'new math' that's going to get you around
that.