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Old May 11th, 2004, 05:54 PM
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ipse dixit wrote:
...
One of my over-eating problems


How many do you have, fatso?

is that it takes me longer
than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large
meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just
pick and poke at their plate like sparrows.


You're a self-indulgent, self-crippled slob whose god is his own belly. Most
veg-ns lose weight. You're still growing immensely. Your gluttony is probably
related to your low self-esteem which stems from your dole-scrounging.

Also, I like the
taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something
to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites?


Try some self-control and responsibility, tubby.

Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work. The people I
see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I
went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where
you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20%
of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at
all.


Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of
April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck!


As I noted above, you thoroughly lack self-control. If it's not cigarettes, it's
food. If it's not food, you'll be downloading pornos all day like you used to.
BTW, did you ever tell Belinda that you wank on her computer?

  #22  
Old May 11th, 2004, 06:14 PM
ipse dixit
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:46 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
[..]

You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons
why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still
maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause
them to gain even if they eat like a normal person.
Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't
have any natural mechanisms to help them know
what a portion size looks like, so they have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.


One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer
than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large
meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just
pick and poke at their plate like sparrows. Also, I like the
taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something
to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites?


I understand what you mean.


I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab
contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half,
well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and
onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and
humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off.


Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down
their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier,
and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying
low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat
people.I went through a phase where I was trying
that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a
normal amount of food but everything had to be lower
than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot
but I didn't lose much weight at all.


Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of
April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck!


That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with
the other supposedly.


My only replacement is aniseed balls. I use them
as a substitute for the fags, but I must admit I do
eat more during mealtimes

I've also heard that smoking can help people to be
thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy)


I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and
feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never
really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before.

but the other bad effects like
stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing my
grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking Marlboros.

I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms
even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when I
went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick
afterward too..


Sorry to hear about your Gran. If she's got emphysema,
is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to
find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like)
is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop
muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart
problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart
failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I
remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-(
  #23  
Old May 11th, 2004, 06:20 PM
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Rubystars wrote:
"Gooserider" wrote in message
m...

"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...

On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article


er,

"Eva Whitley" wrote:


The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they


know

any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...

I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting


low-cal.

I

*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet -


especially

a lacto-vegetarian diet.


Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream


or

brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs,
weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat


much"

but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000


cals/day

just to maintain.



You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might not
eat much but still maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past.


Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known
caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity
burn up fairly well known amounts of calories.
Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if
you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you
burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you
take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical
NECESSITY.

Also some people don't have any natural
mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.


That is not difficult, provided one REALLY wants to
know it.


Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work.


If you cut your caloric intake to something less than
your caloric expenditure, you NECESSARILY will lose
weight. The caloric intake and the caloric expenditure
are highly variable, and people who cut their caloric
intake but don't lose weight NECESSARILY are still
consuming more in calories than they burn.

The people I
see buying low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat people. I
went through a phase where I was trying that "Stop the Insanity" diet where
you can eat a normal amount of food but everything had to be lower than 20%
of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot but I didn't lose much weight at
all.

Add to this the contradictory claims made by various "Experts" on what
should be eaten, how much, and when, and it can be extremely hard to figure
it all out.

Besides, food is only part of the picture. They need to exercise too. If
they tried exercising, they'd burn more calories no matter how much they
ate.

-Rubystars



  #24  
Old May 11th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Jonathan Ball
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ipse dixit wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:30:46 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:

"ipse dixit" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:06:21 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:
[..]

You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons
why a 300 lb person might not eat much but still
maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause
them to gain even if they eat like a normal person.
Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past. Also some people don't
have any natural mechanisms to help them know
what a portion size looks like, so they have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.

One of my over-eating problems is that it takes me longer
than most to "feel" full-up. I can wolf down three large
meals before I'm ready to leave the table while others just
pick and poke at their plate like sparrows.


That's because you're an undisciplined glutton, and
have been your whole life.

Also, I like the
taste of food, so why hasn't someone invented something
to spray on my tongue to reduce my taste-appetites?


For the same reason no one has invented a
self-discipline pill: it wouldn't work, and you
wouldn't take it if it did. Self-discipline comes from
*within*, you stupid ******.


I understand what you mean.



I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo.


You've a thing for disgusting gluttony.




Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down
their intake of food a lot in order to try to be healthier,
and it doesn't always work. The people I see buying
low calorie food, fat free food, etc. are usually fat
people.I went through a phase where I was trying
that "Stop the Insanity" diet where you can eat a
normal amount of food but everything had to be lower
than 20% of calories from fat. I wasn't eating a lot
but I didn't lose much weight at all.

Try packing up the fags. Since quitting at the beginning of
April I've gained a full stone. Oh heck!


That happens to a lot of people who quit, because the replace one habit with
the other supposedly.



My only replacement is aniseed balls. I use them
as a substitute for the fags, but I must admit I do
eat more during mealtimes


I've also heard that smoking can help people to be
thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy)



I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and
feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet.


Forget it. You are a lard-fried couch potato, and you
always shall be.

I've never
really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before.


You've never tried anything MEANINGFUL in your life,
you pillock.

  #25  
Old May 11th, 2004, 06:35 PM
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:20:39 GMT, Jonathan Ball
announced in front of God and everybody:

Rubystars wrote:


They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past.


Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known
caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity
burn up fairly well known amounts of calories.
Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if
you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you
burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you
take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical
NECESSITY.


I love it when people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking
about get positively vehement in defending their ignorance.

It's why I love Usenet so very, very much.

Dawn

  #26  
Old May 11th, 2004, 06:51 PM
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"ipse dixit" wrote in message
snip
I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab
contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half,
well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and
onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and
humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off.


The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard (I was used to
around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc. but it got a lot easier. I
can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk.
snip

I've also heard that smoking can help people to be
thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy)


I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and
feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never
really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before.


You can take an active role in "being active" rather than waiting to feel
like it. I almost never feel like exercising, but I do it because I need to.

but the other bad effects like
stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing

my
grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking

Marlboros.

I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms
even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when

I
went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick
afterward too..


Sorry to hear about your Gran.


Thanks.

If she's got emphysema,


She doesn't anymore. She's dead.

is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to
find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like)
is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop
muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart
problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart
failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I
remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-(


Kind of sounds like she was a pink puffer. She had to "puff" for breath
every few minutes when she was talking. She was pretty scrawny, but then,
she only ate once a day when she was at home. I don't think she had the
energy to cook more than that. She lit up all day long though. One after
another. She even tried to smoke when she went on oxygen a couple of times.
She could've exploded our house, but I don't blame her, she had dementia and
alzheimers too at that point, so she didn't really know what she was doing.
I don't know if it was advanced age or "muscle wasting" from the emphysema
that caused her to be weak (probably a combination of both) but she couldn't
even open our refrigerator without help.

-Rubystars


  #27  
Old May 11th, 2004, 07:08 PM
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:51:51 GMT, "Rubystars" wrote:


"ipse dixit" wrote in message
snip
I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab
contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half,
well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and
onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and
humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off.


The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard


I'll bet! I can't do 1500 kebabs/day. Respect - Wendy.

(I was used to around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc.


"growling" - after 2500 kebabs per day? Blimey, so would
mine, old girl. Are we talking calories here?

but it got a lot easier. I
can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk.


Maybe. If you don't mind my hypocritical preaching for
a minute; dieting is for whimps. I reckon the only way
to lose weight is to burn it off with regular exercise. Eat
until you're full, but make sure you burn it off afterwards.
The diet will look after itself if you work your body hard
and regularly.

[sorry to hear about your Gran. snip]
  #28  
Old May 11th, 2004, 07:09 PM
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Dawn Taylor wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:20:39 GMT, Jonathan Ball
announced in front of God and everybody:


Rubystars wrote:




They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward being
fat that's hard to get past.


Sorry. This is simply not true. Foods have known
caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity
burn up fairly well known amounts of calories.
Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if
you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you
burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you
take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical
NECESSITY.



I love it when people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking
about


I do know what I'm talking about. There is no great
mystery to weight loss. A cheeseburger of a given size
provides the same number of calories to me as it does
to you; moving your 120kg laterally for 4 miles on foot
- that's called "walking", fatso - burns even *more*
calories for you than it does for me (68kg).

Stop making excuses for your girth. You are overweight
because you won't consume fewer calories than you burn.
It's that simple. What ISN'T simple is any
explanation for your excuse-making. Some view it as
bad character; it might be.

  #29  
Old May 11th, 2004, 07:11 PM
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Rubystars wrote:

"ipse dixit" wrote in message
snip

I've a thing for falfel kebabs at the mo. Each kebab
contains 2 meat-ball sized lumps of it cut in half,
well-fried mushrooms, peppers, garlic (2 cloves) and
onions, all held in a garlic pitabread with lettuce and
humous. I could do 4 but that would be showing off.



The first few days I had of eating 1500/day were really hard (I was used to
around 2500/day). I had my stomach growling, etc. but it got a lot easier. I
can be full after eating a smaller amount now. Maybe my stomach shrunk.


An *initial* feeling of fullness has nothing to do with
your stomach literally being "full"; it has to do with
some of the food you've eaten shutting down the
chemical reaction that causes you to feel hungry.
WHENVER you eat to the point your stomach feels "full",
you've overeaten.

snip

I've also heard that smoking can help people to be
thin (maybe it just keeps the mouth busy)


I'm hoping the quit will make me more active and
feel inclined to burn it off rather than diet. I've never
really tried a *meaningful* or determined diet before.



You can take an active role in "being active" rather than waiting to feel
like it. I almost never feel like exercising, but I do it because I need to.


but the other bad effects like
stained teeth, etc. wouldn't be worth it to me, especially after seeing


my

grandmother suffering from emphysema after a lifetime of smoking


Marlboros.

I don't know how she breathed at all, to tell the truth. She had symptoms
even in clear air, and she smoked so much in her tiny apartment that when


I

went in there, I felt like *my* lungs were full of pea soup. I got sick
afterward too..


Sorry to hear about your Gran.



Thanks.


If she's got emphysema,



She doesn't anymore. She's dead.


is she a pink puffer or a blue bloater? A good way to
find out rather than observing her breath (rasp more like)
is to check her weight loss, if any. Pink puffers develop
muscle wasting and massive weight loss due to heart
problems while blue bloaters who retain co2 just get heart
failure on the one side of it and don't lose weight, if I
remember correctly. My mum's a pink puffer :-(



Kind of sounds like she was a pink puffer. She had to "puff" for breath
every few minutes when she was talking. She was pretty scrawny, but then,
she only ate once a day when she was at home. I don't think she had the
energy to cook more than that. She lit up all day long though. One after
another. She even tried to smoke when she went on oxygen a couple of times.
She could've exploded our house, but I don't blame her, she had dementia and
alzheimers too at that point, so she didn't really know what she was doing.
I don't know if it was advanced age or "muscle wasting" from the emphysema
that caused her to be weak (probably a combination of both) but she couldn't
even open our refrigerator without help.

-Rubystars



  #30  
Old May 11th, 2004, 07:12 PM
Rubystars
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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Rubystars wrote:
"Gooserider" wrote in message
m...

"Doug Lerner" wrote in message
...

On 5/10/04 2:53 PM, in article


er,

"Eva Whitley" wrote:


The morons at PETA have rolled out Veg Eye for the Fat Guy (he
http://goveg.com/feat/vegeye2/ ) targeting Ruben Studdard, Luciano
Pavarotti, Michael Moore, John Goodman, and John Madden.

Earth to PETA: it is possible to be fat and vegetarian. Don't they


know

any fat guy vegetarians? I could introduce them to some...

I tried a vegetarian diet for a couple of months before starting


low-cal.

I

*gained* weight. It's easy to gain weight on a vegetarian diet -

especially

a lacto-vegetarian diet.


Of course. It doesn't matter if the calories consumed are from ice cream


or

brussels sprouts. If one consumes more calories than one's body needs,
weight gain occurs. That's why I laugh at people who claim to "not eat


much"

but are still morbidly obese. A 300 pound person needs to eat 3000


cals/day

just to maintain.



You shouldn't laugh at them! There are reasons why a 300 lb person might

not
eat much but still maintain or even gain weight.

They could have metabolic problems that cause them to gain even if they

eat
like a normal person. Some people have a genetic disposition toward

being
fat that's hard to get past.


Sorry. This is simply not true.


I think some people have more of a natural tendency than others. This can be
seen in families who don't have bad eating habits but still nearly every
member of the family is big, even the young children. My sister had a friend
whose family was like that. They were all huge (not fat, huge), even though
they were all trying very hard. It could have been a gland problem that ran
in the family, etc. They said the doctor had said they had thyroid issues.

Foods have known
caloric values. Various forms of exercise and activity
burn up fairly well known amounts of calories.


Yes, if people take the effort and time to learn all that (often
contradictory) information, to sift the truth out, then they can make an
eating/exercise plan that will work for them.

Metabolism is NOT a constant for any individual: if
you exercise more and are otherwise more active, you
burn more calories. If you burn more calories than you
take in, you lose weight. It's a medical and logical
NECESSITY.


That's true. People can increase their metabolism, or decrease it, but I
think some people have a higher natural metabolism than other people, and so
there is a different range available for different people.

Also some people don't have any natural
mechanisms to help them know what a portion size looks like, so they

have to
actually learn it before they can control their intake.


That is not difficult, provided one REALLY wants to
know it.


They may not even know they have a problem with portion control until they
get really big, and then they're bombarded with different people trying to
take their money away to fix the overweight problem, without fixing the
issue that caused it. They may never learn what a regular sized portion is
unless they take the time to find out that specific information.

It's extremely easy to gain weight, and it's difficult to lose it. It takes
no effort at all to gain, it can take monumental effort to lose. So they
spend their money and time on a bunch of fad diets and just get bigger and
bigger and in the mean time they never really learn how much they should
eat, etc.


Besides, a lot of people who are big do cut down their intake of food a

lot
in order to try to be healthier, and it doesn't always work.


If you cut your caloric intake to something less than
your caloric expenditure, you NECESSARILY will lose
weight.


Yes, burning more calories than you consume sounds pretty easy, doesn't it?
It's not. In order to do that you have to know how much you can eat, how
many calories you can eat and still lose, what are good types of exercise
(walking, for example). Some people cut their food intake, but not enough,
or are eating smaller portions of high calorie foods, and they are
frustrated because they're unsatisified with the portions they eat but still
gain weight.

I mean, let's say someone ate 2 patio burritos for lunch every day, heated
up in the microwave with melted cheese over it. They cut it down to one
burrito. They still might not lose weight or stop gaining because it may not
be enough of a drop in calories/fat intake to help them.

The caloric intake and the caloric expenditure
are highly variable, and people who cut their caloric
intake but don't lose weight NECESSARILY are still
consuming more in calories than they burn.


Yes that's true! It's just that it takes effort and research to find out how
many calories you can consume, what kinds of foods are more bulky but lower
in fat and calories, etc. It takes no effort at all to buy what tastes good
and eat as much as you want to feel full. So people who don't have the
knowledge base to work from are at a disadvantage. The internet can make it
a lot easier, but in some ways it may make it more difficult, as there are
also a lot of diet scams being promoted over the internet.

-Rubystars


 




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