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"Roman Bystrianyk" wrote Liz Szabo,, "We should all eat like a Mediterranean", USA Today, Yes indeed. Let's see... If I eat like they do (traditionally) in La Camargue, in southern France, will that be "Mediterranean" enough? http://frenchfood.about.com/od/beefveal/r/gardiane.htm http://www.enprovence.com/ljones/cuisine/cuisi001.html http://berncity.tripod.com/provence.html (Note the wild boar stew.) -- Bob Kanyak's Doghouse http://www.kanyak.com |
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Bob in CT wrote in message ...
On 23 Sep 2004 06:51:40 -0700, Chet Hayes wrote: Kevin Stevens wrote in message ... In article , (Roman Bystrianyk) wrote: In a study in today's Journal of the American Medical Association, mortality rates were 65% lower among elderly people who combined a so-called Mediterranean diet with 30 minutes of daily exercise, moderate drinking and no tobacco use. What a useless freaking study! How much lower was the mortality rate among elderly people who combined ANY diet plan or WOE with 30 minutes of daily exercise, moderate drinking, and no tobacco use?! Don't like your initial results? Keep adding factor elements until you see a number you like. Ridiculous. KeS I wouldn't blast the study based on short excerpts from news organizations. The news usually goes for the simple, easy, overall message. If you look at the actual study, it was done to determine the effects of the diet, excercise, moderate drinking, no smoking, both together and seperately. It appears to be well designed and covered a 10 year period. There were benefits to all components, the combined effect was just the best result. But without data like true mortality (not the BS "relational" mortality), the study is useless. And did you read the actual study to see what data was recorded and reported before coming to the conclusion that the study was useless? It's like the study that gave two drugs to two different groups of people. The average LDL level dropped farther with one drug, and the relative number of deaths due to heart disease also dropped farther with that drug. The authors said that this "proved" that lowering LDL was beneficial, when that's not what the study proved at all. And what does drawing incorrect inferences have to do with this? In this example, you're right, the data doesn't show that the lowering of LDL was the mechanism, only that the drug reduced the incidence of heart disease. That would certainly be jumping to conclusions. What evidence do you have that this was done with the current study? (What it indicated was that if you took one drug and not another your relative risk of heart disease was lower.) Without access to the real data, none of us know what the results of this study are. OK, but without access how do you know it's useless based on a news report excerpt? |
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And walk like an Egyptian? LOL
Lee Rodgers Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com |
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And walk like an Egyptian? LOL
Lee Rodgers Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Alan Wright wrote:
It doesn't matter if we start eating like (some type of) Mediterranean or not. Could just as well be Chinese, Masai, or any other traditional diet of whole nutritious foods. The important thing is to QUIT EATING LIKE AN AMERICAN (fast food, processed food, sugar, trans fat, no nutrients, empty calories, too many carbs, etc...). LOL! Too true. And we have to START MOVING! The factor that these diet studies don't really seem to consider is how many, many more calories people are burning not in 'exercise' but in simple daily activity and physical labor. Heck, even your average Northern European moves more in the average day than the average American. (Except, I think, the English, who are approaching our level of sloth and health problems.) We are the most sedentary people on earth. We have saved so much labor with our cars and myriad labor-saving devices that many of us barely move anymore. Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Alan Wright wrote:
It doesn't matter if we start eating like (some type of) Mediterranean or not. Could just as well be Chinese, Masai, or any other traditional diet of whole nutritious foods. The important thing is to QUIT EATING LIKE AN AMERICAN (fast food, processed food, sugar, trans fat, no nutrients, empty calories, too many carbs, etc...). LOL! Too true. And we have to START MOVING! The factor that these diet studies don't really seem to consider is how many, many more calories people are burning not in 'exercise' but in simple daily activity and physical labor. Heck, even your average Northern European moves more in the average day than the average American. (Except, I think, the English, who are approaching our level of sloth and health problems.) We are the most sedentary people on earth. We have saved so much labor with our cars and myriad labor-saving devices that many of us barely move anymore. Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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In article , Matti Narkia
writes Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet-- walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that "the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"." How typical! Purslane is lovely, and walnuts are too. And snails are fabulous, especially Cretan ones. But I saw lots of cheese in Crete, and also quite a lot of podgy locals. Mind you, I also had the best-cooked fish I've ever had in my life in a tiny roadside taverna. -- Jane Lumley |
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In article , Matti Narkia
writes Other linolenic acid-rich ingredients of the Cretan diet-- walnuts, snails, and purslane--were replaced by his margarine. Although linolenic acid's protective effects have been corroborated in other studies, Ducimetière warns that "the extraordinary [Lyon] results await confirmation"." How typical! Purslane is lovely, and walnuts are too. And snails are fabulous, especially Cretan ones. But I saw lots of cheese in Crete, and also quite a lot of podgy locals. Mind you, I also had the best-cooked fish I've ever had in my life in a tiny roadside taverna. -- Jane Lumley |
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Dropped 21 wrote:
"We should all eat like a Mediterranean", I think this would depend on WHICH Mediterrenean! (coming from a Mediterranean family I know of what I speak!!) I know some Greeks for whom olive oil is practically a beverage. |
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