Do Calories Count?

Interesting article:

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1

A couple interesting quotes:

"Client after client has come to me, telling me "I've tried that Atkins
thing and it didn't work." "Really?" I ask. "What were you doing?" They then
proceed to list a day's worth of high-protein, high-fat food (which rarely
includes vegetables and which typically totals to about 4,000 calories a
day)."

And

"The point is: Calories aren't the whole story -- but they do matter. If
you're stuck at a plateau and have stopped losing weight on your low-carb
plan, maybe it's time to do a little digging and see just how much food
you're actually consuming."

I have known for years that you can consume more calories on a Low Carb diet
vs. a Low fat High carb diet and still lose weight, but the study by Dr
Green illustrates that calories still matter.

Rick

"Rick King" wrote in message
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Interesting article:

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1

A couple interesting quotes:

"Client after client has come to me, telling me "I've tried that Atkins
thing and it didn't work." "Really?" I ask. "What were you doing?" They
then proceed to list a day's worth of high-protein, high-fat food (which
rarely includes vegetables and which typically totals to about 4,000
calories a day)."

And

"The point is: Calories aren't the whole story -- but they do matter. If
you're stuck at a plateau and have stopped losing weight on your low-carb
plan, maybe it's time to do a little digging and see just how much food
you're actually consuming."

I have known for years that you can consume more calories on a Low Carb
diet vs. a Low fat High carb diet and still lose weight, but the study by
Dr Green illustrates that calories still matter.

Excellent article. I'd go for increasing exercise rather than decreasing
calories but there still has to be that deficit, but it's still a great
article.

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:19:54 GMT, "Rick King" wrote:

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Google and found more
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/15/health/main540776.shtml
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/10.23/03-lowcarb.html

By-Product of google
The calorie excretion effect(lose your calories)
Farting is good???
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/youropinions.php?opinionid=4166


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Rick King wrote:
Interesting article:

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1

A couple interesting quotes:

"Client after client has come to me, telling me "I've tried that Atkins
thing and it didn't work." "Really?" I ask. "What were you doing?" They then
proceed to list a day's worth of high-protein, high-fat food (which rarely
includes vegetables and which typically totals to about 4,000 calories a
day)."


I had a BIG friend who would eat steak and eggs for breakfast, or
whatever "low carb" breakfast food was on the restaurant menu. Perhaps
he did the same for lunch.

He never cooked.

Then for dinner he would go over to his girlfriend's house, and either
she would cook or they would go out. His girlfriend was a BIG long term
Weigh****cher member - rarely losing any weight.

At any rate, my BIG friend would like to say that he "did Atkins".

He never read a book. He didn't know the difference between carbs and
protein, but he could recognize fat. He couldn't remember if it was
better to have white or whole wheat toast. He always ate all of the hash
brown potatos put before him.

I don't think he ever lost weight.

People do unbelievably nutty things when the topic is diet.




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1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1


The article above references a study done at Harvard that showed people
on an 1800 calorie LC diet lost more weight than those on a 1500
calorie low fat diet. Anyone see or have a reference to the actual
study? That seems to be one study that shows a calorie isn't always a
calorie. Which is interesting, as we periodically see the debate over
whether LC ultimately works only because it dramatically reduces
hunger, so people wind up eating less calories.

wrote:
:: http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1
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::
:: The article above references a study done at Harvard that showed
:: people on an 1800 calorie LC diet lost more weight than those on a
:: 1500 calorie low fat diet. Anyone see or have a reference to the
:: actual study? That seems to be one study that shows a calorie
:: isn't always a calorie. Which is interesting, as we periodically
:: see the debate over whether LC ultimately works only because it
:: dramatically reduces hunger, so people wind up eating less calories.

I think that (based on MY experience), in the end, it's all about calories,
as far as weight loss is concerned. However, from a practical POV, it
matters greatly where the calories come from. If a person is highly IR,
then calories that greatly influence BG levels in the body have a practical
impact on a person's ability to lose weight - either they will hold water
(which will mask fat loss in the short term) or are not be able to stay on
plan, or both. Once these people remove the sources of calories that
strongly impact BG, they can lose weight readily. Any notion that they are
losing on higher calories probaby is skewed by a rev'ed up & screwed up
metabolism and quick loss of water weight.

I do wish I could find the original article (I think we've seen it here -
Susan can probably nail it), but the article you point to doesn't seem to
give enough info ot make it worth searching for, for me, anyway.

wrote:

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1

The article above references a study done at Harvard that showed people
on an 1800 calorie LC diet lost more weight than those on a 1500
calorie low fat diet. Anyone see or have a reference to the actual
study? That seems to be one study that shows a calorie isn't always a
calorie. Which is interesting, as we periodically see the debate over
whether LC ultimately works only because it dramatically reduces
hunger, so people wind up eating less calories.

There's also the principle of - More to lose, faster to lose it, less
to
lose, slower to lose it. As a trend it's easily noticed by noting
weights
and loss rates. I don't recall it being mentioned in any Atkins book
and
I don't recall any study on it.

To me that principle brings up the question - How much did the
experiment
subjects have to lose? Put in enough who have 100+ to lose in one
group and 20- to lose in another and pretty much any other trend would
likely be wiped out.

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The article above references a study done at Harvard that showed people
on an 1800 calorie LC diet lost more weight than those on a 1500
calorie low fat diet. Anyone see or have a reference to the actual
study?

To bad this site no longer works:

http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp

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RRzVRR wrote:
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::: http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1
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:::
::: The article above references a study done at Harvard that showed
::: people on an 1800 calorie LC diet lost more weight than those on a
::: 1500 calorie low fat diet. Anyone see or have a reference to the
::: actual study?
::
:: To bad this site no longer works:
::
:: http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp
::

Wasn't this Laura Richard's site? Has it been "hacked"?

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:19:54 GMT, "Rick King" wrote:

Interesting article:

http://www.ediets.com/news/article.c...=1884693&cid=1

A couple interesting quotes:

"Client after client has come to me, telling me "I've tried that Atkins
thing and it didn't work." "Really?" I ask. "What were you doing?" They then
proceed to list a day's worth of high-protein, high-fat food (which rarely
includes vegetables and which typically totals to about 4,000 calories a
day)
You should really have looked into it further. If he rarely included
vegetables in his diet then he WAS NOT doing the Atkins diet. I
follow the Atkins diet to a tee and I rarely get over 2,000 calories a
day.