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Old April 10th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Lictor
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I have been totally exhausted for about a week, and I was wondering why...
Then, it dawned upon me that I have been cutting dramatically on Pepsi Max
(diet with caffeine) for around a week. I used to drink around 2l a day (0.4
gal). Instead of that, I have been drinking mainly natural sparkling water
(carbonated, in order to reduce uric acid) and very little Pepsi (maybe
2l/0.4gal for the whole week). I don't drink coffee (hate the taste), and
only very little tea (I make a full bowl, and drink one third of it).
Does anyone know how much caffeine that would have meant (like, translated
into number of coffee, or drugs like Guronsan which I used during
university)? Given these doses, can withdrawal explain unusual tiredness or
even sleepiness?


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Old April 10th, 2004, 08:23 PM
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"Lictor" wrote in message
...
I have been totally exhausted for about a week, and I was wondering why...
Then, it dawned upon me that I have been cutting dramatically on Pepsi Max
(diet with caffeine) for around a week. I used to drink around 2l a day

(0.4
gal). Instead of that, I have been drinking mainly natural sparkling water
(carbonated, in order to reduce uric acid) and very little Pepsi (maybe
2l/0.4gal for the whole week). I don't drink coffee (hate the taste), and
only very little tea (I make a full bowl, and drink one third of it).
Does anyone know how much caffeine that would have meant (like, translated
into number of coffee, or drugs like Guronsan which I used during
university)? Given these doses, can withdrawal explain unusual tiredness

or
even sleepiness?


Even if I have a regular 1 or 2 cans of soda per day, if I go a few days
with no caffeine, I do feel a bit run down. So for yout o be drinking 2
liters a day, you probably are going thru some withdrawels and that could
lead to the tiredness.

One way to combat that might be to consider somethign like green tea to give
you a bit of a caffeine boost to get you thru the day as you wean yourself
off the soda.



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Old April 10th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Carol Frilegh
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In article , Lictor
wrote:

I have been totally exhausted for about a week, and I was wondering why...
Then, it dawned upon me that I have been cutting dramatically on Pepsi Max
(diet with caffeine) for around a week. I used to drink around 2l a day (0.4
gal). Instead of that, I have been drinking mainly natural sparkling water
(carbonated, in order to reduce uric acid) and very little Pepsi (maybe
2l/0.4gal for the whole week). I don't drink coffee (hate the taste), and
only very little tea (I make a full bowl, and drink one third of it).
Does anyone know how much caffeine that would have meant (like, translated
into number of coffee, or drugs like Guronsan which I used during
university)? Given these doses, can withdrawal explain unusual tiredness or
even sleepiness?


We know that you're concerned about the amount of caffeine that you
consume everyday, and while we'd love to give you a definitive answer
as to exactly how much caffeine is in the tea that you drink, we
cannot.

Why not?

Caffeine is a molecule that dissolves quickly in water. The amount of
caffeine in a pot of tea depends on many factors, like the temperature
of the water, the amount of time you spend brewing the tea, and the
amount of tea you use. If the water is hotter, caffeine will dissolve
more quickly. The longer you brew the tea, the more caffeine will be
able to dissolve into the infusion. If you use a lot of tea, there will
be more caffeine available that can dissolve into the brew.

The caffeine content of a dried tea leaf is around 2-3%, whereas the
caffeine content of roasted coffee is only 1%. So why does coffee have
so much more caffeine than tea? Coffee is far more concentrated. One
pound of coffee will yield 60 to 90 cups of coffee, whereas one pound
of tea will yield 200 to 400 cups of tea. Read below to find out
approximately how much caffeine is in a cup of coffee, a glass of iced
tea, and other caffeinated beverages.

here is more info about caffeine in beverages

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caff...ne_info1.shtml

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Old April 10th, 2004, 10:26 PM
Perple Gyrl
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Yes, definately! I would have probably tapered off a little bit slower then
you did. Your body should be feelign better as the addiction wears off.

"Lictor"

Given these doses, can withdrawal explain unusual tiredness or
even sleepiness?




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Old April 10th, 2004, 11:44 PM
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"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
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We know that you're concerned about the amount of caffeine that you
consume everyday, and while we'd love to give you a definitive answer
as to exactly how much caffeine is in the tea that you drink, we
cannot.


Actually, I'm not really that concerned My main goal wasn't to drop off
Pepsi, it was to start drinking highly carbonated water to deal with my
slightly off limit uric acid. But drinking more carbonated water made me
drink less Pepsi, since I can only manage to drink that much liquid... It's
only today that I thought that I had been cutting my main source of caffeine
for a week. Since I have also felt very tired, I wondered if there could be
some kind of link. Hence my question, I was trying to know if my Pepsi
intake actually made up a significant amount of caffeine.

Caffeine is a molecule that dissolves quickly in water. The amount of
caffeine in a pot of tea depends on many factors, like the temperature
of the water, the amount of time you spend brewing the tea, and the
amount of tea you use. If the water is hotter, caffeine will dissolve
more quickly. The longer you brew the tea, the more caffeine will be
able to dissolve into the infusion. If you use a lot of tea, there will
be more caffeine available that can dissolve into the brew.


Actually, I heard the opposite about tea. The longer you brew it, the less
caffeine left in the cup. From what I heard, this has to do with some
oxydation or something between caffeine itself and other agents in tea.
Anyway, brew time for me is short, not because of caffeine, but because I
don't like milk in my tea (and it tastes bitter without milk if you brew it
too long).

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caff...ne_info1.shtml


Thanks for the link. If Pepsi One and Pepsi Max are the same, that would
mean a 320mg intake a day. Only three expresso, doesn't seem that much.
Or six tablets of Guronsan which is *enormous* (though glucoronamide is
probably the real active stuff there). Seems I'm just tired because I'm
tired... Got to sleep more, and slow down the weight loss for a week or so I
guess...


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Old April 11th, 2004, 12:10 AM
Carol Frilegh
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In article , Lictor
wrote:

"Carol Frilegh" wrote in message
...
We know that you're concerned about the amount of caffeine that you
consume everyday, and while we'd love to give you a definitive answer
as to exactly how much caffeine is in the tea that you drink, we
cannot.


Actually, I'm not really that concerned


I had been drinking decaf codffee for years prior to developing Celiac
Disease and was quiite surprised to find real coffee slightly diluted
or weak was permitted on my Specific Carbohydrate Diet which is used by
people with IBS (irritable bowel syndrome -not irritable bowel disease
though) diet and enjoy two large cups half strength a day.

It gives me a lift without visible consequences. Recently it was
mentioned on the news that coffee as now been found to be an excellent
anti-oxident.

Whole Foods has some wonderful organic varieties and I have settled on
Allegro Organic Mexican which is roasted there and then I grind it
myself and brew with spring water.

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Old April 13th, 2004, 04:12 AM
OceanView
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"Lictor" wrote in
:

I have been totally exhausted for about a week, and I was
wondering why... Then, it dawned upon me that I have been
cutting dramatically on Pepsi Max (diet with caffeine) for
around a week. I used to drink around 2l a day (0.4 gal).
Instead of that, I have been drinking mainly natural
sparkling water (carbonated, in order to reduce uric acid)
and very little Pepsi (maybe 2l/0.4gal for the whole week).
I don't drink coffee (hate the taste), and only very little
tea (I make a full bowl, and drink one third of it). Does
anyone know how much caffeine that would have meant (like,
translated into number of coffee, or drugs like Guronsan
which I used during university)? Given these doses, can
withdrawal explain unusual tiredness or even sleepiness?



Replace the caffeine with water. You're used to being
dehydrated, because caffeine is a diuretic. You didn't feel
tired because you offset that with the stimulant. Drinking
water restores normal hydration and contains 1/3 oxygen. It
won't be exactly the same, buit it will help, as will eating
an apple in the morning (don't ask me why, but it helps).

I've done this a few times, for IBS, medications, etc. Right
now, I'm still drinking coffee, but I've cut back due to high
BP, as well as dietary considerations (caffeine increases
insulin, which increases fat production).

Just my experience, YMMV
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Old April 13th, 2004, 10:32 AM
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"OceanView" wrote in message
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Replace the caffeine with water. You're used to being
dehydrated, because caffeine is a diuretic. You didn't feel
tired because you offset that with the stimulant.


I was aware of dehydratation before, since it's a problem with any weight
loss anyway. My nutritionist had told me to drink more water several times
already Cutting on the Pepsi was actually a try to drink more of the
tasteless stuff... So, I was actually drinking more than usual, above the
1.5l a day limit (which is more than usual for me). I would expect my
dehydratation level to have gone down rather than up.

I've done this a few times, for IBS, medications, etc. Right
now, I'm still drinking coffee, but I've cut back due to high
BP, as well as dietary considerations (caffeine increases
insulin, which increases fat production).


I don't have much BP issues, my usual 13/8 has gone to 14/9 three months
ago, but then I have been really stressed every time I visited my doctor.
Do you have some links about the insulin issue? Until last week, I was on an
insulin secretant drug (repaglinide, 1x0.5mg before each meal except
breakfast - I think it's called Prandin in the USA), but I stopped it last
week since it seems my BG is going down pretty fast. I would expect it did a
lot more for my insulin level than caffeine did. Anyway, even under Prandin,
weight loss was not a real problem, my average was around 3.5lbs per week,
which seems reasonnable (even a bit too fast according to my nutritionist).
But I was indeed expect an even easier time without the Prandin
Since then, I have started to take a daily tablet of vitamin C. I have also
been drinking some Pepsi again, though in smaller quantities. Sparkling
water remains my main water source, with some Pepsi thrown in from time to
time, rather than the contrary as I used to do. I don't feel that exhausted
anymore, so it seems there was a link to caffeine. Or maybe it was just a
temporary side effect from stopping the Prandin.


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Old April 15th, 2004, 02:32 AM
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"Lictor" wrote in
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"OceanView" wrote in message
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Replace the caffeine with water. You're used to being
dehydrated, because caffeine is a diuretic. You didn't
feel tired because you offset that with the stimulant.


I was aware of dehydratation before, since it's a problem
with any weight loss anyway. My nutritionist had told me to
drink more water several times already Cutting on the
Pepsi was actually a try to drink more of the tasteless
stuff... So, I was actually drinking more than usual, above
the 1.5l a day limit (which is more than usual for me). I
would expect my dehydratation level to have gone down
rather than up.

I've done this a few times, for IBS, medications, etc.
Right now, I'm still drinking coffee, but I've cut back
due to high BP, as well as dietary considerations
(caffeine increases insulin, which increases fat
production).


I don't have much BP issues, my usual 13/8 has gone to 14/9
three months ago, but then I have been really stressed
every time I visited my doctor. Do you have some links
about the insulin issue? Until last week, I was on an
insulin secretant drug (repaglinide, 1x0.5mg before each
meal except breakfast - I think it's called Prandin in the
USA), but I stopped it last week since it seems my BG is
going down pretty fast. I would expect it did a lot more
for my insulin level than caffeine did. Anyway, even under
Prandin, weight loss was not a real problem, my average was
around 3.5lbs per week, which seems reasonnable (even a bit
too fast according to my nutritionist). But I was indeed
expect an even easier time without the Prandin Since
then, I have started to take a daily tablet of vitamin C. I
have also been drinking some Pepsi again, though in smaller
quantities. Sparkling water remains my main water source,
with some Pepsi thrown in from time to time, rather than
the contrary as I used to do. I don't feel that exhausted
anymore, so it seems there was a link to caffeine. Or maybe
it was just a temporary side effect from stopping the
Prandin.



Sounds like you're back on track. Some people can drag for
months. Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, was feeling lousy
and run-down and thought he had some terrible illness. Then
he remembered he'd quit coffee! He documented all this on
his web site at one point. He resumed coffee and was back on
track.

Anyway, caffeine apparently raises blood sugar by blocking
insulin. Strangely enough, some new studies suggest that
drinking caffeine may *prevent* diabetes.

ANyway, a basic web search at www.webmd.com (wrap lines if
needed):
http://my.webmd.com/search/search_re...uery=caffeine%
2Binsulin&filter=mywebmd_all_filter
 




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