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Old April 22nd, 2010, 07:59 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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On Apr 22, 1:16*pm, Billy wrote:
In article ,
*Doug Freyburger wrote:

About 5
million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage
of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the
planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding
species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey
animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain
than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last
couple of centuries. *Since it takes around 5 million years of steady
diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't
have any optimal diet. *But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer
cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per
day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year.


I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk
in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less. Where does
this 50K for herding come from?


I'd also like to know where the 20 hrs/wk foraging for hunter
gatherers came from. Most likely, it's pure speculation and totally
unreliable, because obviously no one could know for sure. Or did they
punch clocks back then?



It's news to me. 10K ago is the usual
number given for the beginning of agriculture. The industrial revolution
started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white,
wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last
50 years.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 08:55 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default "Fruits are great for you!". Really?

Billy wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

About 5
million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage
of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the
planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding
species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey
animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain
than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last
couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady
diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't
have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer
cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per
day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year.


I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk
in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less.


I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy
courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much
of that walking is the result of nomadic movements.

The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on
paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics
a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others
intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not
settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That
sounds like fun/

Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me.


It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may
have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on
extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the
glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs
worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that
animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very
aggressive in a guees.

10K ago is the usual
number given for the beginning of agriculture.


But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world.
And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older.

The industrial revolution
started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white,
wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last
50 years.


It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest
sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 09:19 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default "Fruits are great for you!". Really?

In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Billy wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

About 5
million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage
of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the
planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding
species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey
animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain
than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last
couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady
diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't
have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer
cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per
day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year.


I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk
in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less.


I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy
courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much
of that walking is the result of nomadic movements.

The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on
paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics
a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others
intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not
settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That
sounds like fun/

Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me.


It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may
have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on
extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the
glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs
worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that
animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very
aggressive in a guees.

10K ago is the usual
number given for the beginning of agriculture.


But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world.
And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older.

I don't think so. Mesopotamia, site of the civilizations of Akkad,
Sumer, Babylonia, and Assyria, is our first positive example of a
societies based on agriculture (Fertile Crescent and all that).

The industrial revolution
started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white,
wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last
50 years.


It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest
sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread.


High carb foods were seasonal though, not like high carb "snacks" which
are always present.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:17 PM posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
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Default "Fruits are great for you!". Really?

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Doug Freyburger wrote:

Billy wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:

About 5
million years ago we went from tree dwelling apes with a high percentage
of fruit for calories through a transition to the peak predator on the
planet spread somewhere across that next 5 million years, to a herding
species under 50K years ago who ate a much less varied list of prey
animals to a farming species under 20K years ago who ate far more grain
than was good for us, to an industrial junk food species in the last
couple of centuries. Since it takes around 5 million years of steady
diet to evolve it to optimal and humans have not had that, humans don't
have any optimal diet. But the closest we have to it is hunter gatherer
cultures who eat varied lean hunted meats, who walk several hours per
day and who eat wildly varying plant foods across the year.

I've read many accounts that hunter gatherers spent less than 20 hr./wk
in foraging food. I'm sure some spent more. Some spent less.


I remember the same from my lower division undergraduate anthropolgy
courses. It didn't account for the several hours walked per day. Much
of that walking is the result of nomadic movements.

The book NeanderThin by Ray Audette is one of several books on
paleolithic dieting. In it he suggests an exercise program that mimics
a hunter gatherer exercise program. Some days have long walks, others
intense games all in a time frame long enough that the body does not
settle into a routine. He suggests falconry as a good hobby, too. That
sounds like fun/

Where does this 50K for herding come from? It's news to me.


It's a wild extrapolation on my part based on estimates that dogs may
have started their domestication process longer ago than that, on
extinctions spanning anywhere from that long ago to more recent than the
glacier retreats, on the degree of domestication suggested by the furs
worn by "Otsi the iceman". It's not hard to find suggestions that
animal husbandry is a lot older than plant argiculture so I got very
aggressive in a guees.

10K ago is the usual
number given for the beginning of agriculture.


But it might have been as far back as 20K in a few regions of the world.
And animal husbandry is an unknown amount older.

I don't think so. Mesopotamia, site of the civilizations of Akkad,
Sumer, Babylonia, and Assyria, is our first positive example of a
societies based on agriculture (Fertile Crescent and all that).

The industrial revolution
started about 300 years ago, but junk food made from ubiquitous white,
wheat flour is only about a century old and only wide spread in the last
50 years.


It's the evolutionary source for a claim that certain of the highest
sugar fruits aren't beneficial in this thread.


High carb foods were seasonal though, not like high carb "snacks" which
are always present.

If there is wisdom in eating by the season then so simple a option may
be of import. Take stuff with labels out and soft drinks and our margin
of error that hurts bnot only T's may be reduced as well. Easy to say
but necessary to regain health.
My guess is try to eat what you can grow or someone 1000 miles a way
and then try to find tune it via local production.
Oh but my Manchengo is from Spain....But it special and a rare treat .

Sounds like this is a wreck gardens issue but they are connected.

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Old January 19th, 2011, 03:40 PM
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Hey....
I think fruit are realy very good for health... Fruit have fibers which are good enough for health and pretty effective for lose weight
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Old January 24th, 2011, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Bushell View Post
In article ,
Alice Faber
wrote:

In article
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wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:47*pm, Alice Faber wrote:
In article
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" wrote:
On Apr 19, 5:56*pm, Alfred Matej wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:53:04 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a
smoothie
made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline?
We
are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you""
messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this?

I'd guess it was insulin. How big was the smoothie?

I had a large one because I love the taste. *About 2 1/2 cups.
Tonight I'm back to "safety" with tuna and green beans. I don't want
to gain back the water.

Hmmm...2 1/2 cups of smoothie has got to be c. 75 grams of carb,
depending on ingredients. One banana alone is 30 grams of carb. If
there's OJ in your smoothie, there's another 30 grams (assuming 8 oz of
juice). Strawberries and plain yoghurt are relatively low-carb, but they
still add some. Finally, if you bought the smoothy somewhere, I'd be
shocked if there weren't some sugar or honey in it.

No yogurt or juice. Just one or two bananas and strawberries. I
demanded that there be absolutely no sugar added.


Bananas have, on average, 30 grams of carbohydrate, each (assuming
they're not too large!). Most smoothie recipes that I've seen have
*some* liquid added, either milk or fruit juice; those are equivalent in
terms of carb content (though not in taste, obviously).


Perhaps, they added high fructose corn syrup instead, technically that's
not sugar.

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Old March 21st, 2011, 10:10 AM
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Fruits are really great for everyone and if you take it as a diet then it is the best thing to eat. Because fruits are the best thing to eat and it has many things in it. And i like to eat it and my favorite fruit is orange, banana and apple.
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Old March 23rd, 2011, 10:21 AM
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Fruits are excellent.. especially those which have anti-oxidants...
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Old April 15th, 2011, 04:55 PM
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There would be another reason for this problem..
fruits does not work as insulin for body...
Banana contains much sugar in it ..

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Old May 23rd, 2011, 02:34 AM
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Quote:
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I almost felt asleep in the bus within an hour after having a smoothie
made of banana and strawberries. Coincidence or is it my insuline? We
are bombarbed in the media with the "Fruits are great for you""
messages. If they are, then why are they killing me like this?
smoothie is not only fruits in it must contain a sweetening agent either suger or syrup or may be both.
you can make it at home and add to it your diet sugar.
it is an easy drink : your preferred fruit + ice + your suger
 




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