Epidemiology Journal: Carb type matters

Findings
- total carb intake not related to body weight
- type of carb is important
(these two statements seem to contradict eachother)

- "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added."

Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating tomatoes,
mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry makes so much money.

gtoomey
------------------------------------------------
http://www.reutershealth.com/archive...16elin003.html

Carbohydrate type, not amount, linked to obesity

Last Updated: 2005-02-16 16:06:09 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Alison McCook

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - When it comes to carbohydrates, it's not how
much you eat, but which kind, that makes a difference to your bathroom
scale, new research shows.

People who are overweight do not appear to eat more carbohydrates overall
than people who weigh less, the researchers report in the American Journal
of Epidemiology. However, they found that overweight people tend to eat
more refined carbohydrates, such as white bread and pasta, which cause a
rapid spike in blood sugar.

"Total amount of carbohydrate is not related to body weight," Dr. Yunsheng
Ma of the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester told
Reuters Health. "It's the type of carbohydrate that's important."

These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend people
cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added.

"Carbohydrates are not the enemy," he said in an interview. "But you have to
watch the kind of enemy."

Ma explained that refined carbohydrates are often found in processed foods
that contain a lot of sugar. This type of carbohydrate has what's called a
high glycemic index, meaning it causes a rapid increase in blood sugar. The
body stores that sugar in muscle, but if it is not used, it becomes fat, he
noted.

In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.

In the report, Ma and his colleagues note that in the last 20 years, the
rate of obesity has increased, despite the fact that people are eating less
fat. To help investigate the role carbohydrates play in obesity, the
researchers measured the height and weight of 572 healthy people, and asked
them to regularly report what carbohydrates they ate. Ma's team followed
study participants for one year.

They found that people with a higher body mass index -- a measure of weight
that factors in height -- tended to eat carbohydrates with a higher
glycemic index. The amount of carbohydrates people ate had no influence on
body mass index.

"Refined carbohydrates are no good, but the total amount of carbohydrates is
okay," Ma noted.

He added that some countries now include a food's glycemic index on the
labeling, which can be helpful for people trying to lose weight or deal
with diabetes.

SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology, February 15; 2005

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:26:55 +1000, Gregory Toomey
wrote:


Findings
- total carb intake not related to body weight
- type of carb is important
(these two statements seem to contradict eachother)

- "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added."

Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating
tomatoes,
mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry makes so much
money.

gtoomey
------------------------------------------------
http://www.reutershealth.com/archive...16elin003.html

Carbohydrate type, not amount, linked to obesity

Last Updated: 2005-02-16 16:06:09 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Alison McCook

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - When it comes to carbohydrates, it's not how
much you eat, but which kind, that makes a difference to your bathroom
scale, new research shows.

People who are overweight do not appear to eat more carbohydrates overall
than people who weigh less, the researchers report in the American
Journal
of Epidemiology. However, they found that overweight people tend to eat
more refined carbohydrates, such as white bread and pasta, which cause a
rapid spike in blood sugar.

I find this statement confusing. If people are eating the exact same
amount of carbohydrates, what else is making up for the calorie
difference? If there is a calorie difference, and it's not from carbs,
then what's it from? It has to be from somewhere. That means that
perhaps it's not necessarily the glycemic index, but the amount of food
eaten.

"Total amount of carbohydrate is not related to body weight," Dr.
Yunsheng
Ma of the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester told
Reuters Health. "It's the type of carbohydrate that's important."

These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people
cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added.

"Carbohydrates are not the enemy," he said in an interview. "But you
have to
watch the kind of enemy."

Ma explained that refined carbohydrates are often found in processed
foods
that contain a lot of sugar. This type of carbohydrate has what's called
a
high glycemic index, meaning it causes a rapid increase in blood sugar.
The
body stores that sugar in muscle, but if it is not used, it becomes fat,
he
noted.

In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.

What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
grains"?

In the report, Ma and his colleagues note that in the last 20 years, the
rate of obesity has increased, despite the fact that people are eating
less
fat. To help investigate the role carbohydrates play in obesity, the
researchers measured the height and weight of 572 healthy people, and
asked
them to regularly report what carbohydrates they ate. Ma's team followed
study participants for one year.

They found that people with a higher body mass index -- a measure of
weight
that factors in height -- tended to eat carbohydrates with a higher
glycemic index. The amount of carbohydrates people ate had no influence
on
body mass index.

There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating the
same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
(and, certainly, eat less).

"Refined carbohydrates are no good, but the total amount of
carbohydrates is
okay," Ma noted.

He added that some countries now include a food's glycemic index on the
labeling, which can be helpful for people trying to lose weight or deal
with diabetes.

SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology, February 15; 2005



--
Bob in CT

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:26:55 +1000, Gregory Toomey
wrote:


Findings
- total carb intake not related to body weight
- type of carb is important
(these two statements seem to contradict eachother)

- "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added."

Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating
tomatoes,
mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry makes so much
money.

gtoomey
------------------------------------------------
http://www.reutershealth.com/archive...16elin003.html

Carbohydrate type, not amount, linked to obesity

Last Updated: 2005-02-16 16:06:09 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Alison McCook

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - When it comes to carbohydrates, it's not how
much you eat, but which kind, that makes a difference to your bathroom
scale, new research shows.

People who are overweight do not appear to eat more carbohydrates overall
than people who weigh less, the researchers report in the American
Journal
of Epidemiology. However, they found that overweight people tend to eat
more refined carbohydrates, such as white bread and pasta, which cause a
rapid spike in blood sugar.

I find this statement confusing. If people are eating the exact same
amount of carbohydrates, what else is making up for the calorie
difference? If there is a calorie difference, and it's not from carbs,
then what's it from? It has to be from somewhere. That means that
perhaps it's not necessarily the glycemic index, but the amount of food
eaten.

"Total amount of carbohydrate is not related to body weight," Dr.
Yunsheng
Ma of the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester told
Reuters Health. "It's the type of carbohydrate that's important."

These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people
cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added.

"Carbohydrates are not the enemy," he said in an interview. "But you
have to
watch the kind of enemy."

Ma explained that refined carbohydrates are often found in processed
foods
that contain a lot of sugar. This type of carbohydrate has what's called
a
high glycemic index, meaning it causes a rapid increase in blood sugar.
The
body stores that sugar in muscle, but if it is not used, it becomes fat,
he
noted.

In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.

What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
grains"?

In the report, Ma and his colleagues note that in the last 20 years, the
rate of obesity has increased, despite the fact that people are eating
less
fat. To help investigate the role carbohydrates play in obesity, the
researchers measured the height and weight of 572 healthy people, and
asked
them to regularly report what carbohydrates they ate. Ma's team followed
study participants for one year.

They found that people with a higher body mass index -- a measure of
weight
that factors in height -- tended to eat carbohydrates with a higher
glycemic index. The amount of carbohydrates people ate had no influence
on
body mass index.

There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating the
same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
(and, certainly, eat less).

"Refined carbohydrates are no good, but the total amount of
carbohydrates is
okay," Ma noted.

He added that some countries now include a food's glycemic index on the
labeling, which can be helpful for people trying to lose weight or deal
with diabetes.

SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology, February 15; 2005



--
Bob in CT

"Bob M" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:26:55 +1000, Gregory Toomey
wrote:


Findings
- total carb intake not related to body weight
- type of carb is important
(these two statements seem to contradict eachother)

- "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added."

Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating
tomatoes,
mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry makes so much
money.

gtoomey
------------------------------------------------
http://www.reutershealth.com/archive...16elin003.html

Carbohydrate type, not amount, linked to obesity

Last Updated: 2005-02-16 16:06:09 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Alison McCook

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - When it comes to carbohydrates, it's not how
much you eat, but which kind, that makes a difference to your bathroom
scale, new research shows.

People who are overweight do not appear to eat more carbohydrates overall
than people who weigh less, the researchers report in the American
Journal
of Epidemiology. However, they found that overweight people tend to eat
more refined carbohydrates, such as white bread and pasta, which cause a
rapid spike in blood sugar.

I find this statement confusing. If people are eating the exact same
amount of carbohydrates, what else is making up for the calorie
difference? If there is a calorie difference, and it's not from carbs,
then what's it from? It has to be from somewhere. That means that
perhaps it's not necessarily the glycemic index, but the amount of food
eaten.


i guess what they are saying is that if you eat 40 carb grams of brocolli
you won't be as fat as the person who eats 40 carb grams of snickers bars?

they just don' t seem to get it -


"Total amount of carbohydrate is not related to body weight," Dr.
Yunsheng
Ma of the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester told
Reuters Health. "It's the type of carbohydrate that's important."

These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
people
cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added.

"Carbohydrates are not the enemy," he said in an interview. "But you
have to
watch the kind of enemy."

huh???


Ma explained that refined carbohydrates are often found in processed
foods
that contain a lot of sugar. This type of carbohydrate has what's called
a
high glycemic index, meaning it causes a rapid increase in blood sugar.
The
body stores that sugar in muscle, but if it is not used, it becomes fat,
he
noted.

In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.


well -sounds to me they are reinventing the wheel. they want you to eat a
low-carb diet but not call it that i guess. i think if they read one of the
Low-carb books (like atkins or south beach or the hellers plan) they's say
"Oh yeah - what he said, never mind"



What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
grains"?

In the report, Ma and his colleagues note that in the last 20 years, the
rate of obesity has increased, despite the fact that people are eating
less
fat. To help investigate the role carbohydrates play in obesity, the
researchers measured the height and weight of 572 healthy people, and
asked
them to regularly report what carbohydrates they ate. Ma's team followed
study participants for one year.

They found that people with a higher body mass index -- a measure of
weight
that factors in height -- tended to eat carbohydrates with a higher
glycemic index. The amount of carbohydrates people ate had no influence
on
body mass index.

There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating the
same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
(and, certainly, eat less).

"Refined carbohydrates are no good, but the total amount of
carbohydrates is
okay," Ma noted.

He added that some countries now include a food's glycemic index on the
labeling, which can be helpful for people trying to lose weight or deal
with diabetes.

SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology, February 15; 2005



--
Bob in CT

1) I think they're talking about volume of carby foods, but not really
counting carbs.

2) I, personally, didn't get fat eating whole grains, fruit, and veggies. I
got really fat eating way too many highly refined carb- AND fat- filled
foods.

So, I do think that total carb intake matters, in terms of grams of carbs,
but not in terms of weight or volume. Junk carbs need to go in any case.

Gregory Toomey wrote:
:: Findings
:: - total carb intake not related to body weight
:: - type of carb is important
:: (these two statements seem to contradict eachother)
::
:: - "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which
:: recommend people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the
:: mark, Ma added."
::
:: Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating
:: tomatoes, mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry
:: makes so much money.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:36:45 -0500, "Bob M" wrote:

=On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:26:55 +1000, Gregory Toomey
=wrote:
=
=
= Findings
= - total carb intake not related to body weight
= - type of carb is important
= (these two statements seem to contradict eachother)
=
= - "These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
= people cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added."
=
= Researchers STILL dont get it. What low carb diets stop you eating
= tomatoes,
= mushrooms, broccoli, etc? No wonder the diet industry makes so much
= money.
=
= gtoomey
= ------------------------------------------------
= http://www.reutershealth.com/archive...16elin003.html
=
= Carbohydrate type, not amount, linked to obesity
=
= Last Updated: 2005-02-16 16:06:09 -0400 (Reuters Health)
=
= By Alison McCook
=
= NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - When it comes to carbohydrates, it's not how
= much you eat, but which kind, that makes a difference to your bathroom
= scale, new research shows.
=
= People who are overweight do not appear to eat more carbohydrates overall
= than people who weigh less, the researchers report in the American
= Journal
= of Epidemiology. However, they found that overweight people tend to eat
= more refined carbohydrates, such as white bread and pasta, which cause a
= rapid spike in blood sugar.
=
=I find this statement confusing. If people are eating the exact same
=amount of carbohydrates, what else is making up for the calorie
=difference? If there is a calorie difference, and it's not from carbs,
=then what's it from? It has to be from somewhere. That means that
=perhaps it's not necessarily the glycemic index, but the amount of food
=eaten.

Carbohydrate is a term that is confusing.
For example, fiber is carb, but most fibers is not digestible in normal
condition(not low cal situation).

In conclusion, this research is pretty much pointless.

=
= "Total amount of carbohydrate is not related to body weight," Dr.
= Yunsheng
= Ma of the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester told
= Reuters Health. "It's the type of carbohydrate that's important."
=
= These findings suggest that low-carbohydrate diets, which recommend
= people
= cut back on all carbohydrates, are missing the mark, Ma added.
=
= "Carbohydrates are not the enemy," he said in an interview. "But you
= have to
= watch the kind of enemy."
=
= Ma explained that refined carbohydrates are often found in processed
= foods
= that contain a lot of sugar. This type of carbohydrate has what's called
= a
= high glycemic index, meaning it causes a rapid increase in blood sugar.
= The
= body stores that sugar in muscle, but if it is not used, it becomes fat,
= he
= noted.
=
= In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
= don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.
=
=What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
=grains"?

http://www.qctimes.com/internal.php?story_id=1043411&l=1&t=Food&c=13,1043 411
Brown is whole grain rice that has not been milled, leaving the germ and bran
layer intact. This bran layer accounts for the tan color, chewy texture and
nutty flavor, and it is the reason why it contains four times the amount of
insoluble fiber found in white rice, a prime reason for eating brown instead
of white.

=
= In the report, Ma and his colleagues note that in the last 20 years, the
= rate of obesity has increased, despite the fact that people are eating
= less
= fat. To help investigate the role carbohydrates play in obesity, the
= researchers measured the height and weight of 572 healthy people, and
= asked
= them to regularly report what carbohydrates they ate. Ma's team followed
= study participants for one year.
=
= They found that people with a higher body mass index -- a measure of
= weight
= that factors in height -- tended to eat carbohydrates with a higher
= glycemic index. The amount of carbohydrates people ate had no influence
= on
= body mass index.
=
=There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating the
=same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
=that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
=excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
=blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
=(and, certainly, eat less).

The law of physic is still the same in Foods.
Fiber is the missing element, not the glycemic index carbs.

=
= "Refined carbohydrates are no good, but the total amount of
= carbohydrates is
= okay," Ma noted.
=
= He added that some countries now include a food's glycemic index on the
= labeling, which can be helpful for people trying to lose weight or deal
= with diabetes.
=
= SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology, February 15; 2005

"Bob M" wrote in message
news
In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.

What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
grains"?


Some of it is, some of it is just colored white bread, you have to read the
label to know for sure.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Bob M" wrote in message
news
In contrast, whole grains, fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates that
don't have such high glycemic index, Ma said.

What is meant by "whole grains"? Is "whole wheat" bread from "whole
grains"?


Some of it is, some of it is just colored white bread, you have to read the
label to know for sure.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Moon Shooter" wrote in message
...
=There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating
the
=same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
=that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
=excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
=blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
=(and, certainly, eat less).

The law of physic is still the same in Foods.
Fiber is the missing element, not the glycemic index carbs.


More fiber is what makes the food lower GI.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Moon Shooter" wrote in message
...
=There they go again. So, you have two groups who appear to be eating
the
=same amount of carbohydrates, but one group is heavier. That must mean
=that the heavier group is eating more. If they're eating more, then the
=excess calories -- and not the low glycemic index carbs -- could be to
=blame. Maybe the people who eat low glycemic index carbs exercise more
=(and, certainly, eat less).

The law of physic is still the same in Foods.
Fiber is the missing element, not the glycemic index carbs.


More fiber is what makes the food lower GI.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes