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Old March 15th, 2004, 10:54 PM
Mack
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"Ignoramus21819" wrote

I am not at all sure what is the benefit of fake soy milk as opposed
to cow milk.


I don't want to drift off into a cow's milk argument here. I suggest you
put "What's wrong with cow's milk?" into Google. You will get all the
arguments on both sides and, believe me, there are plenty of them.

I drank huge amounts of cow's milk when I was kid and, sure enough, I was a
fat kid. But as my children were growing up, we seldom had it in the house
because I had stopped drinking it long before and one of my sons could not
drink even a swallow of the stuff because it caused his sinuses, throat and
chest to start pumping out large quantities of mucus. (Not unusual, I
understand.) I have just long taken the position that cow's milk has
evolved specifically to make more cows. Seems to me that milk is baby food,
and baby humans need to drink human milk and adult humans, no milk at all.
But others may and do differ.

mack
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Old March 15th, 2004, 10:56 PM
That T Woman
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"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message
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In article , Mack wrote:
The real problem lies with the parents and the pre-schools and

government
schools -- and the way they create early bad eating habits in their
children.

My 19-month old grand-daughter, who is being raised by fitness-oriented
parents and grand-parents, was never fed canned baby food and almost

never
encounters any food with added sugar or salt. Her favorite foods are
grilled or baked sweet potatoes, lean chicken & fish, vegetables,

including
broccoli, green beans and a variety of salad items, and many fruits,
including strawberries and blueberries. She eats the fruits but does

not
drink the juice without the fiber. She's crazy about unsalted pumpkin
seeds.


My son (29 months old) also eats no junk food whatsoever and almost no
sugar. I think that giving kids chidrens' junk food designed to be
addictive to kids, is insane and malicious.


She never even sees "fast" foods, potato chips, salty snacks, sugary

cereal
and the like.


same here

Now that she has stopped nursing, she does drink a little cow
milk, at her parents' house, but also loves the unsweetened soy milk

with
added calcium that she gets at our house.


I am not at all sure what is the benefit of fake soy milk as opposed
to cow milk.


In cow's milk you have all kinds of hormones that are given to the cows and
pass through in the milk. I was reading on another fitness related
newsgroup and the guys were discussing how you can get really huge (hooge I
think is how they put it) by drinking a gallon of whole milk a day not just
from the calories but also from the growth hormones. Soy milk doesn't have
those things in it. I can't drink cow milk or most other dairy products
because they cause too much phlegm production in my sinuses. I don't know
what component in cow milk causes that but it's a severe reaction in me that
I go out of my way to avoid.

Tonia


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Old March 16th, 2004, 12:12 AM
Doug Freyburger
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Diarmid Logan wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm
'Put fat children on Atkins diet'
Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

....
"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."


And the mandatory veggies, too. Why didn't he mention them?

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.


These guys really ought to try using facts for a change. Oh right,
if they did that they'd stop being opponents. Atkins does not damage
kidneys and is actively helpfull for the rest. Clueless folks.
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Old March 16th, 2004, 02:11 AM
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"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
om...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'


I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and get
more excercise.

Jeff's rules of food:

1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement leaves
the table).

2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table.

3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated
areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table).

4) No food in front of the TV/computer.

5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day,
combined.

6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food includes
chips, cookies, cake)

7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks
away, you walk, not ride.

8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together.
Jeff


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Old March 16th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Mark D.
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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message news:HuMvG3.7Jq@bath

When a diet is described as "high in fat", it usually means the
*percentage* of fat in the diet is high.

It's the same with high protein diets.

Atkins is a low carb diet - so it is high in fats and proteins -
at least as far as the percentages go.


Problem is, Tim, that Atkins is then criticised for being a 'dangerously'
high-fat or 'worryingly' high-protein diet -- even though the *absolute
amounts of these food-types consumed* may actually be *lower* for an
appetite-suppressed Atkins dieter than for the sugar-crazed carb-junkie
sitting next to them.

This isn't *fair*, and it sure as hell ain't *honest*. The
carbohydrate-whores are throwing the terms 'high fat' and 'high protein'
around to *scare people*: it's as simple - and as disgraceful - as that.
What you are saying, in fact, is tantamount to the claim that one can switch
to a 'low fat' diet by just eating a helluva lot more *glucose*: 'it's lower
in fats and proteins - at least as far as the percentages go...'.
..
You're a *bright guy*, Tim -- so *why* do you keep selling out to the Dark
Side on this matter? What issues do you have with this? Seriously. There
*has to be a reason* why you stop making sense whenever this stuff crops
up...

M.


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Old March 16th, 2004, 02:54 AM
Pizza Girl
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Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article , Diarmid

Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill, and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."





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Old March 16th, 2004, 03:26 AM
Mark D.
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"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Diarmid Logan" wrote in message
om...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'


I prefer: Help families with overweight children learn to eat better and

get
more excercise.

Jeff's rules of food:

1) No arguements at the dinner table. ((s)he who starts and arguement

leaves
the table).

2) No mentioning how much or how little one eats at the table.

3) All food is eaten and all drink (except water) is drunk in designated
areas (e.g., kitchen, dining room table).

4) No food in front of the TV/computer.

5) Only two hours of recreational computer, TV and video game use per day,
combined.

6) Little unhealthy food is brought into the house (unhealthy food

includes
chips, cookies, cake)

7) When you can walk, you walk (e.g., if the grocery store is two blocks
away, you walk, not ride.

8) The family goes to the park, church, etc., together.
Jeff


Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth...(*)

M.

(*) Where some people even have *spell-checkers*...


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Old March 16th, 2004, 04:02 AM
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Ignoramus21819 wrote:

Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more
expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as
"organic" milk?


Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special cows* -
all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph

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Old March 16th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Pizza Girl
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If you want "buttermilk" you have to be really nice to the cows.

"SnugBear" wrote in message
.4...
Ignoramus21819 wrote:

Anyway, I will read up on milk and hormones. Is there perhaps more
expensive milk that is made from cows not fed hormones? Such as
"organic" milk?


Oh we have *special dairies* that sell *special milk* from *special

cows* -
all at a very *special price* here in Maine. hmph

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  #20  
Old March 16th, 2004, 04:53 AM
JC Der Koenig
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You're an idiot. Hopefully you haven't reproduced yet.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Pizza Girl" wrote in message
s.com...
Use pure cream instead of milk, untrimmed meat instead of lean, no low fat
products etc.

High fat and bad for you. A high protein I go for but not high fat too.

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...
It's not a high fat diet either, in an absolute sense.

--
Most of us probably aren't in danger of eating too little.

Becky P.

"Ignoramus21819" wrote in message
...
This is funny as this seems to be a dialog of people where both of
them have no clue as to what they are talking about.

One says that kids should be put on Atkins, which works becaus eit is
"high protein". (bull****, as atkins is a high fat diet)

Another objects by saying essentially nothing meaningful at all.

i

In article , Diarmid

Logan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3509792.stm

'Put fat children on Atkins diet'

Fat children should be put on Atkins-style diets to lose weight and
prevent illness, a cancer specialist has said.

Professor Julian Peto, of the Institute of Cancer Research, said
high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets could suppress appetites and

keep
children slim.

Obesity "is now overtaking smoking as the number one killer and I am
very concerned that we need to tackle it early," he told BBC Radio 5
Live.

He said dietary advice for children was not working and needed a
"rethink".

He added that children should be weighed regularly in school.

The problem of obesity is soaring among children in the UK.

In 1998, 9% of two to four-year-olds were considered obese - almost
double the figure in 1989.

The World Health Organisation says being overweight causes diabetes,
heart disease and some forms of cancer.

Professor Peto said the Atkins diet, which involves eating lots of
meat and other high protein foods, while restricting carbohydrates,
worked because proteins suppressed the appetite and people did not

eat
as much.

"I am sure the Atkins wasn't developed on this basis but that is why
it works," he said.

"The levels of salt and fat are anything but healthy but the basis

of
the diet - which is low carbohydrate and high protein - is ideal for
losing weight."

Opponents of Atkins-style diets claim that, over the long term, they
can cause kidney damage, thin bones and constipation, raise
cholesterol levels and increase the risk of diabetes and an early
heart attack.

But some British doctors are already putting obese children on
Atkins-style diets.

Dr Dee Dawson, medical director at Rhodes Farm Clinic, a residential
home for treatment of children with eating disorders, says the diet

is
good for children.

"The children who come here are not just overweight, they are ill,

and
in danger of dying. Some of them can't breathe and some of them

can't
lie down.

"I do think the basis of Atkins - low carbohydrate and high

protein -
is a good diet for children and the priority is for these children

to
get weight off."

But nutritionist Dr Toni Steer, of the Medical Research Council,
warned that there is not enough research into the long-term health
effects of being on the diet.

"We realise obesity is a major problem which we need to tackle as a
matter of urgency but I would be very concerned about advising
children to follow diets like Atkins."







 




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