I'm like Herman Munster

Anybody remember The Munsters? There was the episode where Herman went to
the doctor and broke the doctor's scale? When asked about his weight, Herman
would say he weighed "three times", because the scale went 'round three
times when he got on it.

I feel like that.

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce back
bigger than before!)

Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

(Do people still do the ECA thing? Does that work well?)

By the weigh, I gotta do something. I have diabetes and fat deposits in my
liver, and I need to lose about a hundred pounds to once again be slim and
healthy.

Mike

I like the ad for the arthritis aid where they use
Frankenstein and show him doing T'ai Chi and reading
to kids at the library.

If this is adult onset diabetes why hasn't your doctor
referred you to a registered dietitian or state-licensed
nutritionist who specializes in working with diabetics?
Ask the doctor why that hasn't been done. You may want
to switch doctors.

Because any doctor who doesn't know that adult onset diabetes
is treated with exercise and changes in eating habits, doesn't
know what s/he is doing.

In the meantime start exercising. Like walking around the
block or around the concourse at the nearest mall.

Mike Turco wrote:

Anybody remember The Munsters? There was the episode where Herman went to
the doctor and broke the doctor's scale? When asked about his weight, Herman
would say he weighed "three times", because the scale went 'round three
times when he got on it.

I feel like that.

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce back
bigger than before!)

Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

(Do people still do the ECA thing? Does that work well?)

By the weigh, I gotta do something. I have diabetes and fat deposits in my
liver, and I need to lose about a hundred pounds to once again be slim and
healthy.

Mike

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Want to ask the author, Dr. Chung, a question?

Ask away. He is listening.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030829.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

Anybody remember The Munsters? There was the episode where Herman went to
the doctor and broke the doctor's scale? When asked about his weight, Herman
would say he weighed "three times", because the scale went 'round three
times when he got on it.

I feel like that.

I actually just saw that very episode a little while ago.


And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce back
bigger than before!)

If you did so well on Atkins then why not go back to it
with more determination to suceed.
I lost 45 pounds on it originally and fortunately never gained it back
but have *maintained* myself around 330 pounds and I was eating a lot
of crap.
Now I am back on Atkins and ready to kick things up a notch or two
again to see where and how far I can go on it.


Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago.

Congrats on that. I quit smoking 10 years ago myself and it was the
best thing I ever did for myself then.

Now for me it is all about losing weight and getting healthier that
way.



If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please.

http://atkins.com/index.html

http://www.thewalkingsite.com/beginner.html


Start with these. I am.



I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.

Just get into a daily routine and you'll do fine. :-)



Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

You don't need drugs to help you lose weight.


(Do people still do the ECA thing? Does that work well?)

Ask the ppl who died from it.....didn't work for them.



By the weigh, I gotta do something. I have diabetes and fat deposits in my
liver, and I need to lose about a hundred pounds to once again be slim and
healthy.

Well I think if Atkins worked welll for you then it should work well
for you again.
Try it for 2 weeks then assess yourself and go from there.

And again...congrats on quitting smoking. :-)

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce back
bigger than before!)

OK - sorry to be harsh here- but you obviously don't have the "tons of
knowledge about calories, carbs, fats and all that crap..." If you
did - you wouldn't be where you are today.

If atkins worked for you before, there's no reason it won't work for
you again. But, obviously if you've done this before and failed -
then you didn't learn a damned thing.

Calories in vs. calories out. Plain and simple.

What happens is - you seem to be taking the "diet" approach - stay
good enough for long enough to lose the weight - then go back to your
old eating habits. You'll continue to be fat and yoyo until you
realize that its your old eating habits that are making you fat. You
have to get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones.

You cannot eat the volume, quantity and quality of food you have been
eating. You must change those values.

Bottom line - your eating habits are making you fat. You must make a
permanent change.


Anyway, I quit smoking almost six months ago. If I can do that, I can loose
weight too, damn it! Somebody please recommend a book or a web page or
something, please. I seem to do well at things when I get onto a program.
Also, if there are any drugs out there I can take, I can at least ask my
doctor for a prescription.

There is no magic pill, and certainly if you are having health
problems because of your weight - it is not recommended to take any
dietary aids, as they can have severe adverse health affects. If you
are willing to go to your doc to ask for a prescription - I suggest
you go to your doc and ask for help. As for a nutritionist,
dietician. If you want to spend money on losing weight - then the
Dietician/Nutritionist way is the best way.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:19:21 GMT, (Jayjay) wrote:


Calories in vs. calories out. Plain and simple.

Bottom line - your eating habits are making you fat. You must make a
permanent change.

Above are two of the most profound statements you will ever read. And
it's so true. Nothing will ever work if we don't change our eating
habits.

BabyJane Hudson

"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:25:57 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:

And even worse, I have a ton of knowledge about calories, carbs, fat and
all
that crap yet I have no idea where to start. For what its worth, I'm an
Atkins drop-out. (I did well on that diet for a while, even better than
that
low cal diet I did a few years ago. Every time I bounce back, I bounce
back
bigger than before!)

OK - sorry to be harsh here- but you obviously don't have the "tons of
knowledge about calories, carbs, fats and all that crap..." If you
did - you wouldn't be where you are today.

There is technical knowledge, common sense and wisdom. We all know that
common sense has been evenly distributed throughout the population because
everyone says they have it.


If atkins worked for you before, there's no reason it won't work for
you again. But, obviously if you've done this before and failed -
then you didn't learn a damned thing.

Thank you! Actually, that means a lot.


Calories in vs. calories out. Plain and simple.

Really? Then how did you get here? Are you a fat person who just figured
this out, or a skinny person here to "help" fat people?

What happens is - you seem to be taking the "diet" approach - stay
good enough for long enough to lose the weight - then go back to your
old eating habits. You'll continue to be fat and yoyo until you
realize that its your old eating habits that are making you fat. You
have to get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones.

I don't know where you're coming from. You caught my attention from the
start, but you're losing me here.

You can apply your logic to quitting smoking. "You will continue to smoke
until you don't smoke any more cigarettes." But the fact is, things are not
so simple. It took me twelve years to quit smoking from the first time I put
on a patch. Now I've quit for good. This last time around, I had to take a
pretty hard look at myself and the situation, the reasons I was smoking, the
reasons I wanted to quit. I had to look ahead towards the difficult
situations I would face and how I would handle them. I did about six weeks
worth of research before I quit smoking. What made the difference, I think,
was mental preparation and mental preparedness. I believe my food addiction,
or eating problem, or metabolic challenge, or whatever you call it, is as
bad or worse than my addiction to cigarettes. I can win this battle, I know,
but not with "calories in vs. calories out" clichés.

Its easy to say, "Get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones."
What new habits? For example, I wake up about six times a night and hit the
goddamn fridge. What am I supposed to do at 4:30AM? What new habit do I
throw in there?

Mike

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:



I don't know where you're coming from. You caught my attention from the
start, but you're losing me here.

Obviously, from your response - you are not ready to lose weight.
Sorry, this group is not about magic pills and quick fixes. Its also
not always about "oh, it'll be ok, the weight will come off" hugs and
love.

Get over yourself and your attitude and change your mindset. Then
maybe you will find the help you need in here.


You can apply your logic to quitting smoking. "You will continue to smoke
until you don't smoke any more cigarettes." But the fact is, things are not
so simple. It took me twelve years to quit smoking from the first time I put
on a patch. Now I've quit for good. This last time around, I had to take a
pretty hard look at myself and the situation, the reasons I was smoking, the
reasons I wanted to quit. I had to look ahead towards the difficult
situations I would face and how I would handle them. I did about six weeks
worth of research before I quit smoking. What made the difference, I think,
was mental preparation and mental preparedness. I believe my food addiction,
or eating problem, or metabolic challenge, or whatever you call it, is as
bad or worse than my addiction to cigarettes. I can win this battle, I know,
but not with "calories in vs. calories out" clichés.

Its not a cliche, buddy, its basic physics of the human body. Eat
more than your body needs - you gain weight. Eat less than your body
needs, you lose weight. Plain and simple.


Its easy to say, "Get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones."
What new habits? For example, I wake up about six times a night and hit the
goddamn fridge. What am I supposed to do at 4:30AM? What new habit do I
throw in there?

Gee, when I wake at 4:30am, I head to the gym for a workout. Exercise
it good. Not only that - the increased exercise really helps my
sleeping habits and I don't wake at night. It's a win/win situation.

"Jayjay" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:00:06 -0800, "Mike Turco"
wrote:



I don't know where you're coming from. You caught my attention from the
start, but you're losing me here.

Obviously, from your response - you are not ready to lose weight.
Sorry, this group is not about magic pills and quick fixes. Its also
not always about "oh, it'll be ok, the weight will come off" hugs and
love.

Get over yourself and your attitude and change your mindset. Then
maybe you will find the help you need in here.

I ask, again, are you fat or skinny?

On 10/27/2003 12:00 PM, Mike Turco wrote:

Its easy to say, "Get rid of the old habits and replace them with new ones."
What new habits? For example, I wake up about six times a night and hit the
goddamn fridge. What am I supposed to do at 4:30AM? What new habit do I
throw in there?

Not go to the fridge or go to the fridge and drink water. Post on a
newsgroup. Do you e-mail. Read a book.


--
jmk in NC