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From: "Julianne"

I would kill to be 6'0"!

Hehe.....I've been this tall since I was 13 years old. I loved it then and
still do now. I work in a sort of law enforcement job - and no-one dares mess
with me

Plus, I bet you have never gotten so frustrated that you
systematically went through your home with serious hardware and lowered all
the cabinets.

No - but whenever I go to my parent's house washing up at their sink gives me
backache - it's so low!

I imagine it requires more for a taller person to
really appreciate the difference.

Oh yes - I think it's one of the excuses I used all these years - well, I'm
tall....I carry it better......NOT any more.

However, by week three, you get to really
feel excited about it and an hour or so here and there can make a tremendous
difference in your day.

Week three.....ok.....I'll let you know....


I love photography. Alas, I am not very good but would love to see your
pics if you have any posted online!

I haven't posted any on the web yet. I'm not very techhie so don't hold your
breath Maybe this course will teach me that too.

Regards

Cellach

If the book isn't complete then stop this right now because
you could be doing more harm than good.

Start an exercise program if you haven't already and get a
referral from your doctor to a registered dietitian or
state-licensed nutritionist.

Cellach wrote:

From: (janice)

I was interested in how you managed to get the books without going to
a class. I read up all I could about the programme, including sending
for some books and buying the magazines, but as far as I'm aware the
full list of free foods and healthy extras was only available to buy
at a class, which is really why I joined.

Yes - that was one of my questions! I'm having trouble figuring out exactly
what I can count as a Healthy Extra e.g. does Special K count? Does Raisin
Bran? Can I use a grilled chicken breast as a HE on Green days?

I bought the books from their telephone order line after reading one of the
magazines, but I haven't been able to find a book of HEs anywhere. Currently I
kind of guess......which is going to be a bad thing in the long run.

I'm not really a slimming club type of person, and have found I can
lose just as well on my own. I only intended to go to one or two SW
classes, but I went for about 20 weeks and have lost 25 lbs in that
time. I've very recently decided to stop going to classes for the
time being, but to carry on with the programme.

Yeah, I'm not much of a club person either. There are several classes near
where I live, but I'm not sure yet about checking them out. Maybe if I have
trouble with this plan I'll go along to find out if I'm doing anything wrong.
Currently. it's so easy to eat less than I was eating I think I could be doing
any of twenty WOEs and still lose

Cellach

Hi Cellach

On 26 Sep 2003 19:22:25 GMT, pamgone (Cellach) wrote:

Yes - that was one of my questions! I'm having trouble figuring out exactly
what I can count as a Healthy Extra e.g. does Special K count? Does Raisin
Bran? Can I use a grilled chicken breast as a HE on Green days?

I bought the books from their telephone order line after reading one of the
magazines, but I haven't been able to find a book of HEs anywhere. Currently I
kind of guess......which is going to be a bad thing in the long run.

I don't think they sell the book that gives the actual food optimising
programme anywhere. I'm pretty sure you can't get this info without
going to a class (or, signing up for their postal membership - see
their website).

The lists of healthy extras are quite long and these have to be eaten
in the quantities specified - e.g. you can have 42g of All Bran but
less of some other cereals, and yet others don't count as HEs at all.
Briefly, the idea is that on red days you have some "green day" foods
in measured quantities, and vice versa. You can have 3 healthy extras
a day, one is based on calcium intake - milk, cheese, etc. and 2 are
things like bread, breakfast cereals etc (both days) or fish, meat
etc. on green days and carbs on red days.

To answer your specific questions, I can't see Special K or raisin
bran on the list of HEs. 113g of chicken equals 1 HE on a green day.

Each day consists of unlimited free foods, 3 healthy extras, and a
number of "sins" every day (we were told to have no more than 10 of
these). Like most programmes, it's based on calories, but the number
of calories you could consume if you went for all the free foods
doesn't quite make sense to me. However, it seems to work and I've
lost consistently at 1lb per week, after a faster loss in the first 2
weeks, although as I said before 1 lb a week is a bit slower than I'm
used to.



Yeah, I'm not much of a club person either. There are several classes near
where I live, but I'm not sure yet about checking them out. Maybe if I have
trouble with this plan I'll go along to find out if I'm doing anything wrong.
Currently. it's so easy to eat less than I was eating I think I could be doing
any of twenty WOEs and still lose

I think your last sentence says it all. There's nothing magic about
any particular WOE, but sometimes I find a change to a new WOE can
inject a bit of novelty and renew flagging motivation. Why not carry
on as you are, and go to a class if you find it's not working as well
as you'd hoped. There's no doubt it's a pretty healthy way of eating,
it's based on satiety as I'm sure you know, and I've been able to
throw out my fibre supplements!

Keep posting here and let us know how it goes.

janice
233/161/133

Patricia, I think this is unnecessarily alarmist. Knowing the
programme in question I think it's extremely unlikely that anyone
could do themselves harm. The amount of information available
publicly is enough to at least structure onesself a healthy eating
programme, and one that is going to be a whole lot better than eating
badly would be.

I hope someone here finds your contributions helpful. I'm sorry to
say I don't.

janice
233/161/133

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:05:23 -0400, Patricia Heil
wrote:

If the book isn't complete then stop this right now because
you could be doing more harm than good.

Start an exercise program if you haven't already and get a
referral from your doctor to a registered dietitian or
state-licensed nutritionist.

From: Patricia Heil

If the book isn't complete then stop this right now because
you could be doing more harm than good.

Patricia - thanks for that, I appreciate the advice. However, the HE thing is
such a small part of the program that it isn't really important - the main part
is lower fat, healthier choices and it makes such sense that it would be a
shame to give it up.

I can continue with the WOE without that information - in fact it will make my
choices better because I will have to make more careful note of some types of
food - I don't have to count many things with it, but this is one of them.

Regards

Cellach

From: (janice

I don't think they sell the book that gives the actual food optimising
programme anywhere. I'm pretty sure you can't get this info without
going to a class (or, signing up for their postal membership - see
their website).

A couple of the books that I bought have the basic programme in and some
recipies that calculate HEs....e.g. on a green day count the chicken as X
number of sins unless you use it as a HE - so that is what I'm working on at
the moment.

The lists of healthy extras are quite long and these have to be eaten
in the quantities specified - e.g. you can have 42g of All Bran but
less of some other cereals, and yet others don't count as HEs at all.

Ah - thanks - that is what I was looking for. Maybe I will have to go along to
one class, get that list and run for the hills!!

Like most programmes, it's based on calories, but the number
of calories you could consume if you went for all the free foods
doesn't quite make sense to me.

Yes I agree - but I'm finding one of the good things about it is if I choose to
eat pasta (with fat free or very low fat sauces - salsa is my favourite
currently) the fact that I can have more pasta *if* I want is sometimes enough
to make me not want it. It seems to be a bit of a safety net - there's always
"free" food that you can eat if you want to. And the "free" food is normally
low calorie and so not likely to make you overindulge - I mean, it's goign to
take a lot of raw carrot (which I love) to make me put on any weight.

Thanks for taking the time to answer

Regards

Cellach

"Cellach" wrote in message
...
I just wanted to start posting in order to make myself accountable to a
few
other people! I aim to post once a week with my weight - I'm not on line
enough
to be able to post my food daily like I see a few here do. I'm following
what I
aim to make my WOL - "Slimming World Food Optimising" which I've also seen
referred to here (Hi Janice!). So far so good...8lbs gone.

Thank you all for the advice I've gathered over the past few months - even
if
it's not what I want to do it's been useful to see you all talk about what
works for you.

Cellach (who is off to her evening class in digital photography and plans
to
walk the mile and a half there and back - got to start somewhere, huh?)
274/266/224(mini goal)

Welcome! Accountability is one of the components of the program that I'm on
which includes attending a weekly class. It makes it harder to slip back
into bad habits.

Hope you enjoyed your walk to class! That's a wonderful way to start
increasing your physical activity - another important component of success.
Making simple changes like walking instead of driving really do make a
difference over the course of time.

Good luck with whatever plan works for you and welcome again.

Jenn
300/150/140

"Cellach" wrote in message
...
I'm not missing anything at the moment - give it time, I guess. I even
gave up
alcohol for the most part when I started this. Didn't need to, I just
thought
it would be easier.

Even though the calories in alcohol won't necessarily defeat the purpose of
a diet, it does make it difficult to resist temptations after a few drinks.
I don't plan to go back to my old drinking habits, maybe an occasional glass
of wine or bubbly in celebratory moments. It would guarantee that I put the
weight back on in a hurry.

Jenn
300/150/140

From: "Jennifer Austin"

Even though the calories in alcohol won't necessarily defeat the purpose of
a diet, it does make it difficult to resist temptations after a few drinks.
I don't plan to go back to my old drinking habits, maybe an occasional glass
of wine or bubbly in celebratory moments. It would guarantee that I put the
weight back on in a hurry.

Jenn
300/150/140

Couldn't agree more Jenn. The plan I am following says nothing is forbidden -
as long as you figure it into the allowable tolerances. So I *could* drink
alcohol. But I find when have one glass of wine I'd quite like another - and
that leads down a slippery path to nibbles, pizza and icecream So I have
just stopped drinking for a while.

During the short time I've been on the plan I have had one drink - well
actually, it was 5 over a whole night out...but it was a trip with my fishing
club and I planned them into the allowance. I enjoyed them immensely (always
have fun with my boys on the fishing trips!) and I didn't get a hangover. But I
haven't had alcohol since, and I'm not missing it.

Regards

Cellach
(who looks at Jenn's figures with total awe! Way to go!)

"Cellach" wrote in message
...
From: "Jennifer Austin"
Couldn't agree more Jenn. The plan I am following says nothing is
forbidden -
as long as you figure it into the allowable tolerances. So I *could* drink
alcohol. But I find when have one glass of wine I'd quite like another -
and
that leads down a slippery path to nibbles, pizza and icecream So I
have
just stopped drinking for a while.

During the short time I've been on the plan I have had one drink - well
actually, it was 5 over a whole night out...but it was a trip with my
fishing
club and I planned them into the allowance. I enjoyed them immensely
(always
have fun with my boys on the fishing trips!) and I didn't get a hangover.
But I
haven't had alcohol since, and I'm not missing it.

Regards

Cellach
(who looks at Jenn's figures with total awe! Way to go!)

I love fishing! Feed a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to
fish and he will sit in a boat all day and drink beer.

Jenn