Indian/asian higher carb diets

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:33:37 GMT, Skinny wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:33:31 GMT, Robert Klute wrote:

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:05:37 -0500, "marengo" marengo@ cox.net wrote:


India has one of the highest rates of heart attacks in the world.
/snip/

To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

That might be a good data point, if the groups were also comparable in
education / occupation / city vs rural / etc. Do you have a cite for it?

However there would be a correlation to religion which might introduce other
factors. Iirc some Indians speak of 'pure vegetarians' who also avoid wine
and garlic and other non-meat items.

Also, does it distinguish diagnosed and treated 'heart attacks' from 'deaths
attributed to heart failure'? A while back there was quite a flap about
French wine allegedly being healthier than US wine, but it was later said
that US doctors use 'heart failure' as a catchall default when writing death
certificates, and French doctors don't.

I had read the bit about non-vegetarian Indians in an Indian newspaper
in early November. I didn't keep a copy of it. I did find the
following article, but it is not the one I remember. Sorry about the
length of the URL, but I was unable to pull it up on the Times of India
website so I had to reference the Yahoo cached copy.

On cardiovascular disease and the Indian diet:
http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=...icp=1&.intl=us


On Indian obesity:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=251461
http://www.telegraphindia.com/103111...ry_2553796.asp

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:33:37 GMT, Skinny wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:33:31 GMT, Robert Klute wrote:

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:05:37 -0500, "marengo" marengo@ cox.net wrote:


India has one of the highest rates of heart attacks in the world.
/snip/

To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

That might be a good data point, if the groups were also comparable in
education / occupation / city vs rural / etc. Do you have a cite for it?

However there would be a correlation to religion which might introduce other
factors. Iirc some Indians speak of 'pure vegetarians' who also avoid wine
and garlic and other non-meat items.

Also, does it distinguish diagnosed and treated 'heart attacks' from 'deaths
attributed to heart failure'? A while back there was quite a flap about
French wine allegedly being healthier than US wine, but it was later said
that US doctors use 'heart failure' as a catchall default when writing death
certificates, and French doctors don't.

I had read the bit about non-vegetarian Indians in an Indian newspaper
in early November. I didn't keep a copy of it. I did find the
following article, but it is not the one I remember. Sorry about the
length of the URL, but I was unable to pull it up on the Times of India
website so I had to reference the Yahoo cached copy.

On cardiovascular disease and the Indian diet:
http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=...icp=1&.intl=us


On Indian obesity:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=251461
http://www.telegraphindia.com/103111...ry_2553796.asp

Wozza wrote:

I'm trying to work out why countries with rice/dhal/lentil diets
seem to have fewer obese people.

Now that their economy is booming, DO they? They had a huge
number of paupers for a very long time.

Is it
- low incomes means they don't consume many calories at all

Yes.

- vegetarian diet prevalent in India

I know plenty of fat vegitarians.

Whats the 'official line'?

The "official line" is still low fat. Doesn't matter whether the
official line is actually true.

Besides, low fat diets work for most people when there is
absolutely no choice in the matter and no obility to exit
the plan.

Wozza wrote:

I'm trying to work out why countries with rice/dhal/lentil diets
seem to have fewer obese people.

Now that their economy is booming, DO they? They had a huge
number of paupers for a very long time.

Is it
- low incomes means they don't consume many calories at all

Yes.

- vegetarian diet prevalent in India

I know plenty of fat vegitarians.

Whats the 'official line'?

The "official line" is still low fat. Doesn't matter whether the
official line is actually true.

Besides, low fat diets work for most people when there is
absolutely no choice in the matter and no obility to exit
the plan.

On 7 Jan 2005 13:38:12 -0800, Doug Freyburger wrote:

Wozza wrote:

I'm trying to work out why countries with rice/dhal/lentil diets
seem to have fewer obese people.

Now that their economy is booming, DO they? They had a huge
number of paupers for a very long time.

Is it
- low incomes means they don't consume many calories at all

Yes.

- vegetarian diet prevalent in India

I know plenty of fat vegitarians.

Whats the 'official line'?

The "official line" is still low fat. Doesn't matter whether the
official line is actually true.

Besides, low fat diets work for most people when there is
absolutely no choice in the matter and no obility to exit
the plan.


Or if you get a lot of exercise. Low fat worked for me when I was biking
60+ miles a week, walking many miles a day, taking dance class twice a
week and tennis three times a week and lifting weights and playing
raquetball. Once I got injured and couldn't do any of that, low fat was
problematic. I still think that low carb is better, overall, as the
insulin response/blood sugar control is a heck of a lot better on low carb.

--
Bob in CT

curt wrote:
Yeah they are probably gaining weight over there because they are sitting in
front of computers more now. They have a huge business with computer
trouble shooting for some very big US based companies. Just call Dell
support and you will be talking to India.

As with anything, everyone thinks it is the food people eat. That is BS, it
has much more to do with sitting on your can all day.

Curt


"Robert Klute" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:05:37 -0500, "marengo" marengo@ cox.net wrote:


India has one of the highest rates of heart attacks in the world. I
personally know a man from India who is a strict vegetarian who had to

have

quadruple pass surgery in his 40's. The Indian cuisine is the worst

possible

combination of sugars, starches and greasy fried foods.

To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

If you have ever been to India you will have noticed that, once you
eliminate the substance diet under-class, India has a worse obesity
problem than the US.



But the computer business boom just applies really to one small part of
India.

Robert Klute wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:42:14 +0700, Xtile wrote:


curt wrote:

Yeah they are probably gaining weight over there because they are sitting in
front of computers more now. They have a huge business with computer
trouble shooting for some very big US based companies. Just call Dell
support and you will be talking to India.



"Robert Klute" wrote in message
...


To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

If you have ever been to India you will have noticed that, once you
eliminate the substance diet under-class, India has a worse obesity
problem than the US.

But the computer business boom just applies really to one small part of
India.


The computer software business and the call center business affect all
of India, but you are right in the sense that 3 locations - Chennai
(Madras), Bangalore, and Hyderabad - are the most well known.

Also a number of obesity/cholesterol/diabetes/metabolic-syndrome studies
pre-date the post-dot-bomb rise of India. So, the problem has been
there for a while.

Thanks for the details, I knew I had read about those areas. I
personally know many Indians, mostly from S. India. Many of them do
seem to have weight problems, and do eat lots of carbs. Plus the middle
class families are eating much more junk too (chips, pizza, etc.).

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:42:14 +0700, Xtile wrote:

curt wrote:
Yeah they are probably gaining weight over there because they are sitting in
front of computers more now. They have a huge business with computer
trouble shooting for some very big US based companies. Just call Dell
support and you will be talking to India.


"Robert Klute" wrote in message
...


To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

If you have ever been to India you will have noticed that, once you
eliminate the substance diet under-class, India has a worse obesity
problem than the US.

But the computer business boom just applies really to one small part of
India.

The computer software business and the call center business affect all
of India, but you are right in the sense that 3 locations - Chennai
(Madras), Bangalore, and Hyderabad - are the most well known.

Also a number of obesity/cholesterol/diabetes/metabolic-syndrome studies
pre-date the post-dot-bomb rise of India. So, the problem has been
there for a while.

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:42:14 +0700, Xtile wrote:

curt wrote:
Yeah they are probably gaining weight over there because they are sitting in
front of computers more now. They have a huge business with computer
trouble shooting for some very big US based companies. Just call Dell
support and you will be talking to India.


"Robert Klute" wrote in message
...


To refine it further, vegetarian Indians have a higher rate than
non-vegetarian Indians.

If you have ever been to India you will have noticed that, once you
eliminate the substance diet under-class, India has a worse obesity
problem than the US.

But the computer business boom just applies really to one small part of
India.

The computer software business and the call center business affect all
of India, but you are right in the sense that 3 locations - Chennai
(Madras), Bangalore, and Hyderabad - are the most well known.

Also a number of obesity/cholesterol/diabetes/metabolic-syndrome studies
pre-date the post-dot-bomb rise of India. So, the problem has been
there for a while.