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LCer09 wrote:
Sorry, but those don't sound all that bad to me. You wouldn't suggest giving a child low-fat milk would you? My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. -- Debbie |
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camilla wrote:
| WOW Thank you all for the repliees. I am not real sure how I can | possibly respond to all the posts. | I feeel like I should have given a little more information. My | daughter is 4'6 and she weighs 101 pounds. Maybe she is more | overweight than I said before. Maybe less. I only guessed on how | much. She is nt as active as she needs to be. We are working on | that. She just learned (July 4) to ride her bike without the training | wheels! We are now walking the dogs on a leash instead of | letting them out the back door to run in the yard. We spend more time | in the pool SWIMMING instead of floating on floatation devices. We | really are trying! | Why is my daughter so fat? Hhhmmm only one answer to that. Wrong | food choices such as buffalo chicken wings, cheeseburgers, shrimp, | pasta, and her whole milk, These are all her favorites. She does | over eat, and has been inactive for to long. Do I feel guilty? Of | course! Do I feel like a bad mom? NO! I love my children and I try | hard to be a great mom. | Thanks again for all the information and your thoughts and advice. | Some replies were wonderful and helpful and others were a little harsh | but I appreciate them all the same. This was a difficult decision for | us to make but our daughter is happy about it and I am thrilled about | that. Camilla, I really hope my comments didn't offend; I'm sorry if I was too direct. What I didn't say is, this issue hit a bit too close to home for me. My sister's 11-year old boy was normal height/weight until a year or so ago, when he began to gain rapidly. He is extremely obese for his age and height now. It's so frustrating to me to watch what she is doing to him. The child has his own cupboard this is stocked with every kind of candy, cookies, snacks, hips, cakes, etc. --- whatever he wants or points to when they are grocery shopping, He helps himself whenever he wants. The only cereal is frosted or chocolate this or that. He also gives her a menu for every meal, and she fixes exactly whatever he wants. Usually it's macaroni and cheese out of a box or something like that, followed by more junk food. He gets no exercise and rarely goes outdoors. I could go on an on, but you get the idea. When I've tried to gently suggest that he eat healthier foods, she takes it personally and goes into a rage. She says she is not going to "deprive" him of what he likes, and that he'll outgrow it. She claims her doctor says his weight gain is just a "stage" and that he'll ougrow it, although I would be a years salary that she doesn't tell him the whole situation. I'm very upset because the child is at an age where he's nearing puberty and unfortunately his weight -- as many of us know -- will not make him very popular. He has very few friends now, and he is proabably made fun of in school because of his weight. I have my own theory. My sister herself is very overweight as well as diabetic but continues to eat whatever and whenever she wants. I think that she actually wants the child to be fat so that he will depend on her for his friendship as well as for all his other emptional support so that she will have him to herself. (He is completely undisciplined and she calls hm i"buddy" like he's her best friend). She herself has no friends andI believe she doesn't want him to either; she wants him all to herself. Yes, it's sick. Literally. She screams at her husband and treats him like he's the child, and treats the child as if he's the husband. Yes, she need psichiatric help. But she would never acknowledget his; thinks she is doing nothing wrong. She will not even discuss the situation. Despite the fact that I love both my nephew and my sister, I find myself avoiding them because I get so stressed out over the situation every time I'm around them. I hope that you can see no why I may have over-reacted to the OP. I just have a real sore spot when it comes to parents not just ignoring -- but actually abetting -- obesity in their children. It certainly wasn't fair of me to imply that you might do the same; every one and every situation is different. I was also reacting to Carolyn's statement that it is "child abuse" to feed an obese child a low-carb diet. You can understand why I feel exactly the opposite. Consider this Camilla , and please accept my apology for my not-too-nice post in your thread. Peter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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camilla wrote:
| WOW Thank you all for the repliees. I am not real sure how I can | possibly respond to all the posts. | I feeel like I should have given a little more information. My | daughter is 4'6 and she weighs 101 pounds. Maybe she is more | overweight than I said before. Maybe less. I only guessed on how | much. She is nt as active as she needs to be. We are working on | that. She just learned (July 4) to ride her bike without the training | wheels! We are now walking the dogs on a leash instead of | letting them out the back door to run in the yard. We spend more time | in the pool SWIMMING instead of floating on floatation devices. We | really are trying! | Why is my daughter so fat? Hhhmmm only one answer to that. Wrong | food choices such as buffalo chicken wings, cheeseburgers, shrimp, | pasta, and her whole milk, These are all her favorites. She does | over eat, and has been inactive for to long. Do I feel guilty? Of | course! Do I feel like a bad mom? NO! I love my children and I try | hard to be a great mom. | Thanks again for all the information and your thoughts and advice. | Some replies were wonderful and helpful and others were a little harsh | but I appreciate them all the same. This was a difficult decision for | us to make but our daughter is happy about it and I am thrilled about | that. Camilla, I really hope my comments didn't offend; I'm sorry if I was too direct. What I didn't say is, this issue hit a bit too close to home for me. My sister's 11-year old boy was normal height/weight until a year or so ago, when he began to gain rapidly. He is extremely obese for his age and height now. It's so frustrating to me to watch what she is doing to him. The child has his own cupboard this is stocked with every kind of candy, cookies, snacks, hips, cakes, etc. --- whatever he wants or points to when they are grocery shopping, He helps himself whenever he wants. The only cereal is frosted or chocolate this or that. He also gives her a menu for every meal, and she fixes exactly whatever he wants. Usually it's macaroni and cheese out of a box or something like that, followed by more junk food. He gets no exercise and rarely goes outdoors. I could go on an on, but you get the idea. When I've tried to gently suggest that he eat healthier foods, she takes it personally and goes into a rage. She says she is not going to "deprive" him of what he likes, and that he'll outgrow it. She claims her doctor says his weight gain is just a "stage" and that he'll ougrow it, although I would be a years salary that she doesn't tell him the whole situation. I'm very upset because the child is at an age where he's nearing puberty and unfortunately his weight -- as many of us know -- will not make him very popular. He has very few friends now, and he is proabably made fun of in school because of his weight. I have my own theory. My sister herself is very overweight as well as diabetic but continues to eat whatever and whenever she wants. I think that she actually wants the child to be fat so that he will depend on her for his friendship as well as for all his other emptional support so that she will have him to herself. (He is completely undisciplined and she calls hm i"buddy" like he's her best friend). She herself has no friends andI believe she doesn't want him to either; she wants him all to herself. Yes, it's sick. Literally. She screams at her husband and treats him like he's the child, and treats the child as if he's the husband. Yes, she need psichiatric help. But she would never acknowledget his; thinks she is doing nothing wrong. She will not even discuss the situation. Despite the fact that I love both my nephew and my sister, I find myself avoiding them because I get so stressed out over the situation every time I'm around them. I hope that you can see no why I may have over-reacted to the OP. I just have a real sore spot when it comes to parents not just ignoring -- but actually abetting -- obesity in their children. It certainly wasn't fair of me to imply that you might do the same; every one and every situation is different. I was also reacting to Carolyn's statement that it is "child abuse" to feed an obese child a low-carb diet. You can understand why I feel exactly the opposite. Consider this Camilla , and please accept my apology for my not-too-nice post in your thread. Peter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
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This is all fine and dandy, but at 4'6" and 101 lbs, she is at normal weight, according to adult standard. She's not an adult. No breasts, no hips, etc. She's a child. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5'7" 265/186/140 & hubby- 6' 310/199/180 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos |
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"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message
... LCer09 wrote: Sorry, but those don't sound all that bad to me. You wouldn't suggest giving a child low-fat milk would you? My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. -- Debbie Rubbish - more than half of the calories in breast milk come from fat. A baby needs to grow fast and fat is the best and densest way of getting the required energy as they can only take so much volume. Maybe your doc was talking about colostrum - the foremilk, meant to quench the babies thirst before the hindmilk comes through. However the hindmilk is where the babies main nutition comes from. According to nutitionists, no child should be given reduced fat cows milk until they are at least 2 years of age and even then I think switching to reduced fat is unnecessary. Julie |
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Julie T wrote:
"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. Rubbish - more than half of the calories in breast milk come from fat. Well, not utter rubbish as far as I've been able to google up. For example at: http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/-583729150.htm it says: "Fat content in human breast milk is variable during the feed. Initially the fat content of human milk is low and this rises to about 3% by the end of the feed." so it seem that my doctor was correct when he said that whole cow's milk, which averages about 3.5% fat, has more fat than human breast milk. Back in those pre-home-computer days I essentially just took his word for it, and 2% milk does seem to be a fair average for the percentage of fat in breast milk, since, interestingly enough. it starts out low and then rises up to 3% by the end of the feed, but never reaches the fat content of whole cow's milk, which would be uniform throughout, not just at the end of the feed. Another one of the web sites I saw suggested that this rise to 3% fat at the end of the feed was a way to induce a sense of satiety in the infant, which the lower fat milk earlier on did not do, to trigger the end of the feeding. Based on what I've been reading the charge of "rubbish" seems a bit harsh and over the top. But back in 1979 I had no easy way to research the composition of breast milk, or reason to doubt my doctor. I stopped breastfeeding my son when he was 10 months old, and then switched him to 2% milk. He is now 25 and in law school, and drinking 2% milk certainly does not seem to have hurt him any. :-) -- Debbie |
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Julie T wrote:
"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. Rubbish - more than half of the calories in breast milk come from fat. Well, not utter rubbish as far as I've been able to google up. For example at: http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/-583729150.htm it says: "Fat content in human breast milk is variable during the feed. Initially the fat content of human milk is low and this rises to about 3% by the end of the feed." so it seem that my doctor was correct when he said that whole cow's milk, which averages about 3.5% fat, has more fat than human breast milk. Back in those pre-home-computer days I essentially just took his word for it, and 2% milk does seem to be a fair average for the percentage of fat in breast milk, since, interestingly enough. it starts out low and then rises up to 3% by the end of the feed, but never reaches the fat content of whole cow's milk, which would be uniform throughout, not just at the end of the feed. Another one of the web sites I saw suggested that this rise to 3% fat at the end of the feed was a way to induce a sense of satiety in the infant, which the lower fat milk earlier on did not do, to trigger the end of the feeding. Based on what I've been reading the charge of "rubbish" seems a bit harsh and over the top. But back in 1979 I had no easy way to research the composition of breast milk, or reason to doubt my doctor. I stopped breastfeeding my son when he was 10 months old, and then switched him to 2% milk. He is now 25 and in law school, and drinking 2% milk certainly does not seem to have hurt him any. :-) -- Debbie |
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"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message ... Julie T wrote: "Debbie Cusick" wrote in message My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. Rubbish - more than half of the calories in breast milk come from fat. Well, not utter rubbish as far as I've been able to google up. For example at: http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/-583729150.htm it says: "Fat content in human breast milk is variable during the feed. Initially the fat content of human milk is low and this rises to about 3% by the end of the feed." Breast milk composition. From he http://www.breastfeedingbasics.org/c...om_mature.html Mature milk is produced from approximately ten days after delivery up until the termination of the breastfeeding. Mature milk contains: 1.. Energy (750 kcal / liter) 2.. Lipids (38 g / liter) - The main lipids found in human breast milk are the triacyl-glycerols, phospholipids, and fatty acids including essential fatty acids. Maternal diet does not affect the amount of fat in milk but does affect the types of fat. Cholesterol is present in breast milk. 3.. Casein (2.5 g / liter) - protein - Casein or curds are proteins with low solubility which complex with calcium. These are present in breast milk in much lower concentration than in cow's milk. 4.. Whey (6.4 g / liter) - protein - the whey proteins are located in the clear liquid left behind when clotted milk stands. The largest components are alpha-lactalbumen, lactoferrin, lyzozyme, albumen and immunoglobulins. 5.. Nonprotein Nitrogen is used in amino acid synthesis and includes the nitrogen in urea, creatine, creatinine, uric acid and ammonia. Peptides, such as epidermal growth factor, somatomedin - C and insulin are also present in this fraction. Nucleotides such as cytidine monophosphate are derived from nucleic acids and play an important role in the immune system and protein synthesis. 6.. Lactose (70 g / liter) carbohydrate - Lactose is the major carbohydrate in breast milk. It is composed of galactose and glucose. Lactose concentration in breast milk increases over the duration of breastfeeding. The amount of all of these substances (except lactose) varies with the time of day of the breast milk production, the woman producing the breast milk, and whether it is at the beginning or the end of the feeding. Fats and lipids are particularly high at the end of the feeding (hind milk) So, of 750 calories per litre, over 300 of them come from the various lipids - no way is that less than 40% fat. And this is an average over the whole feed. Maybe the problem here is that you are including the water content in your calculations and I am counting only the nutritional parts? Julie |
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"Debbie Cusick" wrote in message ... Julie T wrote: "Debbie Cusick" wrote in message My son's pediatrician recommended low-fat milk when my son was little. He said you definitely don't want to give your kids skim milk, but that the 1% or 2% milk is far closer to the fat composition of human breast milk. Rubbish - more than half of the calories in breast milk come from fat. Well, not utter rubbish as far as I've been able to google up. For example at: http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/-583729150.htm it says: "Fat content in human breast milk is variable during the feed. Initially the fat content of human milk is low and this rises to about 3% by the end of the feed." Breast milk composition. From he http://www.breastfeedingbasics.org/c...om_mature.html Mature milk is produced from approximately ten days after delivery up until the termination of the breastfeeding. Mature milk contains: 1.. Energy (750 kcal / liter) 2.. Lipids (38 g / liter) - The main lipids found in human breast milk are the triacyl-glycerols, phospholipids, and fatty acids including essential fatty acids. Maternal diet does not affect the amount of fat in milk but does affect the types of fat. Cholesterol is present in breast milk. 3.. Casein (2.5 g / liter) - protein - Casein or curds are proteins with low solubility which complex with calcium. These are present in breast milk in much lower concentration than in cow's milk. 4.. Whey (6.4 g / liter) - protein - the whey proteins are located in the clear liquid left behind when clotted milk stands. The largest components are alpha-lactalbumen, lactoferrin, lyzozyme, albumen and immunoglobulins. 5.. Nonprotein Nitrogen is used in amino acid synthesis and includes the nitrogen in urea, creatine, creatinine, uric acid and ammonia. Peptides, such as epidermal growth factor, somatomedin - C and insulin are also present in this fraction. Nucleotides such as cytidine monophosphate are derived from nucleic acids and play an important role in the immune system and protein synthesis. 6.. Lactose (70 g / liter) carbohydrate - Lactose is the major carbohydrate in breast milk. It is composed of galactose and glucose. Lactose concentration in breast milk increases over the duration of breastfeeding. The amount of all of these substances (except lactose) varies with the time of day of the breast milk production, the woman producing the breast milk, and whether it is at the beginning or the end of the feeding. Fats and lipids are particularly high at the end of the feeding (hind milk) So, of 750 calories per litre, over 300 of them come from the various lipids - no way is that less than 40% fat. And this is an average over the whole feed. Maybe the problem here is that you are including the water content in your calculations and I am counting only the nutritional parts? Julie |
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Julie T wrote:
Maybe the problem here is that you are including the water content in your calculations and I am counting only the nutritional parts? Well I'm not sure but we surely seem to be counting different things. http://www.annecollins.com/calories/calories-milk.htm gives the caloric breakdown of different types of milk. Whole milk, which averages about 3.5% fat content, has 150 calories, and 8g of fat, so roughly 72 of those 150 calories, or 48% of the calories, come from fat. 2% milk has 120 calories a cup, and 5g of fat - so 45 calories of the 120 come from fat, or 37.5% of the calories. -- Debbie |
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