weight lifting and LC?

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:29 -0800, warehouse wrote:

Bob M wrote:

Interesting -- perhaps "dieting" does include non-dieting
meals/weeks.
I'm going to Arizona for a few days, and I hope to sustain low carb
while
I'm there. We'll have to see whether that's possible, though.


What's with Arizona and low-carb? Are there high-carb banditos waiting
to stuff your gullet at the airport?

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out? I
certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant? An
Italian restaurant? A fast food restaurant? And even if you can find
something to eat, it's typically the ONE item they have that's low carb.

Do you estimate calories on the days you're dieting but not dieting?

(Your days off) I'm going to start counting calories when I get back
from
AZ, but I've been eating out once a week. I try to eat a low
carb/low cal
appetizer, then eat only half my meal (which I try to select low
carb/salad), and this has worked out well. However, I have no clue as
to
how I would estimate my calories for that meal. I can eat inside for
a
few weeks, but when you're dating, sometimes you just have to eat at

restaurants.

--
Bob in CT

Weigh your food. Don't have a scale? Get one. Small, lightweight,
will pass Homeland Security checkpoints. Comes in a small box.

I have four (or maybe five scales), as I used to count calories. I have
both digital and non-digital. I have ones with and without bowls.

http://www.tanita.com/GramOunceScales.shtml

Yes, of course she'll complain and give you dirty looks. "How dare you
interrupt our romantic dinner! What kind of anal retentive
carb-counter have I got mixed up with?"

But Bob you're smarter than that, because when she objects, you whip
out another box just for her. Gauranteed compliance to your weighing
will be ensured for the rest of your visit.

http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/cate...=dphp1&mysid1=


Assuming you can weigh the food, how can you estimate calories? For
instance, last weekend, I had lamb stuffed with feta cheese. What was in
the feta cheese? I don't know. How much feta cheese did I eat? How much
lamb? Unless I take apart the stuffed feta and weigh the feta, then take
apart the lamb and weigh the meat, I really won't have a good estimate.
Then, there was a squash pancake made with cranberries. How do I estimate
the calories in that? Personally, I'd rather not go out for three weeks
or so to get a baseline calorie count. Then, when I do go out, I'll
follow the same practice as I am now -- not eating that much and choosing
wisely.

--
Bob in CT

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:21:11 -0500, Bob M wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:29 -0800, warehouse wrote:

Bob M wrote:

Interesting -- perhaps "dieting" does include non-dieting
meals/weeks.
I'm going to Arizona for a few days, and I hope to sustain low carb
while
I'm there. We'll have to see whether that's possible, though.


What's with Arizona and low-carb? Are there high-carb banditos waiting
to stuff your gullet at the airport?

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out? I
certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant? An
Italian restaurant? A fast food restaurant? And even if you can find
something to eat, it's typically the ONE item they have that's low carb.

Do you estimate calories on the days you're dieting but not dieting?

(Your days off) I'm going to start counting calories when I get back
from
AZ, but I've been eating out once a week. I try to eat a low
carb/low cal
appetizer, then eat only half my meal (which I try to select low
carb/salad), and this has worked out well. However, I have no clue as
to
how I would estimate my calories for that meal. I can eat inside for
a
few weeks, but when you're dating, sometimes you just have to eat at

restaurants.

--
Bob in CT

Weigh your food. Don't have a scale? Get one. Small, lightweight,
will pass Homeland Security checkpoints. Comes in a small box.

I have four (or maybe five scales), as I used to count calories. I have
both digital and non-digital. I have ones with and without bowls.

http://www.tanita.com/GramOunceScales.shtml

Yes, of course she'll complain and give you dirty looks. "How dare you
interrupt our romantic dinner! What kind of anal retentive
carb-counter have I got mixed up with?"

But Bob you're smarter than that, because when she objects, you whip
out another box just for her. Gauranteed compliance to your weighing
will be ensured for the rest of your visit.

http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/cate...=dphp1&mysid1=


Assuming you can weigh the food, how can you estimate calories? For
instance, last weekend, I had lamb stuffed with feta cheese. What was
in the feta cheese? I don't know. How much feta cheese did I eat? How
much lamb? Unless I take apart the stuffed feta and weigh the feta,
then take apart the lamb and weigh the meat, I really won't have a good
estimate. Then, there was a squash pancake made with cranberries. How
do I estimate the calories in that? Personally, I'd rather not go out
for three weeks or so to get a baseline calorie count. Then, when I do
go out, I'll follow the same practice as I am now -- not eating that
much and choosing wisely.


Not to mention that I went to one of the fast food restaurants where
they'll give you a book listing calories for foods. I was going to order
a hamburger without fries (I think they offered cauliflower "potatoes").
The hamburger was 1,100 calories! I was stunned. I believe this is
without sides, too. I had no idea a hamburger could be that many
calories. I forget what I did order, but it was a lot fewer calories.

--
Bob in CT

Bob M wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:21:11 -0500, Bob M
wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:29 -0800, warehouse
wrote:

Bob M wrote:

Interesting -- perhaps "dieting" does include non-dieting
meals/weeks.
I'm going to Arizona for a few days, and I hope to sustain low
carb
while
I'm there. We'll have to see whether that's possible, though.


What's with Arizona and low-carb? Are there high-carb banditos
waiting
to stuff your gullet at the airport?

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out? I

certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant?
An
Italian restaurant? A fast food restaurant? And even if you can
find
something to eat, it's typically the ONE item they have that's low
carb.

Do you estimate calories on the days you're dieting but not
dieting?

(Your days off) I'm going to start counting calories when I get
back
from
AZ, but I've been eating out once a week. I try to eat a low
carb/low cal
appetizer, then eat only half my meal (which I try to select low
carb/salad), and this has worked out well. However, I have no
clue as
to
how I would estimate my calories for that meal. I can eat inside
for
a
few weeks, but when you're dating, sometimes you just have to eat
at

restaurants.

--
Bob in CT

Weigh your food. Don't have a scale? Get one. Small,
lightweight,
will pass Homeland Security checkpoints. Comes in a small box.

I have four (or maybe five scales), as I used to count calories. I
have
both digital and non-digital. I have ones with and without bowls.

http://www.tanita.com/GramOunceScales.shtml

Yes, of course she'll complain and give you dirty looks. "How dare
you
interrupt our romantic dinner! What kind of anal retentive
carb-counter have I got mixed up with?"

But Bob you're smarter than that, because when she objects, you
whip
out another box just for her. Gauranteed compliance to your
weighing
will be ensured for the rest of your visit.


http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/cate...=dphp1&mysid1=


Assuming you can weigh the food, how can you estimate calories?
For
instance, last weekend, I had lamb stuffed with feta cheese. What
was
in the feta cheese? I don't know. How much feta cheese did I eat?
How
much lamb? Unless I take apart the stuffed feta and weigh the
feta,
then take apart the lamb and weigh the meat, I really won't have a
good
estimate. Then, there was a squash pancake made with cranberries.
How
do I estimate the calories in that? Personally, I'd rather not go
out
for three weeks or so to get a baseline calorie count. Then, when
I do
go out, I'll follow the same practice as I am now -- not eating
that
much and choosing wisely.


Not to mention that I went to one of the fast food restaurants where

they'll give you a book listing calories for foods. I was going to
order
a hamburger without fries (I think they offered cauliflower
"potatoes").
The hamburger was 1,100 calories! I was stunned. I believe this is

without sides, too. I had no idea a hamburger could be that many
calories. I forget what I did order, but it was a lot fewer
calories.

--
Bob in CT


That 1100 calories is with the bun and all the other add-ons. No
profit-driven fast food restaurant is serving a 400 gram broiled
80%/20% lean/fat ground beef patty. If you have a palm pilot then you
can just download the data from he

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/srch/search.htm

Bob M wrote:
:: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:44:45 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: wrote:
::
::: Bob M wrote:
::::: On 16 Feb 2005 16:08:49 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
:::::
::::::
:::::: "Bob M" writes:
:::::::: It, and another one, were published just last week. The PSMF
:::::::: book is entitled "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook: A Scientific
:::::::: Approach to Crash Dieting". The other one is "A Guide to
:::::::: Flexible Dieting".
:::::::
::::::: Interesting -- he advocates taking a break from dieting.
::::::
:::::: No, he advocates taking a break as *part of* dieting. The idea
:::::: is that most of the diet failures are due to psychological
:::::: issues, and scheduling free meals and breaks - still healthy
:::::: food - takes care of that problem, letting most people stay on
:::::: the diet longer.
:::::
::::: This depends on how one defines "dieting." This is exactly what
::::: he says:
:::::
::::: "As with the crash diet, it is more than possible to diet for too
::::: long at a stretch and frankly, I think that most people do exactly
::::: that. Basically, they stay in diet mode forever when they'd do
::::: better, in the long run, breaking up their dieting phases. As
::::: well, and as discussed in much more detail in A Guide to Flexible
::::: Dieting (being released at the same time as this booklet),
::::: incorporating free meals, refeeds and full diet breaks still
::::: applies to more traditional/moderate dieting. The only
::::: difference, really, is that the full diet breaks don't need to
::::: come quite as often."
:::::
::::: "For the average category 1 dieter, I feel that 4-6 weeks of
::::: straight dieting is about the maximum (occasionally, 8 weeks can
::::: be acceptable). After that, a 2 week diet break should be
::::: undertaken as described in the past chapters. If further fat loss
::::: is necessary, they can move back into moderate dieting. As well,
::::: and in contrast to the PSMF, category 1 dieters should
::::: incorporate free meals once or twice a week. Structured refeeds
::::: should also be used but the details are beyond the scope of this
::::: booklet. You'll have to buy either A Guide To Flexible Dieting or
::::: my Ultimate Diet
::::: 2.0 for the details."
:::::
::::: From my perspective, if you "diet for too long" and then you
::::: "take a diet break," it appears that you're no longer dieting. I
::::: therefore stand by my original assertion.
:::
::: I'd have to disagree with you here, Bob. I frequently look at
::: dieting this
::: way - some days contribute to weight loss and others don't. During
::: the course of a week, for example, if 5 days are good weight loss
::: days and 2 are
::: maintenance days, then I still get an overall weight loss if I
::: observe over
::: a long enough period of time. Thinking like this takes the stress
::: off and
::: allows you to work in more socially normal days and/or meals. For
::: me, since
::: I date a lot and don't wish to bore my female friends with diet
::: talk & attitude, this notion helps big time. This type of thinking
::: also helps me
::: avoid eating too much, because I'm in "diet mode" even if I'm on a
::: "diet break" for that day (mostly it's for a meal, not a day, but
::: that meal might
::: end up making it for the day!). It's all a head thing, IMO. Even
::: though I
::: haven't read Lyle's two new books, his notions sound like what I
::: do...and in
::: fact, I probably got them from his other books. Moreover, I have
::: found that
::: having one free meal per week, after a hard dieting week, and still
::: seeing
::: progress on the scale is a strong motivational tool for me. It's a
::: head thang, man.
:::
:::
::
:: Interesting -- perhaps "dieting" does include non-dieting
:: meals/weeks.

These days, I'm trying my best not to do weeks...meals I can handle right
now.

I'm going to Arizona for a few days, and I hope to
:: sustain low carb while I'm there. We'll have to see whether that's
:: possible, though.

Sure it's possible. Get a grilled chicken breast and two sides of broccoli.
Sub fish (I know you only like salmon) or steak if no chicken breast. I
rarely have problems eating out these days, but there are a few family type
places that I avoid because the have a very limited menu (basically, you go
down a line and eat whatever that have made for the day). But most
mainstream places make it very easy to stay LC...

::
:: Do you estimate calories on the days you're dieting but not dieting?

I sometimes try. For example, not long ago I ate out with Kathy. I had an
8 oz sirlion and two sides of broccoli. That I entered into fitday based on
estimates. However, last night, before the concert, I had some cheeze, a
Caesar salad, and "she-crab" soup (we were in a hurry to eat before the 7:30
concert and had to order what the waiter thought would be quick). Prior to
that, I had only at 600 kcals. I probably had 3 oz of cheese. I have no
idea how many calories the she crab soup had...but I know I didn't
overeat...I can always tell that. So I didn't worry about doing fitday. I
can't be 100% perfect all the time, though I can shoot for it.

Generally, though, when I know I'm going to be out, I try not to eat before.
Fasting has given me the ability to endure the hunger better, I think. For
me, getting hungry is a sure sign that I'm doing stuff right (I'm not
talking about simply wanting to eat, though). I think fasting has helped me
tell the difference.

:: (Your days off) I'm going to start counting calories when I get
:: back from AZ, but I've been eating out once a week. I try to eat a
:: low carb/low cal appetizer, then eat only half my meal (which I try
:: to select low carb/salad), and this has worked out well.

On Friday, I'm going to Charleston. I'll have a dinner meeting with some
people with the convention center there. Since it is doubtful that I'll be
able to count that meal in terms of calories (or will want to try), I plan
to simply not eat all day and let dinner be my one meal. So, if I get 1500
kcals or so in a meal, I'm golden. If I get 2000 kcals in that one meal, I
can still lose weight, though my rate will be slowed down. I'll try to
compensate by doing 500 kcals or so of cardio in the AM on Saturday (assume
there is some gym in the hotel there). At 1500 kcal / day, I don't need to
do much cardio (I still do my weight training, however). If I'm hungry when
I wake up Saturday morn, I'll know I didn't eat too much. Counting calories
is a nice too, but if one is willing to become hungry before every meal, you
can lose weight without counting, I think.

:: However, I
:: have no clue as to how I would estimate my calories for that meal.
:: I can eat inside for a few weeks, but when you're dating, sometimes
:: you just have to eat at restaurants.

sure. But you can still lose weight, but it does get harder, I admit. Plan
for it.

"Bob M" wrote in message
news

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out? I
certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant? An


A lot of places have salads now, you don't have to eat the shell or
croutons. Even the Sonic, a drive in, has a salad with grilled meat.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

"Bob M" wrote in message
news

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out? I
certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant? An


A lot of places have salads now, you don't have to eat the shell or
croutons. Even the Sonic, a drive in, has a salad with grilled meat.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

Don't you find it harder to eat low carb when you're eating out?

No. I eat out at least a dozen times a week.

I certain do. For instance, what do you eat at a Mexican restaurant?

Carnitas, apretados (grilled shrimp wrapped in bacon), fajitas (just
ignore the tortillas and eat the grilled meat/veggies), ceviche...

An Italian restaurant?

Chicken Caesar salad. That appetizer with the mozzarella atop tomato
slices. Osso buco. Grilled fish/veggie dishes. Some have grilled
chicken and pretty good steaks.

A fast food restaurant?
Order a burger low-carb (lettuce wrapping), or at places that don't have
it just eat the burger from out of the bun - quite neat. Of course, my
idea of fast food is El Pollo Loco - four piece chicken, no sides, no
tortillas, large diet coke, for here, $8.06.

And even if you can find something to eat, it's typically the ONE item
they have that's low carb.

How many items were you planning on eating?

KeS

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...

He's probably going to have to learn from experience.
I'm not even sure what to say to that since experience goes hand in hand
with asking questions of those that have experience. Therefore, the reason
for asking the questions here.
Thanks for the responses,
Mark

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...

He's probably going to have to learn from experience.
I'm not even sure what to say to that since experience goes hand in hand
with asking questions of those that have experience. Therefore, the reason
for asking the questions here.
Thanks for the responses,
Mark

"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
. com...

HST stands for Hypertrophy Specific Training. You're not going to be very
successful with hypertrophy on a hypocaloric diet (absent some powerful
drugs), so you're better off training for strength as you reduce your
bodyfat.

Yeah, I was aware of the definition of HST, but I didn't understand the
difficulty with seeing muscle growth on an LC diet. I was figuring that as
long as I ate enough protein and had some pre-workout carbs, I would be
alright. I definately want to reduce my bodyfat, so I was hoping for a way
to see improvements in size as well. That's why I was interested in the
PSMF and TKD/CKD diets. I guess it does make more sense to focus on one
thing at a time, though. Cut, then bulk.
Thanks for clarifying,
Mark