Off Topic Seat Belt Extenders and Car Rental Agencies

so if you have a lot of debt and can't pay for it, find someone to sue and
you'll be fine? man...i never thought of that
"Courtney" wrote in message
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Yup, I'm the one who got into the car. Yes I have health insurance, but
they won't pay for anything because I was in an auto accident. I am
unable
to pay the medical bills myself. This is why I need legal representation.
I'm willing to accept partial blame for this simply because I was on the
road in the first place, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for all of it.

Courtney



"ADC" wrote in message
...
ummm...venison
"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...

"Mary Hinge" wrote in message
...
Only think is, if they'd hit and killed the deer, they could've
taken
it
home and eaten the bugger as part of their low carb diet!

(sorry, poor taste)


Actually, deer can taste rather good when cooked properly.

That's right, pain hinders healing, too.

ADC wrote:
| pain medication prescribed by a physician and taken following that
| physician's directions will not make you additcted. do not live with
| the pain.
| "Courtney" wrote in message
| .com...
|| I've just been depressed over all the medical bills and worried
|| about how they are going to get paid. It is a bit humilating when
|| you are unable to wipe your arse because you were in an auto
|| accident. Following that stupid food pyramid and listening to
|| dietitions was a mistake. I was always hungry. On Atkins I often
|| forget to eat because I'm not hungry. Once the throbbing pain stops
|| I can start exersizing again and get back to my normal routine. I
|| should be taking the prescribed pain pills, but won't do it because
|| I'm not willing to become addicted to them. I'd rather deal with
|| the pain.
||
|| Courtney
||

No, to lay it out in a nut shell. My health insurance won't cover it
because I was in an auto accident. My brothers auto insurance said they
won't cover it because we were not wearing seat belts. Following the same
"pass the buck logic" of the insurance companies leaves 1 conclusion. Sue
the car rental company. This whole thing is absurd. If I can get the
medical expenses paid I'll be happy.

Courtney


"ADC" wrote in message
...
so if you have a lot of debt and can't pay for it, find someone to sue and
you'll be fine? man...i never thought of that
"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Yup, I'm the one who got into the car. Yes I have health insurance, but
they won't pay for anything because I was in an auto accident. I am
unable
to pay the medical bills myself. This is why I need legal
representation.
I'm willing to accept partial blame for this simply because I was on the
road in the first place, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for all of
it.

Courtney



"ADC" wrote in message
...
ummm...venison
"JC Der Koenig" wrote in message
m...

"Mary Hinge" wrote in message
...
Only think is, if they'd hit and killed the deer, they could've
taken
it
home and eaten the bugger as part of their low carb diet!

(sorry, poor taste)


Actually, deer can taste rather good when cooked properly.

Tell that to the millions of people who become addicted to Oxycontin and the
lawsuits that follow. They all say the same story, "but I was only taking
them like my doctor prescribed". Don't want to go down that road.
Remember, the medical profession also used to say that Atkins was a bad
idea. Why aren't you on a low fat diet? Isn't that what most docs
prescribe? I'd rather do low carb thank you.

Courtney

"ADC" wrote in message
...
pain medication prescribed by a physician and taken following that
physician's directions will not make you additcted. do not live with the
pain.
"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
I've just been depressed over all the medical bills and worried about
how
they are going to get paid. It is a bit humilating when you are unable
to
wipe your arse because you were in an auto accident. Following that
stupid
food pyramid and listening to dietitions was a mistake. I was always
hungry. On Atkins I often forget to eat because I'm not hungry. Once
the
throbbing pain stops I can start exersizing again and get back to my
normal
routine. I should be taking the prescribed pain pills, but won't do it
because I'm not willing to become addicted to them. I'd rather deal
with
the pain.

Courtney

"Mary Hinge" wrote in message
...
Many people have medical conditions which mean they gain weight
easily,
and
you know what? Not all of them become obese.

Change your attitude and you'll change your life.

For what it's worth, I wish you a quick and full recovery and hope you
can
get your weight down to a healthy level.


"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Um, yeah. I have a medical condition that got me this big. When
Atkins
first came out I was on it as a teenager. I lost a lot of weight
and
got
into the lifestyle, but you know what the medical profession thought
of
Atkins back then, so unfortunately I listened to them. When I was
diagnosed
with insulin resistance I was encouraged to give Atkins a try I have
been
kicking myself ever since because I had the answer back in the 70's.

Courtney


"Mary Hinge" wrote in message
.. .
See, what you need to do is take responsibility for yourself for a
change
instead of expecting others to do your thinking for you, and
expecting
to
be
compensated when something goes wrong.

If you think about it, you may find that that's how you got so big
that
you
can't wear regular seat belts in the first place.



"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Last week I was in a rented car with my brother. We asked for
seat
belt
extenders, but the rental agency did not have them. Of course
the
seat
belts did not fit because of our size. We were driving to our
mothers
when
a suicidal deer jumped out in front of us. He chose to hit the
guard
rail
instead of the deer. I ended up in the emergency room, was
treated
and
released. I immediately went to see my primary care physician
and
got
appropriately treated. They missed little important things
like,
I
needed
a
personal care attendant because it hurt too much for me to do
much.
It
was
5 days before I could drive again. I've talked to several
lawyers
about
suing the car rental agency for renting a car without proper
safety
equipment for a fat person. Every time I talk with a lawyer
they
roar
in
laughter and of course don't want to take the case. It doesn't
matter
to
them that in all 50 states we are supposed to be belted when in
a
moving
car. After all, Airlines have seat belt extenders. I bet
someone
had
to
sue them before they started to provide them. Gee, I was so
messed
up
I
needed a personal care attendant to assist with personal hygene,
cooking
and
cleaning. I missed several days of appointments and the last
thing
I
need
now is to get stuck paying for a bunch of medical bills because
I
am
unable
to get a personal injuy lawyer to take my case. I'm still
dealing
with
pain
and it has been more than a week since the accident. No, I
haven't
been
staying low carb through all this with all the depression and
pain
I
haven't
exactly felt like eating much of anything. The really sad thing
is
that
I
have a valid point. When I was in Vegas the same car rental
company
did
have seat belt extenders. Had I been belted I doubt I would
have
had
any
injuries.

Courtney

I think the fact that the OP wasn't wearing a seat belt is probably why the
insurance company won't pay for it. If I remember my own policy right,
medical insurance won't cover car accidents because the auto insurance is
supposed to do that, as long as the injuries are proven to come from the
accident. I can definitely see why the auto insurance would refuse to pay
because I think they can if the injury occured while a crime was being
committed (same goes for the medical insurance). Now since seat belts are
required under law, they could feasibly use this to refuse to pay (at least,
that's what their legal department would say). Even though I personally
HATE insurance companies and think they just LOVE finding ways to not pay
for what they're supposed to, I can see the point here. Because it has been
proven that seat belts save lives, they ARE required by law and it's the
driver's/passenger's responsibility to wear them, the insurance company will
say they shouldn't have to pay for the decision of the OP to ride without a
seat belt. I think under the law, negligence with knowledge of possible
consequences would be cited by the insurance company as reasons to not pay.

Just my own interpretation of my own policies. Could be different in other
states or companies.


"revek" wrote in message
...
"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Yup, I'm the one who got into the car. Yes I have health insurance,
but
they won't pay for anything because I was in an auto accident.

That is just bizzare. It shouldn't matter how you got hurt.

I am unable
to pay the medical bills myself. This is why I need legal
representation.

How many lawyers have you talked to? Have you talked to them about
representing you with your insurance provider? You did decide to get
into the car without belt extenders, so I can see why they think you
wouldn't have a case there (and I have to say I agree), but your medical
expenses should be covered regardless of how you came to be injured.
What about the auto accident insurance that was on the rental policy-- I
believe they require it on every rental-- does it also have a medical
cost (liability) provision, and does it cover you as well as the other
vehicle (not applicable in this case since deer don't drive, I know)?

I'm willing to accept partial blame for this simply because I was on
the
road in the first place, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for all of
it.

You should expect that your insurance provider(s) actually hold up their
end of the deal. It's one thing to allow the protection racket to
exist, it's another when it refuses to provide what it claims you pay it
for.

revek





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If that is so, then it was criminally neglegent for the rental company
to refuse an extender. OP wanted to use a seat belt but because of size
was incapable of doing so without an extender, which she says are not
universal-- you have to use one designed for the type of seatbelt snap
used in the car, which varies. Asking for one proves the OP's intent to
comply with the law, but her inability to comply was because of
technical lack-- same realm as disability access. I believe she has a
case. Keep looking for a lawyer Courney.

revek


"Amanda" wrote in message
. com...
I think the fact that the OP wasn't wearing a seat belt is probably
why the
insurance company won't pay for it. If I remember my own policy
right,
medical insurance won't cover car accidents because the auto insurance
is
supposed to do that, as long as the injuries are proven to come from
the
accident. I can definitely see why the auto insurance would refuse to
pay
because I think they can if the injury occured while a crime was being
committed (same goes for the medical insurance). Now since seat belts
are
required under law, they could feasibly use this to refuse to pay (at
least,
that's what their legal department would say). Even though I
personally
HATE insurance companies and think they just LOVE finding ways to not
pay
for what they're supposed to, I can see the point here. Because it
has been
proven that seat belts save lives, they ARE required by law and it's
the
driver's/passenger's responsibility to wear them, the insurance
company will
say they shouldn't have to pay for the decision of the OP to ride
without a
seat belt. I think under the law, negligence with knowledge of
possible
consequences would be cited by the insurance company as reasons to not
pay.

Just my own interpretation of my own policies. Could be different in
other
states or companies.


"revek" wrote in message
...
"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Yup, I'm the one who got into the car. Yes I have health
insurance,
but
they won't pay for anything because I was in an auto accident.

That is just bizzare. It shouldn't matter how you got hurt.

I am unable
to pay the medical bills myself. This is why I need legal
representation.

How many lawyers have you talked to? Have you talked to them about
representing you with your insurance provider? You did decide to
get
into the car without belt extenders, so I can see why they think you
wouldn't have a case there (and I have to say I agree), but your
medical
expenses should be covered regardless of how you came to be injured.
What about the auto accident insurance that was on the rental
policy-- I
believe they require it on every rental-- does it also have a
medical
cost (liability) provision, and does it cover you as well as the
other
vehicle (not applicable in this case since deer don't drive, I
know)?

I'm willing to accept partial blame for this simply because I was
on
the
road in the first place, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for
all of
it.

You should expect that your insurance provider(s) actually hold up
their
end of the deal. It's one thing to allow the protection racket to
exist, it's another when it refuses to provide what it claims you
pay it
for.

revek





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You are right. There is much body shape descrimination. You even see it in
this newsgroup.

Car rental companies should have belt extenders.

You might try to find a lawyer who is physicaly large. They might be
inclined to take the case as charity. Unfortunately, you can't expect to
have a jury of true peers (large folk). The descrimination in society will
show up in court too. You will lose, but maybe someday people will have an
epiphany....

I would agree, but she does have to find a lawyer willing to take the case,
which she hasn't had much luck doing. And then she has to find one willing
to take on her insurance company as well as the rental agency. It's
possible that she could just take on the insurance company and not have to
sue the rental agency, but it will be difficult since insurance companies
are notorious for taking forever in paying undisputed claims, let alone
admitting they're wrong. I would still bet that the insurance company will
still assert the point, made by many here, that she made a negligent choice,
even though the rental company was more negligent, when she got in the car
without the seat belt. Good luck, Courtney, it will take a really good
lawyer, but you should have a case.


"revek" wrote in message
...
If that is so, then it was criminally neglegent for the rental company
to refuse an extender. OP wanted to use a seat belt but because of size
was incapable of doing so without an extender, which she says are not
universal-- you have to use one designed for the type of seatbelt snap
used in the car, which varies. Asking for one proves the OP's intent to
comply with the law, but her inability to comply was because of
technical lack-- same realm as disability access. I believe she has a
case. Keep looking for a lawyer Courney.

revek


"Amanda" wrote in message
. com...
I think the fact that the OP wasn't wearing a seat belt is probably
why the
insurance company won't pay for it. If I remember my own policy
right,
medical insurance won't cover car accidents because the auto insurance
is
supposed to do that, as long as the injuries are proven to come from
the
accident. I can definitely see why the auto insurance would refuse to
pay
because I think they can if the injury occured while a crime was being
committed (same goes for the medical insurance). Now since seat belts
are
required under law, they could feasibly use this to refuse to pay (at
least,
that's what their legal department would say). Even though I
personally
HATE insurance companies and think they just LOVE finding ways to not
pay
for what they're supposed to, I can see the point here. Because it
has been
proven that seat belts save lives, they ARE required by law and it's
the
driver's/passenger's responsibility to wear them, the insurance
company will
say they shouldn't have to pay for the decision of the OP to ride
without a
seat belt. I think under the law, negligence with knowledge of
possible
consequences would be cited by the insurance company as reasons to not
pay.

Just my own interpretation of my own policies. Could be different in
other
states or companies.


"revek" wrote in message
...
"Courtney" wrote in message
.com...
Yup, I'm the one who got into the car. Yes I have health
insurance,
but
they won't pay for anything because I was in an auto accident.

That is just bizzare. It shouldn't matter how you got hurt.

I am unable
to pay the medical bills myself. This is why I need legal
representation.

How many lawyers have you talked to? Have you talked to them about
representing you with your insurance provider? You did decide to
get
into the car without belt extenders, so I can see why they think you
wouldn't have a case there (and I have to say I agree), but your
medical
expenses should be covered regardless of how you came to be injured.
What about the auto accident insurance that was on the rental
policy-- I
believe they require it on every rental-- does it also have a
medical
cost (liability) provision, and does it cover you as well as the
other
vehicle (not applicable in this case since deer don't drive, I
know)?

I'm willing to accept partial blame for this simply because I was
on
the
road in the first place, but I shouldn't be expected to pay for
all of
it.

You should expect that your insurance provider(s) actually hold up
their
end of the deal. It's one thing to allow the protection racket to
exist, it's another when it refuses to provide what it claims you
pay it
for.

revek





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We should rebuild society to fit your shape?

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet

"1. eat less you fat ****
2. exercise more you fat ****"

"Cubit" wrote in message
. com...
You are right. There is much body shape descrimination. You even see it
in
this newsgroup.

Car rental companies should have belt extenders.

You might try to find a lawyer who is physicaly large. They might be
inclined to take the case as charity. Unfortunately, you can't expect to
have a jury of true peers (large folk). The descrimination in society
will
show up in court too. You will lose, but maybe someday people will have
an
epiphany....

Why not? We rebuild society to fit a lot of shapes that aren't the
majority. People are fast to say "the obese can do something about it,
so why should we change anything to suit them. Same thing goes for
people who refuse to learn English. I bet they had that contract for the
car rental in several different languages, but no extender. You can't
have it both ways. If you change society for one segment, you have to
change it for all as far as legal requirements go.

--
Cheri

JC Der Koenig wrote in message ...
We should rebuild society to fit your shape?

--
JC

Lyle's New Ultimate Diet